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Re: WPAC: WUTIP - Tropical Storm

#21 Postby supercane4867 » Fri Sep 27, 2013 10:14 pm

No evidence of eye on the IR yet so no cat 2

Impressive outflow

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Re: WPAC: WUTIP - Tropical Storm

#22 Postby mrbagyo » Fri Sep 27, 2013 10:32 pm

WUTIP is now a severe tropical storm per JMA, though they are not expecting a typhoon out of this one???
your eyes be the judge.... typhoon or what??
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Re: WPAC: WUTIP - Tropical Storm

#23 Postby supercane4867 » Fri Sep 27, 2013 10:42 pm

JMA is always slow on the upgrade

Unlike Pabuk, I think this will eventually be classified a typhoon
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#24 Postby Alyono » Fri Sep 27, 2013 11:04 pm

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Re: WPAC: WUTIP - Tropical Storm

#25 Postby euro6208 » Fri Sep 27, 2013 11:24 pm

wow talk about rapid intensification! this is amazing...
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Re: WPAC: WUTIP - Tropical Storm

#26 Postby euro6208 » Fri Sep 27, 2013 11:26 pm

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WDPN32 PGTW 280300
MSGID/GENADMIN/JOINT TYPHOON WRNCEN PEARL HARBOR HI//
SUBJ/PROGNOSTIC REASONING FOR TROPICAL STORM 20W (WUTIP) WARNING NR
06//
RMKS/
1. FOR METEOROLOGISTS.
2. 6 HOUR SUMMARY AND ANALYSIS.
TROPICAL STORM (TS) 20W (WUTIP), LOCATED APPROXIMATELY 543 NM
EAST-SOUTHEAST OF HANOI, VIETNAM, HAS TRACKED SOUTHWESTWARD AT 06
KNOTS OVER THE PAST SIX HOURS. ANIMATED MULTISPECTRAL SATELLITE
IMAGERY (MSI) AND RECENT MICROWAVE IMAGERY INDICATE THAT TS 20W HAS
INTENSIFIED RAPIDLY OVER THE PAST 24 HOURS (FROM 30 TO 55 KNOTS) AND
THAT THE SYSTEM HAS STALLED AFTER TURNING SHARPLY SOUTHWESTWARD DUE
TO WEAKENING OF THE NARROW STEERING RIDGE. ANIMATED INFRARED
SATELLITE IMAGERY DEPICTS A CENTRAL DENSE OVERCAST FEATURE WITH
MULTIPLE DEEP CONVECTIVE BANDS WRAPPING TIGHTLY INTO THE LOW-LEVEL
CIRCULATION CENTER (LLCC). A 272253Z TRMM IMAGE DEPICTS A SMALL,
WELL-DEFINED MICROWAVE EYE FEATURE WITH IMPROVED CONVECTIVE BANDING
LOCATED PRIMARILY OVER THE NORTHERN SEMI-CIRCLE AND WESTERN SEMI-
CIRCLE DUE TO WEAK EASTERLY VERTICAL WIND SHEAR. BASED ON THE TRMM
IMAGE, THERE IS GOOD CONFIDENCE IN THE INITIAL POSITION AND RECENT
MOTION. ANIMATED WATER VAPOR IMAGERY SHOWS IMPROVED POLEWARD OUTFLOW
INTO A DEEP SHORTWAVE TROUGH DIGGING INTO EASTERN CHINA. THE INITIAL
INTENSITY IS ASSESSED AT 55 KNOTS BASED ON DVORAK INTENSITY
ESTIMATES OF 55 KNOTS FROM KNES AND PGTW. TS 20W IS TRACKING SLOWLY
ALONG THE SOUTHERN PERIPHERY OF THE SUBTROPICAL STEERING RIDGE (STR)
POSITIONED TO THE NORTH.
3. FORECAST REASONING.
A. NO CHANGE TO THE FORECAST PHILOSOPHY SINCE THE PREVIOUS
PROGNOSTIC REASONING MESSAGE.
B. TS 20W IS FORECAST TO CONTINUE TRACKING SLOWLY WESTWARD TO
WEST-SOUTHWESTWARD THROUGH TAU 24 UNDER THE STEERING INFLUENCE OF
THE WEAK STR. AFTER TAU 24, THE SYSTEM IS EXPECTED TO GRADUALLY
ACCELERATE WESTWARD AS THE STR REBUILDS (AFTER PASSAGE OF THE
SHORTWAVE TROUGH). DYNAMIC GUIDANCE DIVERGES WITH SOLUTIONS VARYING
FROM WEST-SOUTHWESTWARD TO WEST-NORTHWESTWARD. TS 20W IS FORECAST TO
MAKE LANDFALL OVER VIETNAM NEAR 30/06Z THEN TO DISSIPATE DUE TO LAND
INTERACTION. TS 20W WILL CONTINUE TO INTENSIFY TO A PEAK INTENSITY
OF 80 KNOTS PRIOR TO LANDFALL DUE TO GENERALLY FAVORABLE
CONDITIONS.
C. IN THE EXTENDED PERIOD, TS 20W IS FORECAST TO DISSIPATE OVER
LAND. OVERALL, THERE IS HIGH CONFIDENCE IN THE ENTIRE JTWC FORECAST
TRACK DESPITE MINOR DIFFERENCES IN THE MODEL SOLUTIONS.//
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should be upgraded into our 8th typhoon soon but just by looking at satellite alone, this is already one...


