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Re: WPAC: USAGI - Typhoon

#201 Postby xtyphooncyclonex » Fri Sep 20, 2013 8:57 am

dexterlabio wrote:there are unusually strong gusts outside our house here in Manila. I wonder if this is in any way related to Usagi's outer spiral bands...

I actually don't hate it. The whole day it was dark but there were no rains. This is an ideal 'storm' weather, just to make people feel chilly and winds to make the laundry dry fast. :lol: But I know the situation farther north of Luzon is turning bad.

Exactly the same thing in Cebu, except that there was also a thunderstorm.
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Re: WPAC: USAGI - Typhoon

#202 Postby euro6208 » Fri Sep 20, 2013 9:56 am

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/asia/hong-kong-braced-for-strongest-storm-on-earth-as-180mph-monster-supertyphoon-usagi-gains-strength-over-the-pacific-8829408.html

Hong Kong braced for 'strongest storm on earth' as 180mph monster Super-Typhoon Usagi gains strength over the Pacific
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Re: WPAC: USAGI - Typhoon

#203 Postby supercane4867 » Fri Sep 20, 2013 9:59 am

Calm down...Usagi will not be anywhere near its current intensity when reaching HK
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Re: WPAC: USAGI - Typhoon

#204 Postby euro6208 » Fri Sep 20, 2013 10:04 am

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Maximum total accumulation: 1122 mm (over the duration of the cyclone)

Latest rainfall statistics, total accummulation (Records found: 14)

Date (UTC) Maximum rain rate (mm/6h) Maximum rain rate (mm/h)
20/09/2013 00:00 257 43
19/09/2013 18:00 269 45
19/09/2013 12:00 269 45
19/09/2013 06:00 187 31
19/09/2013 00:00 191 32
18/09/2013 18:00 205 34
18/09/2013 12:00 197 33
18/09/2013 06:00 209 35
18/09/2013 00:00 209 35
17/09/2013 18:00 209 35
17/09/2013 12:00 209 35
17/09/2013 06:00 209 35
17/09/2013 00:00 209 35
16/09/2013 18:00 209 35


impressive...
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Re: WPAC: USAGI - Typhoon

#205 Postby supercane4867 » Fri Sep 20, 2013 10:05 am

SouthDadeFish wrote:Outer eyewall has formed:
http://img818.imageshack.us/img818/624/mfqx.jpg
We will probably see the inner eyewall get replaced by the larger outer eyewall over the next 24-48 hours.

Classic EWRC there, the question is will this process get disrupt by high terrain on Taiwan and cause a large decrease in intensity
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Re: WPAC: USAGI - Typhoon

