ATL: EDOUARD - Post-Tropical - Discussion

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Re: ATL: EDOUARD - Hurricane - Discussion

#281 Postby supercane4867 » Mon Sep 15, 2014 6:17 pm

Hammy wrote:
supercane4867 wrote:CI# /Pressure/ Vmax
5.6 / 955.9mb/104.6kt

Final T# Adj T# Raw T#


Good chance of upgrade tonight based on that?

Still waiting on subjective numbers from SAB and TAFB. I guess both will have T5.5s which fully support an upgrade
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Re: ATL: EDOUARD - Hurricane - Discussion

#282 Postby Ntxw » Mon Sep 15, 2014 6:48 pm

ADT is very close. Even though dvorak doesn't portray as well, the eye is very warm.

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ADVANCED DVORAK TECHNIQUE
ADT-Version 8.2.1
Tropical Cyclone Intensity Algorithm

----- Current Analysis -----
Date : 15 SEP 2014 Time : 224500 UTC
Lat : 28:23:30 N Lon : 56:25:00 W


CI# /Pressure/ Vmax
5.6 / 955.8mb/104.6kt


Final T# Adj T# Raw T#
5.5 5.6 5.6


Estimated radius of max. wind based on IR : 32 km

Center Temp : +12.6C Cloud Region Temp : -58.9C

Scene Type : EYE

Positioning Method : RING/SPIRAL COMBINATION

Ocean Basin : ATLANTIC
Dvorak CI > MSLP Conversion Used : ATLANTIC

Tno/CI Rules : Constraint Limits : NO LIMIT
Weakening Flag : ON
Rapid Dissipation Flag : OFF

C/K/Z MSLP Estimate Inputs :
- Average 34 knot radii : 140km
- Environmental MSLP : 1016mb

Satellite Name : GOES13
Satellite Viewing Angle : 38.9 degrees
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Re: ATL: EDOUARD - Hurricane - Discussion

#283 Postby Hammy » Mon Sep 15, 2014 6:54 pm

Something I'm wondering, what are the flags exactly and how to they work as far as the classifications?
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#284 Postby CrazyC83 » Mon Sep 15, 2014 6:55 pm

I'd want to see 5.5's for sure before upgrading. The Recon data did not support a major hurricane, and the ADT has barely budged. If someone still has a 5.0 then I would stick to 95 kt for now.
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Re: ATL: EDOUARD - Hurricane - Discussion

#285 Postby Ntxw » Mon Sep 15, 2014 7:05 pm

Hammy wrote:Something I'm wondering, what are the flags exactly and how to they work as far as the classifications?


If the readings are weaker than previous readings then you'll see them ON. Doesn't necessarily mean it's going to rapidly decrease just that it's not as intense as when it was at it's peak in a previous reading. If it goes back above, they'll go OFF.
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Re: ATL: EDOUARD - Hurricane - Discussion

#286 Postby supercane4867 » Mon Sep 15, 2014 7:23 pm

Stays at T5.0

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TXNT21 KNES 160001
TCSNTL

A. 06L (EDOUARD)

B. 15/2345Z

C. 28.5N

D. 56.6W

E. ONE/GOES-E

F. T5.0/5.0/D0.5/24HRS

G. IR/EIR

H. REMARKS...SYSTEM HAS SLOWLY DEVELOPED WITH DT=5.0 BASED ON WMG EYE
EMBEDDED IN MG AND SURROUNDED BY LG. WITH STONGEST CONVECTION IN SE
QUADRANT. MET=5.0 ON SLOW CURVE AND PAT=5.0. FT IS BASED ON DT.

I. ADDL POSITIONS

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#287 Postby Yellow Evan » Mon Sep 15, 2014 7:25 pm

20140915 2345 28.5 56.6 T5.0/5.0 06L EDOUARD
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#288 Postby CrazyC83 » Mon Sep 15, 2014 7:25 pm

No basis at this time for an upgrade. I say leave it at 95 kt right now.
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Re: ATL: EDOUARD - Hurricane - Discussion

#289 Postby cycloneye » Mon Sep 15, 2014 7:27 pm

00z Best Track stays at 95kts.

AL, 06, 2014091600, , BEST, 0, 286N, 566W, 95, 963, HU
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Re: ATL: EDOUARD - Hurricane - Discussion

#290 Postby supercane4867 » Mon Sep 15, 2014 7:29 pm

It really needs colder cloud tops on the western side

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Re: ATL: EDOUARD - Hurricane - Discussion

#291 Postby tolakram » Mon Sep 15, 2014 7:40 pm

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#292 Postby Hammy » Mon Sep 15, 2014 8:10 pm

As with the last several days it's not looking as good post-evening as it did earlier in the day, so probably another leveling off in intensity for about the next 12 hours.
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#293 Postby galaxy401 » Mon Sep 15, 2014 8:16 pm

Hammy wrote:As with the last several days it's not looking as good post-evening as it did earlier in the day, so probably another leveling off in intensity for about the next 12 hours.


Most likely due to D-Min.
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Re: ATL: EDOUARD - Hurricane - Discussion

#294 Postby supercane4867 » Mon Sep 15, 2014 8:52 pm

Based on overall satellite trend there's a decent chance for an upgrade at 11pm. The eye is almost perfect and continues to warm.

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#295 Postby TropicalAnalystwx13 » Mon Sep 15, 2014 9:15 pm

Hammy wrote:As with the last several days it's not looking as good post-evening as it did earlier in the day, so probably another leveling off in intensity for about the next 12 hours.