CURRENT ESTIMATE
Date (yyyymmddhh): 2013092720
SATCON (3mem): MSLP = 984 hPa MSW = 55 kt
ADT: 997 hPa 43 kt Scene: UNFRM
CIMSS AMSU: 980 hPa 68 kt Bias Corr: 0 (JTWC)
SSMIS: SSMISP hPa SSMISW kt
CIRA AMSU: 996 hPa 41 kt Tmax: 1.7
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Re: WPAC: WUTIP - Tropical Storm

#27 Postby euro6208 » Fri Sep 27, 2013 11:34 pm

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intense typhoon at landfall...
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Re: WPAC: WUTIP - Tropical Storm

#28 Postby mrbagyo » Fri Sep 27, 2013 11:45 pm

here's a direct trmm pass to confirm that eye feature.
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TS 20W IS FORECAST TO
MAKE LANDFALL OVER VIETNAM NEAR 30/06Z THEN TO DISSIPATE DUE TO LAND
INTERACTION. TS 20W WILL CONTINUE TO INTENSIFY TO A PEAK INTENSITY
OF 80 KNOTS PRIOR TO LANDFALL DUE TO GENERALLY FAVORABLE
CONDITIONS.
JTWC expects a typhoon with 80 knots MSW (1-min) before landfall.
and it will be a daylight landfall... :clap:
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Re: WPAC: WUTIP - Tropical Storm

#29 Postby euro6208 » Fri Sep 27, 2013 11:52 pm

mrbagyo wrote:here's a direct trmm pass to confirm that eye feature.


TS 20W IS FORECAST TO
MAKE LANDFALL OVER VIETNAM NEAR 30/06Z THEN TO DISSIPATE DUE TO LAND
INTERACTION. TS 20W WILL CONTINUE TO INTENSIFY TO A PEAK INTENSITY
OF 80 KNOTS PRIOR TO LANDFALL DUE TO GENERALLY FAVORABLE
CONDITIONS.
JTWC expects a typhoon with 80 knots MSW (1-min) before landfall.
and it will be a daylight landfall... :clap:


honestly it looks to be already there at 80 knots so a stronger landfall is likely...



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Re: WPAC: WUTIP - Tropical Storm

#30 Postby mrbagyo » Sat Sep 28, 2013 12:22 am

if the projected landfall time pans out, this will be a better chase subject than Usagi...
intense typhoon landfall at broad daylight.
with the models...
time for the European model to get some credit..
:clap: ECMWF :clap:
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#31 Postby stormkite » Sat Sep 28, 2013 12:47 am

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http://www.ssd.noaa.gov/mtsat/twpac/flash-vis.html

Imo the eye is angular very small sloping type . Dont see any cold cloud banding
close to the eye may happen with further intensity. Was only at 3.5 when i last looked at nhc.



