ATL: JERRY - Post-Tropical - Discussion

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Re: ATL: ELEVEN - Tropical Depression - Discussion

#41 Postby hurricanes1234 » Sun Sep 29, 2013 9:46 pm

Still Tropical Depression Eleven as of 11PM EDT. NHC also states that even though wind shear may decrease, dry air will increase, allowing for modest strengthening only. Either way you look at it, this system is likely not going to become anything much, unless conditions abruptly become better.

THE CLOUD PATTERN ASSOCIATED WITH THE DEPRESSION HAS IMPROVED SLIGHTLY OVER THE LAST SEVERAL HOURS. ALTHOUGH DEEP CONVECTION REMAINS CONFINED TO THE NORTHERN PORTION OF THE CIRCULATION...IT HAS LESS OF A SHEARED APPEARANCE. THE LATEST DVORAK CLASSIFICATIONS FROM TAFB AND SAB SUPPORT MAINTAINING THE INITIAL WIND SPEED AT 30 KT. THE GLOBAL MODELS SHOW THE UPPER-LEVEL WINDS DECREASING SOME DURING THE NEXT FEW DAYS WHILE DRIER AIR IMPINGES ON THE SYSTEM. THESE MIXED SIGNALS SUGGEST THAT ONLY A LITTLE STRENGTHENING IS LIKELY DURING THAT TIME FRAME. BY THE END OF THE WEEK...AN INCREASE IN SOUTHWESTERLY SHEAR IS FORECAST AND THAT SHOULD INDUCE SOME WEAKENING. THE OFFICIAL FORECAST LIES CLOSER TO THE LOW END OF THE GUIDANCE.

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Re: ATL: ELEVEN - Tropical Depression - Discussion

#42 Postby ozonepete » Sun Sep 29, 2013 10:47 pm

hurricanes1234 wrote:Still Tropical Depression Eleven as of 11PM EDT. NHC also states that even though wind shear may decrease, dry air will increase, allowing for modest strengthening only. Either way you look at it, this system is likely not going to become anything much, unless conditions abruptly become better.

THE CLOUD PATTERN ASSOCIATED WITH THE DEPRESSION HAS IMPROVED SLIGHTLY OVER THE LAST SEVERAL HOURS. ALTHOUGH DEEP CONVECTION REMAINS CONFINED TO THE NORTHERN PORTION OF THE CIRCULATION...IT HAS LESS OF A SHEARED APPEARANCE. THE LATEST DVORAK CLASSIFICATIONS FROM TAFB AND SAB SUPPORT MAINTAINING THE INITIAL WIND SPEED AT 30 KT. THE GLOBAL MODELS SHOW THE UPPER-LEVEL WINDS DECREASING SOME DURING THE NEXT FEW DAYS WHILE DRIER AIR IMPINGES ON THE SYSTEM. THESE MIXED SIGNALS SUGGEST THAT ONLY A LITTLE STRENGTHENING IS LIKELY DURING THAT TIME FRAME. BY THE END OF THE WEEK...AN INCREASE IN SOUTHWESTERLY SHEAR IS FORECAST AND THAT SHOULD INDUCE SOME WEAKENING. THE OFFICIAL FORECAST LIES CLOSER TO THE LOW END OF THE GUIDANCE..


Starting to look really good to me. First of all, that pesky upper low is moving more north and dissipating - it was never very big to begin with but was definitely causing shear. That's ending for sure. Also, drier air "impinging" is very different from drier air being absorbed; that's a total hedge if I ever saw one, and I totally understand hedging: it's part of the forecaster's tool kit, lol. Anyway this has just gotten a green light for the time being. Surely Jerry either by 5AM or 11AM at the latest, which is in line with the NHC forecast anyway. Btw, TCs out in that region are always really tough to forecast strength for. There's simply almost no actual environmental atmospheric readings out there. Remember Michael last year? So good luck.

(Btw, the LLC is pretty much now tucked in under that burst of convection. This is clearly strengthening now.)

