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#21 Postby Extratropical94 » Sun Jul 31, 2011 9:29 am

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Extratropical94 wrote:By the way, if 91L does develop and becomes TD Five, I wonder what was the last occasion that the NHC issued advisories on two depressions with the same number (like Five and Five-E).


Couldn't find one since 2005 where they were both depressions at the same time. Found multiple where they were the same storm at the same time (04L and 04E for example). Dennis/Dora and Emily/Eugene in 2005 and Barry/Barbara in 2007. Can't rule out that I missed some.

Now with the 35kt BT a simultaneous TD5-E/TD5 is not gonna happen.
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Re: EPAC: EUGENE - Tropical Storm

#22 Postby cycloneye » Sun Jul 31, 2011 9:37 am

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TROPICAL STORM EUGENE ADVISORY NUMBER 2
NWS NATIONAL HURRICANE CENTER MIAMI FL EP052011
800 AM PDT SUN JUL 31 2011

...DEPRESSION REACHES TROPICAL STORM STRENGTH...


SUMMARY OF 800 AM PDT...1500 UTC...INFORMATION
----------------------------------------------
LOCATION...11.0N 100.5W
ABOUT 410 MI...660 KM S OF ACAPULCO MEXICO
MAXIMUM SUSTAINED WINDS...40 MPH...65 KM/H
PRESENT MOVEMENT...WNW OR 285 DEGREES AT 10 MPH...17 KM/H
MINIMUM CENTRAL PRESSURE...1004 MB...29.65 INCHES


WATCHES AND WARNINGS
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THERE ARE NO COASTAL WATCHES OR WARNINGS IN EFFECT.


DISCUSSION AND 48-HOUR OUTLOOK
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AT 800 AM PDT...1500 UTC...THE CENTER OF TROPICAL STORM EUGENE WAS
LOCATED NEAR LATITUDE 11.0 NORTH...LONGITUDE 100.5 WEST. EUGENE IS
MOVING TOWARD THE WEST-NORTHWEST NEAR 10 MPH...17 KM/H...AND THIS
GENERAL MOTION IS EXPECTED TO CONTINUE FOR THE NEXT COUPLE OF DAYS.

MAXIMUM SUSTAINED WINDS HAVE INCREASED TO NEAR 40 MPH...65
KM/H...WITH HIGHER GUSTS. SOME STRENGTHENING IS FORECAST DURING
THE NEXT COUPLE OF DAYS.

TROPICAL-STORM-FORCE WINDS EXTEND OUTWARD UP TO 35 MILES...55 KM
FROM THE CENTER.

ESTIMATED MINIMUM CENTRAL PRESSURE IS 1004 MB...29.65 INCHES.


HAZARDS AFFECTING LAND
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NONE


NEXT ADVISORY
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NEXT COMPLETE ADVISORY...200 PM PDT.

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#23 Postby Extratropical94 » Sun Jul 31, 2011 10:01 am

And another storm is born, Hello Eugene!

Previous Eugenes included:
1981: A 50 mph fish storm
1987: A 100 mph category 2 that made landfall S of Manzanillo, MX as a cat. 1 causing 20+ in of rain, three fatalities and thousands of destroyed homes leaving people homeless
1993: A powerful 125 mph cat. 3 major that made landfall in Hawaii (the most recent one to do so) as a depression. Blamed for one death
1999: Another cat. 2, this time with winds of 110 mph, and a fishy one.
2005: A high-end 70 mph tropical storm, coming close to the southern tip of the Baja California peninsula, but never making landfall.
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Re: EPAC: EUGENE - Tropical Storm

#24 Postby cycloneye » Sun Jul 31, 2011 10:06 am

If anyone wants to participate,there is a poll at Talking Tropics forum with the question "Five for Five hurricanes"?

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#25 Postby Cookie » Sun Jul 31, 2011 10:17 am

when did this last happen?
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#26 Postby Hurricanehink » Sun Jul 31, 2011 10:19 am

Cookie wrote:when did this last happen?


