ATL: PALOMA - Recon Discussion

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ATL: PALOMA - Recon Discussion

#1 Postby bvigal » Wed Nov 05, 2008 1:35 pm

plane enroute, post comments here
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Re: ATL: Invest 93L - Recon Discussion

#2 Postby cycloneye » Wed Nov 05, 2008 2:40 pm

That smfr 50kt is not flagged so is legit.

http://tropicalatlantic.com/recon/URNT15/KNHC/
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#3 Postby CrazyC83 » Wed Nov 05, 2008 2:43 pm

I haven't seen any other high numbers so it may not be representative of the intensity.
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Re: ATL: Invest 93L - Recon Discussion

#4 Postby Dave » Wed Nov 05, 2008 2:44 pm

I double checked that 50 kt sfmr before posting it, wanted to make sure no flags were on it.
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Re: ATL: Invest 93L - Recon Discussion

#5 Postby wxman57 » Wed Nov 05, 2008 2:54 pm

ai9d wrote:I double checked that 50 kt sfmr before posting it, wanted to make sure no flags were on it.


Considering it's double the FL winds, I'd say it's quite suspicious. We have quite a few real-live surface obs around the low and all are in the 15-25 kt range.

Have you also noticed that SFMR winds this year are almost always a good bit higher than FL winds? I think they need to do a good bit more calibration on those instruments. Will be interesting to query the presenters at next spring's hurricane conferences about these data.
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Re: ATL: Invest 93L - Recon Discussion

#6 Postby Dave » Wed Nov 05, 2008 2:59 pm

"Have you also noticed that SFMR winds this year are almost always a good bit higher than FL winds?"

I've seen that every recon mission I've worked. Sure looks like the calibration needs more work.
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Re: ATL: Invest 93L - Recon Discussion

#7 Postby cycloneye » Wed Nov 05, 2008 3:10 pm

48kt smfr is legit,but I suscribe the above comments.
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Re: ATL: Invest 93L - Recon Discussion

#8 Postby wxman57 » Wed Nov 05, 2008 3:14 pm

cycloneye wrote:48kt sfmr is legit,but I subscribe the above comments.


The observation appears to have been in an area of heavy squalls north of the center, but FL winds were only 22 kts. I know when the presenters at last year's AMS tropical conference talked about calibrating the SFMR they flew over buoys with known wind speeds only on days with no rain. Maybe the rain is interfering with the signal?
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Re: ATL: PALOMA - Recon Discussion

#9 Postby pojo » Thu Nov 06, 2008 1:57 pm

wxman57 wrote:
cycloneye wrote:48kt sfmr is legit,but I subscribe the above comments.


The observation appears to have been in an area of heavy squalls north of the center, but FL winds were only 22 kts. I know when the presenters at last year's AMS tropical conference talked about calibrating the SFMR they flew over buoys with known wind speeds only on days with no rain. Maybe the rain is interfering with the signal?


we don't fly calibration flights during the day.
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#10 Postby MiamiensisWx » Thu Nov 06, 2008 9:51 pm

When will the next mission depart?
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#11 Postby Dave » Thu Nov 06, 2008 10:10 pm

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Re: ATL: PALOMA - Recon Discussion

#12 Postby cycloneye » Fri Nov 07, 2008 12:21 pm

Lets see how strong this mission finds Paloma.Plane decends.
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#13 Postby HURAKAN » Fri Nov 07, 2008 12:21 pm

I think it will find a stronger Paloma.
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#14 Postby Dave » Fri Nov 07, 2008 12:24 pm

I'm holding back some on the graphics because of the people still on dialup. A page with too many pics becomes hard for them to download. I'm going for center fixes mainly.
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#15 Postby Just Joshing You » Fri Nov 07, 2008 5:14 pm

What do mesovortices in an eyewall look like on radar?
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#16 Postby Lowpressure » Fri Nov 07, 2008 7:14 pm

Just Joshing You wrote:What do mesovortices in an eyewall look like on radar?

I was thinking the same thing- sounds like a POJO question.
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#17 Postby Just Joshing You » Fri Nov 07, 2008 7:36 pm

I sent Pojo a PM :D
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Re: ATL: PALOMA - Recon Discussion

#18 Postby sevenleft » Fri Nov 07, 2008 7:41 pm

These are mesovortices rotating around inside the eye of Hurricane Ike, as it was making landfall in Galveston.

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Re: ATL: PALOMA - Recon Discussion

#19 Postby cycloneye » Sat Nov 08, 2008 11:25 am

Our friend ai9d has to go soon so who wants to continue posting the NOAA3 obs? I will take the Air Force ones for a while.
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Re: ATL: PALOMA - Recon Discussion

#20 Postby cycloneye » Sat Nov 08, 2008 11:34 am

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