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Re: ATL: INVEST 93L - Models

#61 Postby cycloneye » Mon Jul 28, 2014 1:58 pm

It looks like EC is having issues everywhere.


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72-hr West Pac forecast from 12z ECMWF also fails to develop newly numbered TD 11W WMO 850UV+MSLP:
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Re: ATL: INVEST 93L - Models

#62 Postby Riptide » Mon Jul 28, 2014 1:59 pm

The more time goes on, it would seem that ECM is a mid-latitude/polar model. Not surprising considering its origin.
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Re: ATL: INVEST 93L - Models

#63 Postby PTrackerLA » Mon Jul 28, 2014 2:00 pm

Those 12z GFS ensembles are quite interesting. Would seem to indicate a further shift west in the next operational could be coming.
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Re: ATL: INVEST 93L - Models

#64 Postby wxman57 » Mon Jul 28, 2014 2:08 pm

TheStormExpert wrote:SHIPS is going crazy with intensity again I'm assuming.


Remember it's a "Statistical Hurricane Intensity Program" - the key word "statistical". While it does take into consideration wind shear (in a broad sense), it isn't a full dynamic intensity model.
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Re: ATL: INVEST 93L - Models

#65 Postby TheStormExpert » Mon Jul 28, 2014 2:12 pm

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TheStormExpert wrote:SHIPS is going crazy with intensity again I'm assuming.


Remember it's a "Statistical Hurricane Intensity Program" - the key word "statistical". While it does take into consideration wind shear (in a broad sense), it isn't a full dynamic intensity model.

Yeah every system last season that developed out of the MDR it went crazy with the intensity, did the same with TD #2 too.
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#66 Postby gatorcane » Mon Jul 28, 2014 2:17 pm

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#67 Postby floridasun78 » Mon Jul 28, 2014 2:26 pm

i have question for mets in here why do ships alway make system stong ? we saw with td2 that wanted make td2 into hurr never was
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Re: ATL: INVEST 93L - Models

#68 Postby ronjon » Mon Jul 28, 2014 2:26 pm

Interesting that the GFS ensembles almost evenly split between a westerm atlantic recurve and cuba/FL straits solution.
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Re: ATL: INVEST 93L - Models

#69 Postby cycloneye » Mon Jul 28, 2014 2:32 pm

12z GFS Ensemble tracks.

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#70 Postby hurricanekid416 » Mon Jul 28, 2014 2:46 pm

Some gfs ensembles have a track that resembles Ike from 2008
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Re: ATL: INVEST 93L - Models

#71 Postby wxman57 » Mon Jul 28, 2014 2:51 pm

ronjon wrote:Interesting that the GFS ensembles almost evenly split between a westerm atlantic recurve and cuba/FL straits solution.


The members that don't develop it into a closed low don't recurve it.
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#72 Postby torrea40 » Mon Jul 28, 2014 2:52 pm

Well......Out of 20 ensembles of 12z Canadian global ensemble, only a few manage under 1010 hPa for 5-days w/93L
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Re: ATL: INVEST 93L - Models

#73 Postby ronjon » Mon Jul 28, 2014 2:53 pm

Looks like 12z Euro keeps it pretty far south and rams the vorticity into Hispanola in 6 days.

http://mp1.met.psu.edu/~fxg1/ECMWFTROPATL0.5_12z/ecmwfloop.html
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Re: ATL: INVEST 93L - Discussion

#74 Postby JonathanBelles » Mon Jul 28, 2014 2:53 pm

torrea40 wrote:Well......Out of 20 ensembles of 12z Canadian global ensemble, only a few manage under 1010 hPa for 5-days w/93L


Please give credit where credit is due. This was a direct quote from a tweet from Ryan Maue.
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Re: ATL: INVEST 93L - Discussion

#75 Postby torrea40 » Mon Jul 28, 2014 2:57 pm

By: @RyanMaue
Atlantic easterly wave taken by GFS model NE of Antilles / Puerto Rico by weekend, favorable enviro for intens. pic.twitter.com/clXEcCJVR6
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#76 Postby gatorcane » Mon Jul 28, 2014 3:08 pm

12Z GFS 180 hour shear chart. We can see 93L moving NW east of the Bahamas but it seems the GFS is really bring down the shear in the Caribbean (and all of the tropical Atlantic for that matter) starting around 1 week from now and by 240 hours conditions look favorable across the Caribbean.

Note: models do have a tough time predicting shear that far in advance:

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ATL: INVEST 93L - Discussion

#77 Postby Frank2 » Mon Jul 28, 2014 3:09 pm

FYI - It's very possible that based on the current location and timing when it moved off Africa, the second disturbance possibly contributed to the Air Algerie accident...
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#78 Postby RL3AO » Mon Jul 28, 2014 3:10 pm

gatorcane wrote:12Z GFS 180 hour shear chart. We can see 93L moving NW east of the Bahamas but it seems the GFS is really bring down the shear in the Caribbean starting around 1 week from now and by 240 hours conditions look favorable across the Caribbean.


Noticed that yesterday. Something worth watching as we enter August.
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Re: ATL: INVEST 93L - Models

#79 Postby Blown Away » Mon Jul 28, 2014 3:19 pm

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12z Euro... Develops 93L east of the Leewards then hits Hispaniola head on and remnants come out on the other side in the Bahamas...
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Re: ATL: INVEST 93L - Models

#80 Postby Blown Away » Mon Jul 28, 2014 3:30 pm

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18z... Missing The Islands...

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18z... Intensity Going Crazy... :eek:
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