1966!
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#27 Postby Yellow Evan » Sun Jul 31, 2011 12:57 pm

Hurricanehink wrote:
Cookie wrote:when did this last happen?


1966!

While the first six named storms became hurricanes, it should be noted that they were four storms that did not reach TS status. Euqene looks decent right now, IIRC.
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Re: EPAC: EUGENE - Tropical Storm

#28 Postby cycloneye » Sun Jul 31, 2011 3:34 pm

TROPICAL STORM EUGENE DISCUSSION NUMBER 3
NWS NATIONAL HURRICANE CENTER MIAMI FL EP052011
200 PM PDT SUN JUL 31 2011

THE SATELLITE PRESENTATION OF EUGENE HAS IMPROVED SINCE THIS
MORNING...WITH THE APPEARANCE OF INCREASED BANDING AND THE
FORMATION OF A RAGGED CENTRAL DENSE OVERCAST. DVORAK SATELLITE
ESTIMATES ARE T2.5 FROM SAB AND TAFB AT 1800 UTC. A TIMELY ASCAT
PASS FROM 1810 UTC SUPPORTS AN INITIAL INTENSITY OF 40 KT.

THE ASCAT PASS WAS HELPFUL IN LOCATING THE CENTER...AND THE INITIAL
MOTION IS ESTIMATED TO BE 280/8...SLIGHTLY TO THE LEFT OF THE
PREVIOUS ESTIMATE. EUGENE REMAINS EMBEDDED IN AN EAST-
SOUTHEASTERLY FLOW SOUTH OF A DEEP-LAYER ANCTICYCLONE ANCHORED OVER
THE SOUTH CENTRAL UNITED STATES AND NORTHERN MEXICO. THIS FEATURE
SHOULD INDUCE A GENERAL WEST-NORTHWESTERWARD TRACK THROUGH THE
FORECAST PERIOD. EXCEPT FOR THE HWRF...THE TRACK GUIDANCE HAS
SHIFTED TO THE LEFT THIS CYCLE...FOLLOWING THE LEAD OF EARLIER RUNS
OF THE UKMET/ECMWF. THE NHC OFFICIAL FORECAST HAS BEEN ADJUSTED IN
THIS DIRECTION AND IS CLOSE TO THE TVCN MODEL CONSENSUS.

UW-CIMSS AND SHIPS SHEAR ANALYSES CONTINUE TO DIAGNOSE MODERATE
EASTERLY SHEAR OVER THE CYCLONE...WHICH IS FORECAST TO PERIST
THROUGH AT LEAST 48 HOURS. THE INTENSITY GUIDANCE FAVORS A GRADUAL
INTENSIFICATION OF THE CYCLONE IN SPITE OF THE SHEAR...AND THE
OFFICIAL NHC INTENSITY FORECAST CALLS FOR EUGENE TO REACH HURRICANE
STRENGTH WITHIN 48 HOURS. AFTER THAT...THE SHEAR IS EXPECTED TO
DECREASE FOR A DAY OR TWO BEFORE EUGENE REACHES PROGRESSIVELY
COOLER WATERS LATE IN THE FORECAST PERIOD...POSSIBLY OFFERING AN
OPPORTUNITY FOR ADDITIONAL INTENSIFICATION BEYOND WHAT IS SHOWN IN
THE OFFICIAL FORECAST. THE INTENSITY FORECAST IS ADJUSTED UPWARD
DUE TO THE SOUTHWARD SHIFT IN THE TRACK AND THE FORECAST OF A
LONGER PERIOD OF LOWER WIND SHEAR BETWEEN 48-96 HR. THIS FORECAST
IS IN BEST AGREEMENT WITH THE IVCN INTENSITY CONSENSUS AND FSSE
MODELS.