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Re: WPAC: WUTIP - Tropical Storm

#32 Postby mrbagyo » Sat Sep 28, 2013 2:11 am

TXPQ22 KNES 280313
TCSWNP

A. 20W (WUTIP)

B. 28/0232Z

C. 16.5N

D. 114.1E

E. THREE/MTSAT

F. T4.0/4.0/D1.5/24HRS

G. IR/EIR/VIS/SSMIS/TMI

H. REMARKS...CONVECTION WRAPS JUST OVER 1.0 ON LOG10 SPIRAL YIELDING
A DT OF 4.0. MET AND PT AGREE. FT IS BASED ON DT.

I. ADDL POSITIONS

27/2127Z 16.8N 113.9E SSMIS
27/2235Z 16.4N 114.1E SSMIS
27/2253Z 16.4N 114.1E TMI


...KIBLER
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Re: WPAC: WUTIP - Tropical Storm

#33 Postby mrbagyo » Sat Sep 28, 2013 4:53 am

STS 1321 (WUTIP)
Issued at 09:45 UTC, 28 September 2013

<Analyses at 28/09 UTC>
Scale -
Intensity -
Center position N16°50'(16.8°)
E113°55'(113.9°)
Direction and speed of movement NNW Slowly
Central pressure 975hPa
Maximum wind speed near the center 30m/s(60kt)
Maximum wind gust speed 45m/s(85kt)
Area of 50kt winds or more ALL70km(40NM)
Area of 30kt winds or more N390km(210NM)
S170km(90NM)

<Forecast for 29/09 UTC>
Intensity Strong
Center position of probability circle N16°35'(16.6°)
E111°55'(111.9°)
Direction and speed of movement W Slowly
Central pressure 970hPa
Maximum wind speed near the center 35m/s(65kt)
Maximum wind gust speed 50m/s(95kt)
Radius of probability circle 130km(70NM)
Storm warning area ALL240km(130NM)

<Forecast for 30/06 UTC>
Intensity -
Center position of probability circle N17°25'(17.4°)
E109°25'(109.4°)
Direction and speed of movement WNW 15km/h(7kt)
Central pressure 975hPa
Maximum wind speed near the center 30m/s(60kt)
Maximum wind gust speed 45m/s(85kt)
Radius of probability circle 200km(110NM)
Storm warning area ALL300km(160NM)

<Forecast for 01/06 UTC>
Intensity -
Center position of probability circle N17°30'(17.5°)
E105°00'(105.0°)
Direction and speed of movement W 20km/h(10kt)
Central pressure 990hPa
Maximum wind speed near the center 23m/s(45kt)
Maximum wind gust speed 35m/s(65kt)
Radius of probability circle 390km(210NM)
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#34 Postby Alyono » Sat Sep 28, 2013 6:51 am

EC has about 75-80 KT at landfall
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#35 Postby stormkite » Sat Sep 28, 2013 7:41 am

Imo will be a typhoon strengh tomorrow.


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#36 Postby stormkite » Sat Sep 28, 2013 7:42 am

Imo will be a typhoon strengh tomorrow.


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Re: WPAC: WUTIP - Tropical Storm

#37 Postby cycloneye » Sat Sep 28, 2013 8:02 am

JMA upgrades to typhoon.

TY 1321 (WUTIP)
Issued at 12:50 UTC, 28 September 2013
<Analyses at 28/12 UTC>
Scale -
Intensity Strong
Center position N16°55'(16.9°)
E113°55'(113.9°)
Direction and speed of movement NNW Slowly
Central pressure 970hPa
Maximum wind speed near the center 35m/s(65kt)
Maximum wind gust speed 50m/s(95kt)
Area of 50kt winds or more ALL90km(50NM)
Area of 30kt winds or more N390km(210NM)
S220km(120NM)

<Forecast for 29/12 UTC>
Intensity Strong
Center position of probability circle N17°00'(17.0°)
E111°30'(111.5°)
Direction and speed of movement W 10km/h(6kt)
Central pressure 960hPa
Maximum wind speed near the center 40m/s(75kt)
Maximum wind gust speed 55m/s(105kt)
Radius of probability circle 130km(70NM)
Storm warning area ALL260km(140NM)

<Forecast for 30/12 UTC>
Intensity Strong
Center position of probability circle N17°50'(17.8°)
E108°20'(108.3°)
Direction and speed of movement WNW 15km/h(8kt)
Central pressure 960hPa
Maximum wind speed near the center 40m/s(75kt)
Maximum wind gust speed 55m/s(105kt)
Radius of probability circle 200km(110NM)
Storm warning area ALL330km(180NM)

<Forecast for 01/12 UTC>
Intensity -
Center position of probability circle N17°55'(17.9°)
E103°35'(103.6°)
Direction and speed of movement W 20km/h(11kt)
Central pressure 990hPa
Maximum sustained wind speed 23m/s(45kt)
Maximum wind gust speed 35m/s(65kt)
Radius of probability circle 390km(210NM)
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Re: WPAC: WUTIP - Typhoon

#38 Postby euro6208 » Sat Sep 28, 2013 9:43 am

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8th typhoon of the season... and strengthening...