#206 Postby euro6208 » Fri Sep 20, 2013 10:15 am

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WTPN32 PGTW 201500
MSGID/GENADMIN/JOINT TYPHOON WRNCEN PEARL HARBOR HI//
SUBJ/TROPICAL CYCLONE WARNING//
RMKS/
1. SUPER TYPHOON 17W (USAGI) WARNING NR 016
01 ACTIVE TROPICAL CYCLONE IN NORTHWESTPAC
MAX SUSTAINED WINDS BASED ON ONE-MINUTE AVERAGE
WIND RADII VALID OVER OPEN WATER ONLY
---
WARNING POSITION:
201200Z --- NEAR 20.1N 123.7E
MOVEMENT PAST SIX HOURS - 295 DEGREES AT 09 KTS
POSITION ACCURATE TO WITHIN 020 NM
POSITION BASED ON EYE FIXED BY SATELLITE
PRESENT WIND DISTRIBUTION:
MAX SUSTAINED WINDS - 130 KT, GUSTS 160 KT
WIND RADII VALID OVER OPEN WATER ONLY
RADIUS OF 064 KT WINDS - 050 NM NORTHEAST QUADRANT
050 NM SOUTHEAST QUADRANT
050 NM SOUTHWEST QUADRANT
050 NM NORTHWEST QUADRANT
RADIUS OF 050 KT WINDS - 080 NM NORTHEAST QUADRANT
080 NM SOUTHEAST QUADRANT
080 NM SOUTHWEST QUADRANT
080 NM NORTHWEST QUADRANT
RADIUS OF 034 KT WINDS - 120 NM NORTHEAST QUADRANT
110 NM SOUTHEAST QUADRANT
110 NM SOUTHWEST QUADRANT
120 NM NORTHWEST QUADRANT
REPEAT POSIT: 20.1N 123.7E
---
FORECASTS:
12 HRS, VALID AT:
210000Z --- 20.8N 121.6E
MAX SUSTAINED WINDS - 120 KT, GUSTS 145 KT
WIND RADII VALID OVER OPEN WATER ONLY
RADIUS OF 064 KT WINDS - 045 NM NORTHEAST QUADRANT
045 NM SOUTHEAST QUADRANT
045 NM SOUTHWEST QUADRANT
045 NM NORTHWEST QUADRANT
RADIUS OF 050 KT WINDS - 075 NM NORTHEAST QUADRANT
075 NM SOUTHEAST QUADRANT
075 NM SOUTHWEST QUADRANT
075 NM NORTHWEST QUADRANT
RADIUS OF 034 KT WINDS - 125 NM NORTHEAST QUADRANT
120 NM SOUTHEAST QUADRANT
120 NM SOUTHWEST QUADRANT
130 NM NORTHWEST QUADRANT
VECTOR TO 24 HR POSIT: 285 DEG/ 10 KTS
---
24 HRS, VALID AT:
211200Z --- 21.4N 119.5E
MAX SUSTAINED WINDS - 110 KT, GUSTS 135 KT
WIND RADII VALID OVER OPEN WATER ONLY
RADIUS OF 064 KT WINDS - 045 NM NORTHEAST QUADRANT
040 NM SOUTHEAST QUADRANT
040 NM SOUTHWEST QUADRANT
045 NM NORTHWEST QUADRANT
RADIUS OF 050 KT WINDS - 075 NM NORTHEAST QUADRANT
075 NM SOUTHEAST QUADRANT
075 NM SOUTHWEST QUADRANT
075 NM NORTHWEST QUADRANT
RADIUS OF 034 KT WINDS - 130 NM NORTHEAST QUADRANT
125 NM SOUTHEAST QUADRANT
125 NM SOUTHWEST QUADRANT
135 NM NORTHWEST QUADRANT
VECTOR TO 36 HR POSIT: 285 DEG/ 11 KTS
---
36 HRS, VALID AT:
220000Z --- 21.9N 117.1E
MAX SUSTAINED WINDS - 095 KT, GUSTS 115 KT
WIND RADII VALID OVER OPEN WATER ONLY
RADIUS OF 064 KT WINDS - 040 NM NORTHEAST QUADRANT
035 NM SOUTHEAST QUADRANT
040 NM SOUTHWEST QUADRANT
040 NM NORTHWEST QUADRANT
RADIUS OF 050 KT WINDS - 065 NM NORTHEAST QUADRANT
065 NM SOUTHEAST QUADRANT
065 NM SOUTHWEST QUADRANT
070 NM NORTHWEST QUADRANT
RADIUS OF 034 KT WINDS - 130 NM NORTHEAST QUADRANT
125 NM SOUTHEAST QUADRANT
125 NM SOUTHWEST QUADRANT
135 NM NORTHWEST QUADRANT
VECTOR TO 48 HR POSIT: 280 DEG/ 11 KTS
---
EXTENDED OUTLOOK:
48 HRS, VALID AT:
221200Z --- 22.2N 114.7E
MAX SUSTAINED WINDS - 085 KT, GUSTS 105 KT
WIND RADII VALID OVER OPEN WATER ONLY
RADIUS OF 064 KT WINDS - 035 NM NORTHEAST QUADRANT
030 NM SOUTHEAST QUADRANT
035 NM SOUTHWEST QUADRANT
035 NM NORTHWEST QUADRANT
RADIUS OF 050 KT WINDS - 060 NM NORTHEAST QUADRANT
060 NM SOUTHEAST QUADRANT
060 NM SOUTHWEST QUADRANT
060 NM NORTHWEST QUADRANT
RADIUS OF 034 KT WINDS - 130 NM NORTHEAST QUADRANT
120 NM SOUTHEAST QUADRANT
125 NM SOUTHWEST QUADRANT
135 NM NORTHWEST QUADRANT
VECTOR TO 72 HR POSIT: 270 DEG/ 11 KTS
---
72 HRS, VALID AT:
231200Z --- 22.0N 110.1E
MAX SUSTAINED WINDS - 055 KT, GUSTS 070 KT
WIND RADII VALID OVER OPEN WATER ONLY
VECTOR TO 96 HR POSIT: 260 DEG/ 10 KTS
---
LONG RANGE OUTLOOK:
---
96 HRS, VALID AT:
241200Z --- 21.3N 106.0E
MAX SUSTAINED WINDS - 030 KT, GUSTS 040 KT
WIND RADII VALID OVER OPEN WATER ONLY
DISSIPATING AS A SIGNIFICANT TROPICAL CYCLONE OVER LAND
VECTOR TO 120 HR POSIT: 235 DEG/ 08 KTS
---
120 HRS, VALID AT:
251200Z --- 19.4N 103.1E
MAX SUSTAINED WINDS - 020 KT, GUSTS 030 KT
WIND RADII VALID OVER OPEN WATER ONLY
DISSIPATED AS A SIGNIFICANT TROPICAL CYCLONE OVER LAND
---
REMARKS:
201500Z POSITION NEAR 20.3N 123.2E.
SUPER TYPHOON 17W (USAGI), LOCATED APPROXIMATELY 324 NM SOUTH-
SOUTHEAST OF TAIPEI, TAIWAN, HAS TRACKED WEST-NORTHWESTWARD
AT 09 KNOTS OVER THE PAST SIX HOURS. MAXIMUM SIGNIFICANT
WAVE HEIGHT AT 201200Z IS 48 FEET. NEXT WARNINGS AT
202100Z, 210300Z, 210900Z AND 211500Z.//
NNNN