FORECAST POSITIONS AND MAX WINDS

INIT 31/2100Z 11.0N 101.1W 40 KT 45 MPH
12H 01/0600Z 11.5N 102.9W 50 KT 60 MPH
24H 01/1800Z 12.2N 104.8W 55 KT 65 MPH
36H 02/0600Z 12.9N 106.6W 60 KT 70 MPH
48H 02/1800Z 13.6N 108.4W 65 KT 75 MPH
72H 03/1800Z 14.5N 111.5W 70 KT 80 MPH
96H 04/1800Z 16.0N 114.5W 65 KT 75 MPH
120H 05/1800Z 17.5N 117.5W 45 KT 50 MPH

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#29 Postby Extratropical94 » Sun Jul 31, 2011 3:42 pm

Maximum wind speed is now predicted to be at 70kt/80mph.
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#30 Postby KWT » Sun Jul 31, 2011 4:17 pm

Looks very likely that its going to be the 5th hurricane, a pretty rare run going on in the EPAC.
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#31 Postby CrazyC83 » Sun Jul 31, 2011 6:59 pm

ASCAT has a low bias so it was probably stronger then. I would put it at 50 kt right now personally.
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#32 Postby somethingfunny » Mon Aug 01, 2011 3:22 am

It's looking really good. Central dense overcast, banding, well organized...it's a little bit sheared from the northeast, but I suspect that were this in the Atlantic a recon flight would have found 70mph winds and Eugene would be almost a hurricane. Of course it's the EPAC, so this is a 45mph 1002mb storm:

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#33 Postby Extratropical94 » Mon Aug 01, 2011 4:18 am

60 mph - 1001 mbar

TROPICAL STORM EUGENE DISCUSSION NUMBER 5
NWS NATIONAL HURRICANE CENTER MIAMI FL EP052011
200 AM PDT MON AUG 01 2011

SINCE THE LAST ADVISORY...CONVECTIVE BANDING ASSOCIATED WITH EUGENE
HAS INCREASED MARKEDLY...AND THE LOW-LEVEL CENTER NOW APPEARS
COMPLETELY EMBEDDED BENEATH THE CENTRAL DENSE OVERCAST. DVORAK
INTENSITY ESTIMATES FROM TAFB AND SAB WERE BOTH 45 KT AT 0000
UTC...BUT THE BANDING HAS INCREASED FURTHER SINCE THAT TIME. THE
ADT ESTIMATE FROM UW-CIMSS IS NOW T3.5 SO THE INITIAL INTENSITY IS
RAISED TO A COMPROMISE OF 50 KT.

THE INITIAL MOTION IS NOW 290/10. A STRONG MID-LEVEL HIGH CENTERED
OVER KANSAS AND OKLAHOMA EXTENDS SOUTH AND SOUTHWEST ACROSS MUCH OF
MEXICO...AND THIS FEATURE IS EXPECTED TO DRIVE EUGENE ON A
CONSISTENT WEST-NORTHWESTWARD TRACK THROUGH AT LEAST THE NEXT 96
HOURS. MYSTERIOUSLY...THE GFDL AND HWRF CONTINUE TO SHOW THE
PORTION OF THE RIDGE OVER THE SOUTHWESTERN UNITED STATES
DISINTEGRATING BY 72 HOURS AND CONSEQUENTLY ALLOW EUGENE TO TURN
NORTHWARD TOWARDS THE MOUTH OF THE GULF OF CALIFORNIA. THE NHC
TRACK FORECAST DISREGARDS THESE MODELS AND IS CLOSE TO A CONSENSUS
OF THE GFS...ECMWF...AND UKMET. THIS NEW FORECAST IS JUST A LITTLE
FASTER THAN THE PREVIOUS ONE FROM 36 TO 72 HOURS BUT COMES BACK IN
LINE BY 120 HOURS.

EUGENE SO FAR HAS BEEN ABLE TO STRENGTHEN WITHIN MODERATE EASTERLY
SHEAR...AND THERE IS NO REASON TO EXPECT ANY IMMEDIATE CHANGE IN
THIS TREND. GRADUAL STRENGTHENING IS ANTICIPATED OVER THE NEXT 72
HOURS WHILE THE CYCLONE REMAINS OVER WARM WATER. THE NEW OFFICIAL
INTENSITY FORECAST IS AT THE UPPER BOUND OF THE GUIDANCE FOR THE
FIRST 24 HOURS GIVEN THE RECENT SHORT-TERM STRENGTHENING TREND AND
IS A BLEND OF THE SHIPS AND LGEM THEREAFTER.