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Re: ATL: ELEVEN - Tropical Depression - Discussion

#43 Postby hurricanes1234 » Mon Sep 30, 2013 5:37 am

It's still a TD as of 5 am, I guess 11am or 5pm will 'stormise' it. :lol:
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Re: ATL: ELEVEN - Tropical Depression - Discussion

#44 Postby wxman57 » Mon Sep 30, 2013 7:42 am

Looks like it will be upgraded to Jerry in a few hours:

TROPICAL CYCLONE JERRY (AL112013) 20130930 1200 UTC

...00 HRS... ...12 HRS... ...24 HRS... ...36 HRS...
130930 1200 131001 0000 131001 1200 131002 0000

LAT LON LAT LON LAT LON LAT LON
BAMS 26.8N 46.3W 26.3N 46.3W 25.7N 47.1W 25.3N 48.1W
BAMD 26.8N 46.3W 25.8N 46.2W 24.5N 46.7W 23.7N 47.4W
BAMM 26.8N 46.3W 25.9N 46.3W 24.8N 47.1W 24.0N 48.2W
LBAR 26.8N 46.3W 26.5N 45.1W 26.2N 44.2W 26.3N 43.4W
SHIP 35KTS 39KTS 43KTS 46KTS
DSHP 35KTS 39KTS 43KTS 46KTS
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Re: ATL: ELEVEN - Tropical Depression - Discussion

#45 Postby cycloneye » Mon Sep 30, 2013 7:44 am

wxman57 wrote:Looks like it will be upgraded to Jerry in a few hours:

TROPICAL CYCLONE JERRY (AL112013) 20130930 1200 UTC

...00 HRS... ...12 HRS... ...24 HRS... ...36 HRS...
130930 1200 131001 0000 131001 1200 131002 0000

LAT LON LAT LON LAT LON LAT LON
BAMS 26.8N 46.3W 26.3N 46.3W 25.7N 47.1W 25.3N 48.1W
BAMD 26.8N 46.3W 25.8N 46.2W 24.5N 46.7W 23.7N 47.4W
BAMM 26.8N 46.3W 25.9N 46.3W 24.8N 47.1W 24.0N 48.2W
LBAR 26.8N 46.3W 26.5N 45.1W 26.2N 44.2W 26.3N 43.4W
SHIP 35KTS 39KTS 43KTS 46KTS
DSHP 35KTS 39KTS 43KTS 46KTS


12z Best Track confirms.

AL, 11, 2013093012, , BEST, 0, 268N, 463W, 35, 1008, TS, 34, NEQ, 40, 40, 0, 0, 1016, 90, 40, 0, 0, L, 0, , 0, 0, JERRY, M
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Re: ATL: ELEVEN - Tropical Depression - Discussion

#46 Postby HurrMark » Mon Sep 30, 2013 8:30 am

And unless this pulls a Michael, average ACE per storm will probably drop even further....
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Re: ATL: JERRY - Tropical Storm - Discussion

#47 Postby cycloneye » Mon Sep 30, 2013 9:35 am

...DEPRESSION BECOMES TENTH TROPICAL STORM OF THE ATLANTIC SEASON...


SUMMARY OF 1100 AM AST...1500 UTC...INFORMATION
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LOCATION...27.0N 45.7W
ABOUT 1200 MI...1935 KM ESE OF BERMUDA
ABOUT 1325 MI...2130 KM WSW OF THE AZORES
MAXIMUM SUSTAINED WINDS...40 MPH...65 KM/H
PRESENT MOVEMENT...E OR 90 DEGREES AT 7 MPH...11 KM/H
MINIMUM CENTRAL PRESSURE...1008 MB...29.77 INCHES

Season numbers are now 10/2/0.
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Re: ATL: JERRY - Tropical Storm - Discussion

#48 Postby Ikester » Mon Sep 30, 2013 9:47 am

What a joke. Another name another non-storm. I'd believe pigs really know how to fly before I'd believe this storm maintains 39+ mph sustained winds.
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Re: ATL: JERRY - Tropical Storm - Discussion

#49 Postby TropicalAnalystwx13 » Mon Sep 30, 2013 9:55 am

Ikester wrote:What a joke. Another name another non-storm. I'd believe pigs really know how to fly before I'd believe this storm maintains 39+ mph sustained winds.