WDPN32 PGTW 201500
MSGID/GENADMIN/JOINT TYPHOON WRNCEN PEARL HARBOR HI//
SUBJ/PROGNOSTIC REASONING FOR SUPER TYPHOON 17W (USAGI) WARNING NR
16//
RMKS//
1. FOR METEOROLOGISTS.
2. 6 HOUR SUMMARY AND ANALYSIS.
SUPER TYPHOON 17W (USAGI), LOCATED APPROXIMATELY 324 NM SOUTH-
SOUTHEAST OF TAIPEI, TAIWAN, HAS TRACKED WEST-NORTHWESTWARD AT 09
KNOTS OVER THE PAST SIX HOURS. DESPITE MAINTAINING A 15-NM EYE,
ANIMATED INFRARED SATELLITE IMAGERY INDICATES THAT STY 17W HAS
CONTINUED TO WEAKEN OVER THE PAST SIX HOURS WITH SIGNIFICANT DECAY
OF DEEP CONVECTION OVER THE NORTHERN SEMI-CIRCLE. A 200951Z SSMIS 37
GHZ IMAGE CLEARLY SHOWS AN EYEWALL REPLACEMENT CYCLE (ERC) OCCURRING
WITH AN ERODING INNER EYEWALL AND CONCENTRIC OUTER EYEWALL. ANIMATED
WATER VAPOR IMAGERY CONTINUES TO DEPICT A FAVORABLE ENVIRONMENT WITH
RADIAL OUTFLOW. THERE IS HIGH CONFIDENCE IN THE INITIAL POSITION
BASED ON THE EYE IN IMAGERY. THE INITIAL INTENSITY IS ASSESSED AT
130 KNOTS BASED ON DVORAK FINAL-T ESTIMATES OF 127 KNOTS FROM ALL
AGENCIES. STY 17W IS TRACKING NORTHWESTWARD ALONG THE SOUTHERN
PERIPHERY OF THE SUBTROPICAL RIDGE (STR) THAT EXTENDS FROM CENTRAL
CHINA INTO THE EAST CHINA SEA. THE 20/00Z 500MB ANALYSIS CONTINUES
TO INDICATE A STRONG, EAST-WEST ORIENTED STR ENTRENCHED NORTH OF THE
SYSTEM WITH ZONAL FLOW OVER NORTHEAST ASIA.
3. FORECAST REASONING.
A. NO CHANGE FROM THE PREVIOUS PROGNOSTIC REASONING MESSAGE.
B. STY 17W IS FORECAST TO TURN WEST-NORTHWESTWARD BY TAU 12 AS
THE SYSTEM TRACKS UNDER THE STEERING INFLUENCE OF THE EAST-
WEST ORIENTED STR. THE STR IS EXPECTED TO MAINTAIN THROUGHOUT THE
FORECAST PERIOD AND WILL DRIVE THE SYSTEM WESTWARD AT 10 TO 12 KNOTS
TRACK SPEED THROUGH TAU 72. DYNAMIC GUIDANCE REMAINS IN GOOD
AGREEMENT, THEREFORE, THERE IS HIGH CONFIDENCE IN THE JTWC FORECAST.