THE 34-KT WIND RADII HAVE BEEN ADJUSTED BASED ON A 0347 UTC ASCAT
PASS.

FORECAST POSITIONS AND MAX WINDS

INIT 01/0900Z 11.6N 103.2W 50 KT 60 MPH
12H 01/1800Z 12.2N 104.7W 55 KT 65 MPH
24H 02/0600Z 12.9N 106.9W 60 KT 70 MPH
36H 02/1800Z 13.6N 108.9W 65 KT 75 MPH
48H 03/0600Z 14.2N 110.7W 65 KT 75 MPH
72H 04/0600Z 15.5N 114.0W 70 KT 80 MPH
96H 05/0600Z 17.0N 117.0W 65 KT 75 MPH
120H 06/0600Z 18.5N 119.5W 45 KT 50 MPH

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Re: EPAC: EUGENE - Tropical Storm

#34 Postby tolakram » Mon Aug 01, 2011 6:48 am

Eugene seems to be having no problem with shear this morning. I wonder if this will make major status?
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#35 Postby HURAKAN » Mon Aug 01, 2011 6:59 am

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Looking very good this morning
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#36 Postby Yellow Evan » Mon Aug 01, 2011 10:07 am

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TCDEP5

TROPICAL STORM EUGENE DISCUSSION NUMBER 6
NWS NATIONAL HURRICANE CENTER MIAMI FL EP052011
800 AM PDT MON AUG 01 2011

EUGENE HAS CONTINUED TO BECOME BETTER ORGANIZED DURING THE LAST
SEVERAL HOURS. A LARGE CYCLONICALLY CURVED BAND WRAPS AROUND A
CENTRAL DENSE OVERCAST OVER THE SOUTHERN AND WESTERN SEMICIRCLES.
IN ADDITION...AN 0853 UTC AMSR-E PASS REVEALED THE FORMATION OF A
MID-LEVEL EYE...DISPLACED ABOUT 20 NM SOUTHWEST OF THE LOW-LEVEL
CENTER. SUBJECTIVE SATELLITE INTENSITY ESTIMATES AT 1200 UTC HAVE
INCREASED TO 3.5...AND 3-HOUR AVERAGE ADT VALUES ARE AT 3.8. BASED
ON THESE ESTIMATES...THE INITIAL INTENSITY IS INCREASED TO 55 KT
FOR THIS ADVISORY.

THE LATEST FIXES SUGGEST THAT EUGENE HAS BEEN MOVING RIGHT OF TRACK
SINCE EARLY THIS MORNING...AND THE INITIAL MOTION IS ESTIMATED TO
BE 295/9. THE MODEL GUIDANCE HAS BECOME FAIRLY TIGHTLY CLUSTERED
SINCE YESTERDAY. MID-LEVEL RIDGING EXTENDING WESTWARD FROM THE
CENTRAL PLAINS INTO THE SUBTROPICAL EASTERN PACIFIC SHOULD GUIDE
EUGENE GENERALLY TOWARD THE WEST-NORTHWEST DURING THE NEXT 48
HOURS. AFTER THAT...THE CYCLONE SHOULD BE APPROACHING A WEAKNESS IN
THE SUBTROPICAL RIDGE BETWEEN 120-130W ASSOCIATED WITH A LONGWAVE
TROUGH OFF THE U.S. WEST COAST. EUGENE SHOULD TURN A BIT TO THE
RIGHT AT THAT POINT AND ITS FORWARD SPEED SHOULD SLOW. THE
OFFICIAL FORECAST IS CLOSE TO THE MIDDLE OF THE GUIDANCE ENVELOPE
AND IS ESSENTIALLY UNCHANGED RELATIVE TO THE PREVIOUS PACKAGE.

