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Re: 99L INVEST Atlan...um, I mean Mediterranean Sea:

#41 Postby CrazyC83 » Mon Nov 07, 2011 3:16 pm

bg1 wrote:I looked on this forum and saw "Mediterranean Sea"... now this basin is more active than the Atlantic? This has been a year.

Hurricanehink wrote:I emailed the NHC and got this response.

Thank you for your e-mail.

Despite the "L", Invest 99 is not under the jurisdiction of the National Hurricane Center, as the location of the Invest is not in the range of our ATCF software. The request for an Invest came from the U.S. Navy, which went to the Satellite Analysis Branch for a classification. An Invest simply means that more information on a particular weather system is being requested, and in no way implies there is any threat of tropical cyclone development...which does not occur in the Mediterranean Sea. For more information, I would recommend your contacting the NRL at 831-656-4833.

Best regards,

Dennis Feltgen


So nothing from NHC then, just for confirmation.


That's a letdown. And I was hoping that this would be officially classified.


There is no RSMC responsible for the region, just like with the South Atlantic, so it is all unofficial.
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Re: Mediterranean Sea: 01M NONAME

#42 Postby cycloneye » Mon Nov 07, 2011 3:17 pm

TXMM21 KNES 071819
TCSMED

A. 01M (NONAME)

B. 07/1800Z

C. 41.1N

D. 5.3E

E. THREE/MET-9

F. T2.5/2.5/D1.5/24HRS

G. IR/EIR/SWIR

H. REMARKS...DT=2.5 BASED ON .5 BANDING ON LOG10
SPIRAL. PT=2.5. MET=2.0. FT IS BASED ON DT. DEEP CONVECTION HAS PERSISTED
LONG ENOUGH AROUND THE LOW LEVEL CENTER FOR A TROPICAL CLASSIFICATION.

I. ADDL POSITIONS

NIL


...SCHWARTZ

http://www.ssd.noaa.gov/PS/TROP/DATA/20 ... 0001M.html
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Re: Mediterranean Sea: 01M NONAME

#43 Postby P.K. » Mon Nov 07, 2011 3:20 pm

How cool is this, a TS in the Med.

For the record this is the official warning from Meteo-France.

WOMQ50 LFPW 072004

WARNING ON METAREA 3, METEO-FRANCE
WARNING NR 305 , MONDAY 7 NOVEMBER 2011 AT 2000 UTC
GENERAL SYNOPSIS, MONDAY 7 AT 12 UTC :
LOW 1004 OVER WEST OF SARDAIGNE, MOVING EASTWARD EXPECTED 1006
OVER EAST OF SARDAIGNE BY 08/12.
PROVENCE, WEST OF LIGURE :
CONTINUING TO 09/00 UTC AT LEAST.
EASTERLY 8, AT TIMES 9. SEVERE GUSTS.
CORSE :
FROM 8/03 UTC TO 8/12 UTC.
SOUTH OR SOUTHEAST AT TIMES 8. SEVERE GUSTS.
SARDAIGNE :
CONTINUING TO 8/12 UTC.
SOUTH OR SOUTHWEST LOCALLY 8. SEVERE GUSTS. SEA TEMPORARILY HIGH IN
SOUTH AT FIRST.=
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Re: Mediterranean Sea: 01M NONAME

#44 Postby Hurricanehink » Mon Nov 07, 2011 3:34 pm

P.K. wrote:How cool is this, a TS in the Med.

For the record this is the official warning from Meteo-France.

WOMQ50 LFPW 072004

WARNING ON METAREA 3, METEO-FRANCE
WARNING NR 305 , MONDAY 7 NOVEMBER 2011 AT 2000 UTC
GENERAL SYNOPSIS, MONDAY 7 AT 12 UTC :
LOW 1004 OVER WEST OF SARDAIGNE, MOVING EASTWARD EXPECTED 1006
OVER EAST OF SARDAIGNE BY 08/12.
PROVENCE, WEST OF LIGURE :
CONTINUING TO 09/00 UTC AT LEAST.
EASTERLY 8, AT TIMES 9. SEVERE GUSTS.
CORSE :
FROM 8/03 UTC TO 8/12 UTC.
SOUTH OR SOUTHEAST AT TIMES 8. SEVERE GUSTS.
SARDAIGNE :
CONTINUING TO 8/12 UTC.
SOUTH OR SOUTHWEST LOCALLY 8. SEVERE GUSTS. SEA TEMPORARILY HIGH IN
SOUTH AT FIRST.=


Do you have a link for that? I'm with the Wikipedians who are trying to write on the storm.
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Re: Mediterranean Sea: 01M NONAME

#46 Postby Bad_Hurricane » Mon Nov 07, 2011 4:32 pm

Amazing!!! :woo:
[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ub38Oyhaqhw[/youtube]
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#47 Postby HenkL » Mon Nov 07, 2011 4:43 pm

Dutch ship ("Rotterdam", call-sign PDGS) reporting at 21Z:
wind 38 kt sustained from SSE (160°), pressure 1005.0 hPa
position: 41°36'N 06°06'E

Lyon buoy (61002): 33 kt sustained from NE
position: 42°06'N 04°42'E

Station Cape Cepet (French SE coast): 27 kt sustained from NE, gust 47 kt

Now we have surface observations confirming storm winds
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#48 Postby senorpepr » Mon Nov 07, 2011 5:08 pm