The eye is as warm as it's ever been, and core convection has been slowly cooling. If anything, Edouard is more symmetric than earlier. Why are you being such a pessimist with this storm?
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#296 Postby Hammy » Mon Sep 15, 2014 9:19 pm

TropicalAnalystwx13 wrote:
Hammy wrote:As with the last several days it's not looking as good post-evening as it did earlier in the day, so probably another leveling off in intensity for about the next 12 hours.

The eye is as warm as it's ever been, and core convection has been slowly cooling. If anything, Edouard is more symmetric than earlier. Why are you being such a pessimist with this storm?


It's not pessimistic: every night for about the last 4-5 nights, intensity has leveled off and resumed in the morning, and seems to be doing the same tonight, especially considering the western half of the circulation has been warming. As someone else pointed out it is likely diurnal cycle, which hadn't occurred to me as the cause.
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#297 Postby TheStormExpert » Mon Sep 15, 2014 9:24 pm

:uarrow: That rather large eye too should really limit it's peak intensity IMO. A minimal Cat.3 seems most likely at this point unless something changes.
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Re: ATL: EDOUARD - Hurricane - Discussion

#298 Postby supercane4867 » Mon Sep 15, 2014 9:35 pm

That eye looks only slightly large to me and is certainly not capable to cause significant limitations on its potential

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Typhoon Nabi(2005) reached Cat.5 intensity with eye diameter over 100km

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Re: ATL: EDOUARD - Hurricane - Discussion

#299 Postby cycloneye » Mon Sep 15, 2014 9:37 pm

BULLETIN
HURRICANE EDOUARD ADVISORY NUMBER 19
NWS NATIONAL HURRICANE CENTER MIAMI FL AL062014
1100 PM AST MON SEP 15 2014

...EDOUARD TURNING TOWARD THE NORTH-NORTHWEST...
...FORECAST TO BECOME A MAJOR HURRICANE ON TUESDAY...


SUMMARY OF 1100 PM AST...0300 UTC...INFORMATION
-----------------------------------------------
LOCATION...29.0N 56.9W
ABOUT 520 MI...840 KM ESE OF BERMUDA
MAXIMUM SUSTAINED WINDS...110 MPH...175 KM/H
PRESENT MOVEMENT...NNW OR 335 DEGREES AT 13 MPH...20 KM/H
MINIMUM CENTRAL PRESSURE...963 MB...28.44 INCHES



HURRICANE EDOUARD DISCUSSION NUMBER 19
NWS NATIONAL HURRICANE CENTER MIAMI FL AL062014
1100 PM AST MON SEP 15 2014

Edouard has not strengthened further. While the eye has become
somewhat better defined and warmer since the last advisory, deep
convection in the central dense overcast is not quite as cold. The
intensification phase that the cyclone was experiencing earlier may
have been interrupted by 15-20 kt of southeasterly shear as analyzed
by the SHIPS model output and UW-CIMSS analyses. Dvorak intensity
estimates remain a consensus T5.0/90 kt from TAFB and SAB, while
UW-CIMSS CI values are around T5.6/105kt. A blend of these data is
used to hold the initial intensity at 95 kt.

Edouard still has another 24-36 hours to intensify. Moderately
strong southeasterly shear, resulting from the flow between
a low to the southwest and a high to the east at upper levels, is
forecast to decrease as Edouard nears its point of recurvature.
Near and immediately after that time, the shear and motion vectors
should align, which tends to favor more symmetric convection. These
favorable factors, despite gradually cooler waters beneath the
cyclone, should allow Edouard to reach major hurricane status.
Drastically cooler waters and a substantial increase in
southwesterly shear beyond 48 hours suggest that a rapid decay of
the cyclone should occur by that time. Interaction with a
baroclinic zone in 2-3 days should cause the beginning of
extratropical transition, but this process is expected to become
interrupted when the cyclone shears apart and outruns this weather
system. Edouard is likely to become a post-tropical cyclone in 96
hours, if not slightly sooner, and gradually spin down over the
northeastern Atlantic. The NHC wind speed forecast is the same as
the previous one through 48 hours and is above all of the intensity
guidance. The forecast is lowered relative to the last advisory
after that time and is near the multi-model consensus IVCN.

Edouard has recently turned north-northwestward and the initial
motion estimate is now 335/11. The track guidance remains in
excellent agreement through 72 hours. The cyclone is expected to
turn northward in 12-18 hours when it rounds the western periphery
of a subtropical ridge. An acceleration toward the northeast, and
then east-northeast, is expected beyond 24 hours as Edouard is
captured by a relatively fast-paced westerly flow over the north
Atlantic. Near the end of the forecast period, the increasingly
shallow vortex should turn eastward and southeastward within the
flow on the west side of a deep-layer low over the northeast
Atlantic. The track guidance has shifted noticeably to the left on
this cycle. However, to maintain continuity, the new NHC track
forecast is only nudged to the left of the previous one, and lies on
the far right side of the guidance envelope.


FORECAST POSITIONS AND MAX WINDS

INIT 16/0300Z 29.0N 56.9W 95 KT 110 MPH
12H 16/1200Z 30.5N 57.3W 100 KT 115 MPH
24H 17/0000Z 32.8N 56.6W 105 KT 120 MPH
36H 17/1200Z 35.5N 54.3W 95 KT 110 MPH
48H 18/0000Z 38.1N 50.4W 80 KT 90 MPH
72H 19/0000Z 40.9N 41.3W 60 KT 70 MPH
96H 20/0000Z 40.0N 36.0W 45 KT 50 MPH...POST-TROPICAL
120H 21/0000Z 38.6N 32.3W 35 KT 40 MPH...POST-TROPICAL

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#300 Postby Hammy » Mon Sep 15, 2014 10:37 pm

Looks like the outflow is beginning to reestablish to the east once again, as the high clouds are being forced south instead of coming from the east.
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