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Re: 99L INVEST Atlan...um, I mean Mediterranean Sea:

#41 Postby Hurricanehink » Mon Nov 07, 2011 2:09 pm

I emailed the NHC and got this response.

Thank you for your e-mail.

Despite the "L", Invest 99 is not under the jurisdiction of the National Hurricane Center, as the location of the Invest is not in the range of our ATCF software. The request for an Invest came from the U.S. Navy, which went to the Satellite Analysis Branch for a classification. An Invest simply means that more information on a particular weather system is being requested, and in no way implies there is any threat of tropical cyclone development...which does not occur in the Mediterranean Sea. For more information, I would recommend your contacting the NRL at 831-656-4833.

Best regards,

Dennis Feltgen


So nothing from NHC then, just for confirmation.
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#42 Postby Nightwatch » Mon Nov 07, 2011 2:17 pm

More freak weather to come for Southern France I guess :eek:
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#43 Postby CrazyC83 » Mon Nov 07, 2011 2:41 pm

Probably about 50 kt at its peak intensity, given that the T2.5 might be a bit low and that it was after peak I would think. I'd go with 40 kt now.

What would a storm of 65 kt or higher that is a tropical cyclone be called there?
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Re: 99L INVEST Atlan...um, I mean Mediterranean Sea:

#44 Postby bg1 » Mon Nov 07, 2011 2:53 pm

I looked on this forum and saw "Mediterranean Sea"... now this basin is more active than the Atlantic? This has been a year.

Hurricanehink wrote:I emailed the NHC and got this response.

Thank you for your e-mail.

Despite the "L", Invest 99 is not under the jurisdiction of the National Hurricane Center, as the location of the Invest is not in the range of our ATCF software. The request for an Invest came from the U.S. Navy, which went to the Satellite Analysis Branch for a classification. An Invest simply means that more information on a particular weather system is being requested, and in no way implies there is any threat of tropical cyclone development...which does not occur in the Mediterranean Sea. For more information, I would recommend your contacting the NRL at 831-656-4833.

Best regards,

Dennis Feltgen


So nothing from NHC then, just for confirmation.


That's a letdown. And I was hoping that this would be officially classified.
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#45 Postby Extratropical94 » Mon Nov 07, 2011 2:59 pm

CrazyC83 wrote:Probably about 50 kt at its peak intensity, given that the T2.5 might be a bit low and that it was after peak I would think. I'd go with 40 kt now.

What would a storm of 65 kt or higher that is a tropical cyclone be called there?


If it is seen as a windstorm, then "uragano" (Italy) or "ouragan" (France).

A tropical system would be a "ciclone tropicale" (Italy) or a "tempête tropicale" (France)
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Re: 99L INVEST Atlan...um, I mean Mediterranean Sea:

#46 Postby CrazyC83 » Mon Nov 07, 2011 3:16 pm

bg1 wrote:I looked on this forum and saw "Mediterranean Sea"... now this basin is more active than the Atlantic? This has been a year.

Hurricanehink wrote:I emailed the NHC and got this response.

Thank you for your e-mail.

Despite the "L", Invest 99 is not under the jurisdiction of the National Hurricane Center, as the location of the Invest is not in the range of our ATCF software. The request for an Invest came from the U.S. Navy, which went to the Satellite Analysis Branch for a classification. An Invest simply means that more information on a particular weather system is being requested, and in no way implies there is any threat of tropical cyclone development...which does not occur in the Mediterranean Sea. For more information, I would recommend your contacting the NRL at 831-656-4833.

Best regards,

Dennis Feltgen


So nothing from NHC then, just for confirmation.


That's a letdown. And I was hoping that this would be officially classified.


There is no RSMC responsible for the region, just like with the South Atlantic, so it is all unofficial.
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Re: Mediterranean Sea: 01M NONAME

#47 Postby cycloneye » Mon Nov 07, 2011 3:17 pm

TXMM21 KNES 071819
TCSMED

A. 01M (NONAME)

B. 07/1800Z

C. 41.1N

D. 5.3E

E. THREE/MET-9

F. T2.5/2.5/D1.5/24HRS

G. IR/EIR/SWIR

H. REMARKS...DT=2.5 BASED ON .5 BANDING ON LOG10
SPIRAL. PT=2.5. MET=2.0. FT IS BASED ON DT. DEEP CONVECTION HAS PERSISTED
LONG ENOUGH AROUND THE LOW LEVEL CENTER FOR A TROPICAL CLASSIFICATION.

I. ADDL POSITIONS

NIL


...SCHWARTZ

http://www.ssd.noaa.gov/PS/TROP/DATA/20 ... 0001M.html
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Re: Mediterranean Sea: 01M NONAME

#48 Postby P.K. » Mon Nov 07, 2011 3:20 pm

How cool is this, a TS in the Med.

For the record this is the official warning from Meteo-France.