Image

Surface plots from 21Z, including that 38 kt report from the "Rotterdam"...
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Re: Mediterranean Sea: 01M NONAME

#49 Postby Crostorm » Mon Nov 07, 2011 5:38 pm

Image

Here is Ascat image,from two i made one image

http://manati.orbit.nesdis.noaa.gov/dat ... ATData.php
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#50 Postby JonathanBelles » Mon Nov 07, 2011 5:51 pm

I have to argue with the response from Dennis. A tropical cyclone COULD happen in the Mediterranean, just like it COULD happen in the south Atlantic.
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#51 Postby AdamFirst » Mon Nov 07, 2011 6:20 pm

Who here wants to bankroll the new Mediterrainen Hurricane Center? Sicily sounds like a good locale. 8-)
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#52 Postby TheEuropean » Mon Nov 07, 2011 6:40 pm

No word in TWO, why not? Where would NHC put this on their map?
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Re: 99L INVEST Atlan...um, I mean Mediterranean Sea:

#53 Postby DanieleItalyRm » Mon Nov 07, 2011 6:43 pm

Hurricanehink wrote:I emailed the NHC and got this response.

Thank you for your e-mail.

Despite the "L", Invest 99 is not under the jurisdiction of the National Hurricane Center, as the location of the Invest is not in the range of our ATCF software. The request for an Invest came from the U.S. Navy, which went to the Satellite Analysis Branch for a classification. An Invest simply means that more information on a particular weather system is being requested, and in no way implies there is any threat of tropical cyclone development...which does not occur in the Mediterranean Sea. For more information, I would recommend your contacting the NRL at 831-656-4833.
Best regards,
Dennis Feltgen


That's a letdown. This is be ignorance, to deny this to be a highlight always existed.
If you all be an expert at all clear that these are really tropical cyclones as Vince or Grace.
You look 98L in the Atlantic.. not comparable at this storm today.
NHC ignores? no problem. this however remains a minimal evident tropical depression or storm.
You can Dennis Feltgen email please?
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#54 Postby bg1 » Mon Nov 07, 2011 7:03 pm

TheEuropean wrote:No word in TWO, why not? Where would NHC put this on their map?


They probably couldn't track this if they wanted because their software cannot process longitudes east of the meridian.
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#55 Postby AJC3 » Mon Nov 07, 2011 7:10 pm

TheEuropean wrote:No word in TWO, why not? Where would NHC put this on their map?


As mentioned earlier in this thread, it's not in their AOR. The first line of every TWO reads...

"FOR THE NORTH ATLANTIC...CARIBBEAN SEA AND THE GULF OF MEXICO..."

There is no RSMC for the MEDSEA at this time.
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Re: Mediterranean Sea: 01M NONAME

#56 Postby P.K. » Mon Nov 07, 2011 7:36 pm

Up to T3.0.

TXMM21 KNES 080021
TCSMED

A. 01M (NONAME)

B. 08/0000Z

C. 41.4N

D. 5.4E

E. THREE/MET-9

F. T3.0/3.0/D2.5/24HRS

G. IR/EIR/SWIR/SSMIS

H. REMARKS...1930Z SSMIS PASS SUGGESTS AN EYE-LIKE FEATURE TO BE
PRESENT. GT 6/10 BANDING ON LOG10 SPIRAL YIELDS A DT OF 3.0. MET =
2.5 AND PT = 3.0. FT IS BASED ON DT.

I. ADDL POSITIONS

07/1930Z 41.1N 5.5E SSMIS


...GUILLOT
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#57 Postby DanieleItalyRm » Mon Nov 07, 2011 8:12 pm

Crostorm wrote:Image
Here is Ascat image,from two i made one image
http://manati.orbit.nesdis.noaa.gov/dat ... ATData.php

probably this is wind in the morning but not in the evening.
HenkL wrote:Dutch ship ("Rotterdam", call-sign PDGS) reporting at 21Z:
wind 38 kt sustained from SSE (160°), pressure 1005.0 hPa
position: 41°36'N 06°06'E
Lyon buoy (61002): 33 kt sustained from NE
position: 42°06'N 04°42'E
Station Cape Cepet (French SE coast): 27 kt sustained from NE, gust 47 kt

Now we have surface observations confirming storm winds

senorpepr wrote:Image

Surface plots from 21Z, including that 38 kt report from the "Rotterdam"...


As I thought, 40 kts tropcial storm.
Please link for this map?
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#59 Postby Cryomaniac » Mon Nov 07, 2011 8:19 pm

bg1 wrote:
TheEuropean wrote:No word in TWO, why not? Where would NHC put this on their map?


They probably couldn't track this if they wanted because their software cannot process longitudes east of the meridian.


That seems foolish, although I suppose it's not something the coders would have considered when writing the software.

Anyway, this is a very interesting system, even if the NHC can't officially do anything about it.
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#60 Postby CrazyC83 » Mon Nov 07, 2011 9:39 pm

Probably about 50 kt right now given all the data (that 38 kt is 10-min sustained I believe, and may not be fully representative). Based on that report and the winds, the pressure is probably 1000mb.
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