The system has been producing -70C convection for a better part of the past 18 hours. Sheared or not, I'd be surprised if it wasn't producing tropical storm-force winds.
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Re: ATL: JERRY - Tropical Storm - Discussion

#50 Postby wxman57 » Mon Sep 30, 2013 10:19 am

An OSCAT pass from last evening indicated 40-45 kt un-flagged winds in the convection:

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Re: ATL: JERRY - Tropical Storm - Discussion

#51 Postby SoupBone » Mon Sep 30, 2013 11:31 am

Can anyone explain in layman's terms how OSCAT determines wind speed?
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Re: ATL: JERRY - Tropical Storm - Discussion

#52 Postby cycloneye » Mon Sep 30, 2013 12:52 pm

Not bad looking. Saved image.

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Re: ATL: JERRY - Tropical Storm - Discussion

#53 Postby CrazyC83 » Mon Sep 30, 2013 12:55 pm

SoupBone wrote:Can anyone explain in layman's terms how OSCAT determines wind speed?


Remote sensing and satellites. The NHC did mention it in the discussion but felt it was unrepresentative due to satellite differences. BTW, those are 50-55 kt winds in that OSCAT pass. I'd want to see more conclusive data before jumping on that.
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Re: ATL: JERRY - Tropical Storm - Discussion

#54 Postby cycloneye » Mon Sep 30, 2013 1:29 pm

18z Best Track remains at 35kts.

AL, 11, 2013093018, , BEST, 0, 273N, 452W, 35, 1008, TS, 34, NEQ, 40, 40, 0, 30, 1016, 90, 30, 0, 0, L, 0, , 0, 0, JERRY, M,
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Re: ATL: JERRY - Tropical Storm - Discussion

#55 Postby sleepysilverdoor » Mon Sep 30, 2013 1:38 pm

CrazyC83 wrote:
SoupBone wrote:Can anyone explain in layman's terms how OSCAT determines wind speed?


Remote sensing and satellites. The NHC did mention it in the discussion but felt it was unrepresentative due to satellite differences. BTW, those are 50-55 kt winds in that OSCAT pass. I'd want to see more conclusive data before jumping on that.


It utilizes the fact that the wavelengths of the ripples on the ocean surface are the same as a certain microwave band. It shoots a beam on microwaves at the ocean surface and measures wind from the reflection. The actual details are rather complicated, but there's a good COMET module on them.
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Re: ATL: JERRY - Tropical Storm - Discussion

#56 Postby hurricanes1234 » Mon Sep 30, 2013 2:54 pm

Does anyone think Jerry will strengthen further?
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Re: ATL: JERRY - Tropical Storm - Discussion

#57 Postby cycloneye » Mon Sep 30, 2013 3:37 pm

...JERRY EXPECTED TO BEGIN MOVING ERRATICALLY SOON...


SUMMARY OF 500 PM AST...2100 UTC...INFORMATION
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LOCATION...27.3N 44.9W
ABOUT 1240 MI...1995 KM E OF BERMUDA
ABOUT 1275 MI...2050 KM WSW OF THE AZORES
MAXIMUM SUSTAINED WINDS...40 MPH...65 KM/H
PRESENT MOVEMENT...E OR 85 DEGREES AT 7 MPH...11 KM/H
MINIMUM CENTRAL PRESSURE...1008 MB...29.77 INCHES
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#58 Postby CrazyC83 » Mon Sep 30, 2013 4:19 pm

Uhhhh, it is looking better by the hour now...Special Advisory by 6? Looks like the 50-55 kt OSCAT from earlier is legit now.

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Re: ATL: JERRY - Tropical Storm - Discussion

#59 Postby ozonepete » Mon Sep 30, 2013 4:34 pm

Yeah, especially on the RGB looks like an eye is forming. Nice upper outflow too.

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Re: ATL: JERRY - Tropical Storm - Discussion

#60 Postby ozonepete » Mon Sep 30, 2013 4:39 pm

Ha ha - look how far off CIMSS ADT is on the center/eye location. They need to change to ring/spiral formation to find the center. (And I love CIMSS so this is just for laughs. It happens lol.) Btw, when they do, the CI numbers are going to jump.

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