MODERATE NORTHEASTERLY SHEAR OVER EUGENE HAS NOT PREVENTED THE
CYCLONE FROM GRADUALLY INTENSIFYING AT A NEAR CLIMATOLOGICAL
RATE OF DEVELOPMENT OF ONE T-NUMBER PER DAY. THERE IS NO REASON TO
BELIEVE THAT A SIMILAR RATE OF DEVELOPMENT WOULD NOT CONTINUE...
WITH THE SHIPS MODEL MAINTAINING THE CURRENT LEVEL OF SHEAR FOR THE
NEXT 48 HOURS. AFTER THAT TIME...A DECREASE IN THE SHEAR COULD
RESULT IN ADDITIONAL INTENSIFICATION BEYOND WHAT THE OFFICIAL
FORECAST INDICATES BEFORE EUGENE REACHES COOLER WATERS. THE
INTENSITY GUIDANCE SHOWS MORE POTENTIAL FOR INTENSIFICATION THIS
CYCLE...WITH THE GFDL MODEL STILL CONTINUING TO FORECAST EUGENE TO
BECOME A MAJOR HURRICANE. THE NEW NHC INTENSITY FORECAST HAS BEEN
ADJUSTED UPWARD...CLOSE TO LGEM...BUT BELOW THE IVCN/ICON MODEL
CONSESUS AIDS.


FORECAST POSITIONS AND MAX WINDS

INIT 01/1500Z 12.3N 103.9W 55 KT 65 MPH
12H 02/0000Z 12.9N 105.6W 65 KT 75 MPH
24H 02/1200Z 13.6N 107.6W 70 KT 80 MPH
36H 03/0000Z 14.3N 109.6W 75 KT 85 MPH
48H 03/1200Z 15.0N 111.3W 80 KT 90 MPH
72H 04/1200Z 16.5N 114.5W 75 KT 85 MPH
96H 05/1200Z 18.0N 117.5W 55 KT 65 MPH
120H 06/1200Z 19.5N 119.5W 35 KT 40 MPH

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Re: EPAC: EUGENE - Tropical Storm

#37 Postby RL3AO » Mon Aug 01, 2011 10:09 am

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Well on its way for being 5/5 with hurricanes this year.
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Re: EPAC: EUGENE - Tropical Storm

#38 Postby Battlebrick » Mon Aug 01, 2011 11:48 am

this will become a hurricane on the next advisory.. based on microwave and imagery.
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#39 Postby RL3AO » Mon Aug 01, 2011 11:52 am

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Re: EPAC: EUGENE - Tropical Storm

#40 Postby Cyclenall » Mon Aug 01, 2011 12:21 pm

Right from the start, Eugene has been impressive. It has great organization and this shear the NHC keeps talking about in the discussions doesn't seem to do anything. They mentioned that the center was displaced at 11:00 am PDT yesterday but its one of those storms that doesn't look like there is anything in its way. I hope it explosively intensifies and the track adjustments to the south keep coming. I estimate it's 60-64 knots, right in line with the Dvorak CI numbers.

What is comical is that there is nearly 140 pages of discussion on Invest 91L which hasn't even formed yet but then Eugene which is nearly a hurricane...there is only 2. In addition, Invest 91L was very close to a TD when what is now Eugene hardly even existed yet. TS Eugene is close to 'cane status now but 91L did nothing during that timeframe!!

Here are the latest numbers:

----- Current Analysis -----
Date : 01 AUG 2011 Time : 161500 UTC
Lat : 12:23:04 N Lon : 104:06:25 W


CI# /Pressure/ Vmax
3.8 / 992.1mb/ 61.0kt



Final T# Adj T# Raw T#
3.7 3.8 3.8


Center Temp : -76.5C Cloud Region Temp : -74.2C

Scene Type : UNIFORM CDO CLOUD REGION

Positioning Method : FORECAST INTERPOLATION

Ocean Basin : EAST PACIFIC
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