WOMQ50 LFPW 072004

WARNING ON METAREA 3, METEO-FRANCE
WARNING NR 305 , MONDAY 7 NOVEMBER 2011 AT 2000 UTC
GENERAL SYNOPSIS, MONDAY 7 AT 12 UTC :
LOW 1004 OVER WEST OF SARDAIGNE, MOVING EASTWARD EXPECTED 1006
OVER EAST OF SARDAIGNE BY 08/12.
PROVENCE, WEST OF LIGURE :
CONTINUING TO 09/00 UTC AT LEAST.
EASTERLY 8, AT TIMES 9. SEVERE GUSTS.
CORSE :
FROM 8/03 UTC TO 8/12 UTC.
SOUTH OR SOUTHEAST AT TIMES 8. SEVERE GUSTS.
SARDAIGNE :
CONTINUING TO 8/12 UTC.
SOUTH OR SOUTHWEST LOCALLY 8. SEVERE GUSTS. SEA TEMPORARILY HIGH IN
SOUTH AT FIRST.=
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Re: Mediterranean Sea: 01M NONAME

#49 Postby Hurricanehink » Mon Nov 07, 2011 3:34 pm

P.K. wrote:How cool is this, a TS in the Med.

For the record this is the official warning from Meteo-France.

WOMQ50 LFPW 072004

WARNING ON METAREA 3, METEO-FRANCE
WARNING NR 305 , MONDAY 7 NOVEMBER 2011 AT 2000 UTC
GENERAL SYNOPSIS, MONDAY 7 AT 12 UTC :
LOW 1004 OVER WEST OF SARDAIGNE, MOVING EASTWARD EXPECTED 1006
OVER EAST OF SARDAIGNE BY 08/12.
PROVENCE, WEST OF LIGURE :
CONTINUING TO 09/00 UTC AT LEAST.
EASTERLY 8, AT TIMES 9. SEVERE GUSTS.
CORSE :
FROM 8/03 UTC TO 8/12 UTC.
SOUTH OR SOUTHEAST AT TIMES 8. SEVERE GUSTS.
SARDAIGNE :
CONTINUING TO 8/12 UTC.
SOUTH OR SOUTHWEST LOCALLY 8. SEVERE GUSTS. SEA TEMPORARILY HIGH IN
SOUTH AT FIRST.=


Do you have a link for that? I'm with the Wikipedians who are trying to write on the storm.
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#51 Postby Bad_Hurricane » Mon Nov 07, 2011 4:32 pm

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#52 Postby HenkL » Mon Nov 07, 2011 4:43 pm

Dutch ship ("Rotterdam", call-sign PDGS) reporting at 21Z:
wind 38 kt sustained from SSE (160°), pressure 1005.0 hPa
position: 41°36'N 06°06'E

Lyon buoy (61002): 33 kt sustained from NE
position: 42°06'N 04°42'E

Station Cape Cepet (French SE coast): 27 kt sustained from NE, gust 47 kt

Now we have surface observations confirming storm winds
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#53 Postby senorpepr » Mon Nov 07, 2011 5:08 pm

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Surface plots from 21Z, including that 38 kt report from the "Rotterdam"...
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Re: Mediterranean Sea: 01M NONAME

#54 Postby Crostorm » Mon Nov 07, 2011 5:38 pm

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Here is Ascat image,from two i made one image

http://manati.orbit.nesdis.noaa.gov/dat ... ATData.php
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#55 Postby JonathanBelles » Mon Nov 07, 2011 5:51 pm

I have to argue with the response from Dennis. A tropical cyclone COULD happen in the Mediterranean, just like it COULD happen in the south Atlantic.
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#56 Postby AdamFirst » Mon Nov 07, 2011 6:20 pm

Who here wants to bankroll the new Mediterrainen Hurricane Center? Sicily sounds like a good locale. 8-)
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#57 Postby TheEuropean » Mon Nov 07, 2011 6:40 pm

No word in TWO, why not? Where would NHC put this on their map?
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Re: 99L INVEST Atlan...um, I mean Mediterranean Sea:

#58 Postby DanieleItalyRm » Mon Nov 07, 2011 6:43 pm

Hurricanehink wrote:I emailed the NHC and got this response.

Thank you for your e-mail.

Despite the "L", Invest 99 is not under the jurisdiction of the National Hurricane Center, as the location of the Invest is not in the range of our ATCF software. The request for an Invest came from the U.S. Navy, which went to the Satellite Analysis Branch for a classification. An Invest simply means that more information on a particular weather system is being requested, and in no way implies there is any threat of tropical cyclone development...which does not occur in the Mediterranean Sea. For more information, I would recommend your contacting the NRL at 831-656-4833.
Best regards,
Dennis Feltgen


That's a letdown. This is be ignorance, to deny this to be a highlight always existed.
If you all be an expert at all clear that these are really tropical cyclones as Vince or Grace.
You look 98L in the Atlantic.. not comparable at this storm today.
NHC ignores? no problem. this however remains a minimal evident tropical depression or storm.
You can Dennis Feltgen email please?
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#59 Postby bg1 » Mon Nov 07, 2011 7:03 pm

TheEuropean wrote:No word in TWO, why not? Where would NHC put this on their map?


They probably couldn't track this if they wanted because their software cannot process longitudes east of the meridian.
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#60 Postby AJC3 » Mon Nov 07, 2011 7:10 pm

TheEuropean wrote:No word in TWO, why not? Where would NHC put this on their map?


As mentioned earlier in this thread, it's not in their AOR. The first line of every TWO reads...

"FOR THE NORTH ATLANTIC...CARIBBEAN SEA AND THE GULF OF MEXICO..."

There is no RSMC for the MEDSEA at this time.
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