STY 17W IS FORECAST TO WEAKEN INITIALLY DUE TO THE ERC BUT WILL
CONTINUE TO WEAKEN AFTER TAU 12 AS IT BEGINS TO INTERACT WITH
TAIWAN. THE SYSTEM IS UNLIKELY TO RE-INTENSIFY OVER THE SOUTH CHINA
SEA DUE TO LAND INTERACTION AND DECREASING OCEAN HEAT CONTENT. STY
17W IS FORECAST TO MAKE LANDFALL NEAR HONG KONG BY TAU 54. THE
INTENSITY FORECAST IS SUPPORTED BY THE STIPS GUIDANCE.
C. IN THE EXTENDED TAUS, DYNAMIC MODEL GUIDANCE REMAINS IN GOOD
AGREEMENT, THEREFORE, THERE IS HIGH CONFIDENCE IN THE JTWC EXTENDED
FORECAST TRACK. STY 17W SHOULD WEAKEN QUICKLY AS IT TRACKS OVER
SOUTHERN CHINA AND IS EXPECTED TO DISSIPATE BY TAU 120.//
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Re: WPAC: USAGI - Typhoon

#207 Postby mrbagyo » Fri Sep 20, 2013 10:37 am

Hong Kong is in great peril. let's see if Usagi can upstage Typhoon Wanda (1962)...
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#208 Postby madness » Fri Sep 20, 2013 10:46 am

Based on the JTWC forecast I am forced to agree that Hong Kong is facing the worst threat since 1962.

To be blunt, JTWC have forecast the eye to hit one of the most densely populated cities in the world. If this happens the Hong Kong Observatory would issue signal 10 and there would be damage in the city.

1-min sustained winds of 85KT and 10-sec gusts of 105KT would cause significant problems and Hong Kong would pass through the centre, probably taking about 16 hours before HKO could downgrade to signal 3

Fingers crossed this doesn't happen, but it is possible. The last 6 JTWC updates have had Usagi dangerously close to Hong Kong.
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Re: WPAC: USAGI - Typhoon

#209 Postby euro6208 » Fri Sep 20, 2013 11:07 am

OT:

here are some interesting stats from the super active 1962 season...