WTPN32 PGTW 281500
MSGID/GENADMIN/JOINT TYPHOON WRNCEN PEARL HARBOR HI//
SUBJ/TROPICAL CYCLONE WARNING//
RMKS/
1. TYPHOON 20W (WUTIP) WARNING NR 008
UPGRADED FROM TROPICAL STORM 20W
01 ACTIVE TROPICAL CYCLONE IN NORTHWESTPAC
MAX SUSTAINED WINDS BASED ON ONE-MINUTE AVERAGE
WIND RADII VALID OVER OPEN WATER ONLY
---
WARNING POSITION:
281200Z --- NEAR 16.8N 113.9E
MOVEMENT PAST SIX HOURS - 300 DEGREES AT 02 KTS
POSITION ACCURATE TO WITHIN 045 NM
POSITION BASED ON CENTER LOCATED BY SATELLITE
PRESENT WIND DISTRIBUTION:
MAX SUSTAINED WINDS - 065 KT, GUSTS 080 KT
WIND RADII VALID OVER OPEN WATER ONLY
RADIUS OF 050 KT WINDS - 035 NM NORTHEAST QUADRANT
035 NM SOUTHEAST QUADRANT
035 NM SOUTHWEST QUADRANT
035 NM NORTHWEST QUADRANT
RADIUS OF 034 KT WINDS - 075 NM NORTHEAST QUADRANT
060 NM SOUTHEAST QUADRANT
060 NM SOUTHWEST QUADRANT
075 NM NORTHWEST QUADRANT
REPEAT POSIT: 16.8N 113.9E
---
FORECASTS:
12 HRS, VALID AT:
290000Z --- 16.7N 112.9E
MAX SUSTAINED WINDS - 070 KT, GUSTS 085 KT
WIND RADII VALID OVER OPEN WATER ONLY
RADIUS OF 064 KT WINDS - 020 NM NORTHEAST QUADRANT
020 NM SOUTHEAST QUADRANT
020 NM SOUTHWEST QUADRANT
025 NM NORTHWEST QUADRANT
RADIUS OF 050 KT WINDS - 040 NM NORTHEAST QUADRANT
040 NM SOUTHEAST QUADRANT
040 NM SOUTHWEST QUADRANT
040 NM NORTHWEST QUADRANT
RADIUS OF 034 KT WINDS - 090 NM NORTHEAST QUADRANT
075 NM SOUTHEAST QUADRANT
075 NM SOUTHWEST QUADRANT
090 NM NORTHWEST QUADRANT
VECTOR TO 24 HR POSIT: 270 DEG/ 06 KTS
---
24 HRS, VALID AT:
291200Z --- 16.7N 111.6E
MAX SUSTAINED WINDS - 080 KT, GUSTS 100 KT
WIND RADII VALID OVER OPEN WATER ONLY
RADIUS OF 064 KT WINDS - 020 NM NORTHEAST QUADRANT
020 NM SOUTHEAST QUADRANT
020 NM SOUTHWEST QUADRANT
020 NM NORTHWEST QUADRANT
RADIUS OF 050 KT WINDS - 050 NM NORTHEAST QUADRANT
050 NM SOUTHEAST QUADRANT
050 NM SOUTHWEST QUADRANT
050 NM NORTHWEST QUADRANT
RADIUS OF 034 KT WINDS - 105 NM NORTHEAST QUADRANT
090 NM SOUTHEAST QUADRANT
095 NM SOUTHWEST QUADRANT
105 NM NORTHWEST QUADRANT
VECTOR TO 36 HR POSIT: 275 DEG/ 10 KTS
---
36 HRS, VALID AT:
300000Z --- 16.9N 109.6E
MAX SUSTAINED WINDS - 085 KT, GUSTS 105 KT
WIND RADII VALID OVER OPEN WATER ONLY
RADIUS OF 064 KT WINDS - 025 NM NORTHEAST QUADRANT
025 NM SOUTHEAST QUADRANT
025 NM SOUTHWEST QUADRANT
025 NM NORTHWEST QUADRANT
RADIUS OF 050 KT WINDS - 055 NM NORTHEAST QUADRANT
050 NM SOUTHEAST QUADRANT
055 NM SOUTHWEST QUADRANT
055 NM NORTHWEST QUADRANT
RADIUS OF 034 KT WINDS - 110 NM NORTHEAST QUADRANT
100 NM SOUTHEAST QUADRANT
105 NM SOUTHWEST QUADRANT
115 NM NORTHWEST QUADRANT
VECTOR TO 48 HR POSIT: 280 DEG/ 13 KTS
---
EXTENDED OUTLOOK:
48 HRS, VALID AT:
301200Z --- 17.3N 107.0E
MAX SUSTAINED WINDS - 065 KT, GUSTS 080 KT
WIND RADII VALID OVER OPEN WATER ONLY
DISSIPATING AS A SIGNIFICANT TROPICAL CYCLONE OVER WATER
RADIUS OF 050 KT WINDS - 040 NM NORTHEAST QUADRANT
035 NM SOUTHEAST QUADRANT
035 NM SOUTHWEST QUADRANT
040 NM NORTHWEST QUADRANT
RADIUS OF 034 KT WINDS - 095 NM NORTHEAST QUADRANT
085 NM SOUTHEAST QUADRANT
090 NM SOUTHWEST QUADRANT
100 NM NORTHWEST QUADRANT
VECTOR TO 72 HR POSIT: 280 DEG/ 13 KTS