Tropical depressions 39
Total storms 30
Typhoons 23
Major Typhoons 12
-four cat 3
-three cat 4
-five cat 5
-2 160 knot Super Typhoons...
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#210 Postby mrbagyo » Fri Sep 20, 2013 11:17 am

another classic EWRC nearing completion...larger portion of Taiwan will feel the strong winds of Usagi due to the increased size of its eyewall
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#211 Postby vrif » Fri Sep 20, 2013 11:21 am

RL3AO wrote:I'm not an expert in Hong Kong geography, but I can't imagine how surge isn't a serious threat here.


Storm surge would be the least of my worries for HK because their protection system is adequate in holding back the water. I would be more concerned on flooding due to rain, and damage due to wind.

Talking with friends in HK, they are taking the storm in strides.
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#212 Postby euro6208 » Fri Sep 20, 2013 11:23 am

madness wrote:Based on the JTWC forecast I am forced to agree that Hong Kong is facing the worst threat since 1962.

To be blunt, JTWC have forecast the eye to hit one of the most densely populated cities in the world. If this happens the Hong Kong Observatory would issue signal 10 and there would be damage in the city.

1-min sustained winds of 85KT and 10-sec gusts of 105KT would cause significant problems and Hong Kong would pass through the centre, probably taking about 16 hours before HKO could downgrade to signal 3

Fingers crossed this doesn't happen, but it is possible. The last 6 JTWC updates have had Usagi dangerously close to Hong Kong.


jtwc seems confident in Usagi weakening due to land interaction from Taiwan and then combined with lowering SST and TCHP as Usagi nears Hong Kong. I am not so sure if it will decrease as quickly as they depict. maybe could ingest dry air from mainland China, but if it's core manages to completely miss Taiwan and shoot the gap it could easily maintain CAT 3 status, maybe even higher.

So 940 MB CAT 3 still very possible...

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you can even see that area east of luzon where usagi truly sucked all the energy from the ocean...
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Re: WPAC: USAGI - Typhoon

#213 Postby euro6208 » Fri Sep 20, 2013 11:39 am

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eye of usagi creeping closer to taiwan...
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#214 Postby mrbagyo » Fri Sep 20, 2013 11:45 am

from CIMSS satellite blog :darrow:
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http://cimss.ssec.wisc.edu/goes/blog/
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#215 Postby madness » Fri Sep 20, 2013 11:48 am

If 940HPa was recorded at Hong Kong there would be considerable damage in the city, this would even blow out windows in some of the skyscrapers.

It appears that JMA are forecasting higher intensities at landfall with the track slightly further east, possibly far enough away to avoid the eyewall at Hong Kong
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#216 Postby supercane4867 » Fri Sep 20, 2013 12:44 pm

Heading for its closest approach on Taiwan while new eyewall become apparent on IR

Should be there soon after sunrise

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#217 Postby cycloneye » Fri Sep 20, 2013 4:05 pm