---
72 HRS, VALID AT:
011200Z --- 18.0N 101.8E
MAX SUSTAINED WINDS - 020 KT, GUSTS 030 KT
WIND RADII VALID OVER OPEN WATER ONLY
DISSIPATED AS A SIGNIFICANT TROPICAL CYCLONE OVER LAND
---
REMARKS:
281500Z POSITION NEAR 16.8N 113.6E.
TYPHOON 20W (WUTIP), LOCATED APPROXIMATELY 326 NM EASTWARD OF DA
NANG, VIETNAM, HAS TRACKED WEST-NORTHWESTWARD AT 02 KNOTS OVER THE
PAST SIX HOURS. MAXIMUM SIGNIFICANT WAVE HEIGHT AT 281200Z IS 24
FEET. NEXT WARNINGS AT 282100Z, 290300Z, 290900Z AND 291500Z.//
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WDPN32 PGTW 281500
MSGID/GENADMIN/JOINT TYPHOON WRNCEN PEARL HARBOR HI//
SUBJ/PROGNOSTIC REASONING FOR TYPHOON 20W (WUTIP) WARNING NR 08//
RMKS//
1. FOR METEOROLOGISTS.
2. 6 HOUR SUMMARY AND ANALYSIS.
TYPHOON 20W (WUTIP), LOCATED APPROXIMATELY 326 NM EASTWARD OF DA
NANG, VIETNAM, HAS TRACKED WEST-NORTHWESTWARD AT 02 KNOTS OVER THE
PAST SIX HOURS. ANIMATED ENHANCED INFRARED SATELLITE IMAGERY (EIR)
INDICATES THAT TY 20W HAS CONTINUED TO INCREASE IN CONVECTIVE
ORGANIZATION AS THE CENTRAL DENSE OVERCAST FEATURE HAS PERSISTED AND
DEEPENED OVER THE LOW-LEVEL CIRCULATION CENTER (LLCC) WHILE THE
SYSTEM HAS SLOWLY DRIFTED TO THE WEST DISPLAYING QUASI-STATIONARY
MOVEMENT. A 281004Z CORIOLIS 37GHZ MICROWAVE IMAGE DEPICTS A TIGHTLY
WRAPPED SYSTEM WITH IMPROVED CONVECTIVE BANDING WRAPPING INTO A
SMALL MICROWAVE EYE FEATURE. THERE IS GOOD CONFIDENCE IN THE INITIAL
POSITION AND RECENT MOTION BASED ON THE MICROWAVE IMAGE AND RADAR
IMAGERY FROM PADDLE ISLAND, CHINA. THE INITIAL INTENSITY HAS BEEN
INCREASED TO 65 KNOTS BASED ON THE IMPROVING STRUCTURE AND AN
AVERAGE OF DVORAK INTENSITY ESTIMATES THAT RANGE FROM 55 TO 77
KNOTS. UPPER-LEVEL ANALYSIS AND ANIMATED WATER VAPOR IMAGERY SHOWS A
FAVORABLE ENVIRONMENT WITH DUAL CHANNEL OUTFLOW AND LOW TO MODERATE
(10 TO 20 KNOTS) VERTICAL WIND SHEAR. TY 20W CONTINUES TO MEANDER IN
A WEAK STEERING ENVIRONMENT AS THE SUBTROPICAL STEERING RIDGE (STR)
HAS BROKE DOWN IN RESPONSE TO THE DIGGING TROUGH THAT IS CURRENTLY
OVER EASTERN CHINA.
3. FORECAST REASONING.
A. NO CHANGE TO THE FORECAST PHILOSOPHY SINCE THE PREVIOUS
PROGNOSTIC REASONING MESSAGE.
B. TY 20W IS FORECAST TO TRACK SLOWLY WESTWARD TO WEST-
SOUTHWESTWARD THROUGH TAU 24 UNDER THE WEAK STEERING INFLUENCE OF
THE REBUILDING STR. AFTER TAU 24, THE SYSTEM IS EXPECTED TO
GRADUALLY ACCELERATE WESTWARD AS THE STR BECOMES MORE ESTABLISHED
AND THE SHORTWAVE TROUGH PROPAGATES TO THE EAST. TY 20W WILL
CONTINUE TO INTENSIFY TO A PEAK INTENSITY OF 85 KNOTS PRIOR TO
LANDFALL DUE TO FAVORABLE ENVIRONMENTAL CONDITIONS. TY 20W WILL THEN
MAKE LANDFALL OVER VIETNAM SHORTLY AFTER TAU 48 AND WILL BEGIN TO
DISSIPATE DUE TO THE LAND INTERACTION WITH COMPLETE DISSIPATION BY
TAU 72. NUMERIC MODEL GUIDANCE CONTINUES TO REMAIN IN TIGHT
AGREEMENT WITH ONLY A 90NM SPREAD BY TAU 48 ALTHOUGH THERE ARE SOME
SLIGHT DIFFERENCES IN TRACK SPEED. DUE TO THIS CONTINUED TIGHT
AGREEMENT, HIGH CONFIDENCE REMAINS IN THE JTWC FORECAST TRACK.//
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interesting discussion from KNES...