WDPN32 PGTW 202100
MSGID/GENADMIN/JOINT TYPHOON WRNCEN PEARL HARBOR HI//
SUBJ/PROGNOSTIC REASONING FOR SUPER TYPHOON 17W (USAGI) WARNING NR
17//
RMKS/
1. FOR METEOROLOGISTS.
2. 6 HOUR SUMMARY AND ANALYSIS.
SUPER TYPHOON 17W (USAGI), LOCATED APPROXIMATELY 291 NM SOUTH-
SOUTHEAST OF TAIPEI, TAIWAN, HAS TRACKED WEST-NORTHWESTWARD AT 09
KNOTS OVER THE PAST SIX HOURS. ANIMATED ENHANCED INFRARED SATELLITE
IMAGERY REVEALS A RECENT DECREASE IN DEEP CONVECTION AS STY 17W HAS
GONE THROUGH AN EYEWALL REPLACEMENT CYCLE, WHICH IS SUPPORTED BY A
SERIES OF RECENT MICROWAVE IMAGES. WATER VAPOR LOOP INDICATES STY
17W IS STILL IN A FAVORABLE ENVIRONMENT WITH RADIAL OUTFLOW. THE
INITIAL INTENSITY REMAINS AT 130 KNOTS BASED ON DVORAK FINAL-T
ESTIMATES OF 127 KNOTS FROM PGTW. STY 17W CONTINUES TRACKING WEST-
NORTHWESTWARD ALONG THE SOUTHERN PERIPHERY OF THE SUBTROPICAL RIDGE
(STR) THAT EXTENDS FROM CENTRAL CHINA INTO THE EAST CHINA SEA.
3. FORECAST REASONING.
A. NO CHANGES TO THE FORECAST PHILOSOPHY SINCE THE PREVIOUS
PROGNOSTIC REASONING MESSAGE.
B. STY 17W IS FORECAST TO REMAIN ON A WEST-NORTHWEST TRACK BY TAU
12 AS THE SYSTEM TRACKS UNDER THE STEERING INFLUENCE OF THE EAST-
WEST ORIENTED STR. THE STR IS EXPECTED TO MAINTAIN THROUGHOUT THE
FORECAST PERIOD AND WILL DRIVE THE SYSTEM WESTWARD AT 10 TO 12 KNOTS
TRACK SPEED THROUGH TAU 72. DYNAMIC MODEL GUIDANCE REMAINS IN GOOD
AGREEMENT, THEREFORE, THERE IS HIGH CONFIDENCE IN THE JTWC FORECAST.
STY 17W IS FORECAST TO WEAKEN AS THE SYSTEM TRACKS TO THE SOUTH OF
TAIWAN DUE TO INCREASING LOW LEVEL INFLOW DISRUPTIONS FROM LAND.
OCEAN HEAT CONTENT VALUES ARE EXPECTED TO DECREASE ALONG TRACK
THROUGH LANDFALL NEAR HONG KONG AROUND TAU 48. ADDITIONAL INFLOW AND
FRICTIONAL EFFECTS WILL FURTHER IMPEDE DEVELOPMENT AS THE SYSTEM
APPROACHES MAINLAND CHINA. THESE EFFECTS ARE LIKELY TO BEGIN BETWEEN
TAU 36 AND 48. BEYOND TAU 48 THE LOW LEVEL CIRCULATION CENTER (LLCC)
WILL TRACK OVER THE SOUTHERN COAST OF CHINA WEAKENING RAPIDLY
THROUGH TAU 72 AS THE LLCC DEGRADES UNDER THE INCREASING HARSH
SURFACE CONDITIONS.
C. STY 17W SHOULD WEAKEN QUICKLY AS IT TRACKS OVER SOUTHERN CHINA
AND NORTHERN VIETNAM INTO NORTHERN CAMBODIA. FULL DISSIPATION IS
EXPECTED BY TAU 120. IN THE EXTENDED TAUS, DYNAMIC MODEL GUIDANCE
REMAINS IN GOOD AGREEMENT, THEREFORE, THERE IS HIGH CONFIDENCE IN
THE JTWC EXTENDED FORECAST TRACK.//
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#218 Postby phwxenthusiast » Fri Sep 20, 2013 5:20 pm

Aparri radar:

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Re: WPAC: USAGI - Typhoon

#219 Postby Alyono » Fri Sep 20, 2013 5:43 pm

supercane4867 wrote:
SouthDadeFish wrote:Outer eyewall has formed:
http://img818.imageshack.us/img818/624/mfqx.jpg
We will probably see the inner eyewall get replaced by the larger outer eyewall over the next 24-48 hours.

Classic EWRC there, the question is will this process get disrupt by high terrain on Taiwan and cause a large decrease in intensity


should move a fair distance south of Taiwan, so it shouldn't disrupt anything
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#220 Postby SunnyThoughts » Fri Sep 20, 2013 6:35 pm

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DTJlX9VnoCA Awesome episode of "Perfect Disaster" documentary show concerning Hong Kong and Typhoons for those interested.
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