H. REMARKS...MICROWAVE SUITE SHOWS SMALL CLUSTER OF VERY STRONG
CONVECTION VERY NEAR THE CENTER OR JUST WSW OF THE CENTER THAT HAS BEEN
SLOWLY PROGRESSING W. THIS CONVECTIVE CLUSTER ALONG WITH ALMOST FULLY
SURROUNDING BANDING OF SIMILAR DEEP CONVECTION IS LEADING TO A VERY
LARGE AREA OF CMG CLOUD TOPS WHICH EMBEDS THE LLC MORE THAN .8 DEGREES
FOR A DT OF 5.0. GIVEN THE LOW LEVEL CENTER LOCATION IS CLOSE BUT COULD
BE FURTHER EAST... THE DT IS REJECTED PARTICULARLY CONSIDERING BANDING
METHOD (USING IR AND SWIR THOUGH THE OVERSHOOTING TOP) WOULD BE 1.2 ON
LOG10 AND EVEN PLUS WHITE ONLY YIELDS 4.5. MET IS LIKEWISE REJECTED AS
IT IS A BIT LOW AT 4.0. PT IS 4.5. FT IS BASED ON PT.
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#39 Postby phwxenthusiast » Sat Sep 28, 2013 10:52 am

center starting to show up on radar from the Paracel Islands...

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#40 Postby euro6208 » Sat Sep 28, 2013 10:53 am

phwxenthusiast wrote:i'm afraid this is gonna be another storm where the JMA will lag behind in intensity... :cry:


i was surprised they actually upgraded this lol :lol:

pabuk with an eye vs wutip without an eye... :roll:
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