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MED: Subtropical Depression near Corsica/Sardinia

#1 Postby DanieleItalyRm » Mon Aug 10, 2015 6:40 pm

Noaa added Mediterranean Sea basin:
http://www.ssd.noaa.gov/PS/TROP/floaters.html

Today A Low circulation has acquired some tropical characteristics between France and Corsica, over 25-26°C sea surface.
Tomorrow it moved to SE over 28°C sea surface of the Tyrrhenian Sea.
however not have a strong low pressure supported and I THink not exceed tropical depressione intensity:

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Re: MED: Subtropical Depression near Corsica/Sardinia

#2 Postby DanieleItalyRm » Tue Aug 11, 2015 4:07 am

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Re: MED: Subtropical Depression near Corsica/Sardinia

#3 Postby AJC3 » Tue Aug 11, 2015 4:54 pm

DanieleItalyRm wrote:Noaa added Mediterranean Sea basin:
http://www.ssd.noaa.gov/PS/TROP/floaters.html

Today A Low circulation has acquired some tropical characteristics between France and Corsica, over 25-26°C sea surface.
Tomorrow it moved to SE over 28°C sea surface of the Tyrrhenian Sea.

However not have a strong low pressure supported and I Think not exceed tropical depression intensity:


The upper air sounding from 08/11 at 1200 UTC from Ajaccio, Corsica...

http://weather.uwyo.edu/cgi-bin/soundin ... STNM=07761

...showed a 500MB temperature of -10.7C. From an environmental perspective, this easily falls within the >= 30C threshold (an unofficial approximation, of course) which was identified as the temperature difference between the SST/near surface air mass and 500MB needed to support warm-core tropical cyclone convective processes (i.e. "medcane" development) at that high latitude. See...

viewtopic.php?f=31&t=116987&p=2429573#p2429573
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Re: MED: Subtropical Depression near Corsica/Sardinia

#4 Postby DanieleItalyRm » Tue Aug 11, 2015 6:51 pm

iF this easily falls within the >= 30C threshold which was identified as the temperature difference between the SST/near surface air mass and 500MB needed to support warm-core tropical cyclone convective processes,
what to be missing? a small vorticity perhaps? or much high initial pressure?
almost always these tropical systems be started from extratropical cyclones (cut-off) to below 1000 hPa.
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Re: MED: Subtropical Depression near Corsica/Sardinia

#5 Postby AJC3 » Tue Aug 11, 2015 10:21 pm

DanieleItalyRm wrote:iF this easily falls within the >= 30C threshold which was identified as the temperature difference between the SST/near surface air mass and 500MB needed to support warm-core tropical cyclone convective processes,
what to be missing? a small vorticity perhaps? or much high initial pressure?
almost always these tropical systems be started from extratropical cyclones (cut-off) to below 1000 hPa.


It could be one or a combination of several factors. Were conditions favorable for a long enough period of time? Perhaps there was some interaction with the islands of Corsica and Sardinia? Was there any sort of dry air in the vicinity? It seems the system was moving and may not have been clear of land interaction for it to sufficiently develop.
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Re: MED: Subtropical Depression near Corsica/Sardinia

#6 Postby DanieleItalyRm » Wed Aug 12, 2015 4:58 am

Thanks. I think low vorticity and especially dry air intrusion has a major negative effect in this case for a tropical center convection development:
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Re: MED: Subtropical Depression near Corsica/Sardinia

#7 Postby DanieleItalyRm » Fri Aug 14, 2015 3:52 pm

The depressione produced floods and waterspouts over Italian coasts.
Calabria flash floods: https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=0TNFJ0aIhwQ

sea tornado civitavecchia (Roma) italy: http://www.youreporter.it/video_Tromba_ ... 10_08_2015
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Re: MED: Subtropical Depression near Corsica/Sardinia

#8 Postby Hammy » Fri Aug 14, 2015 4:38 pm

That looks pretty bad, hopefully there won't be too much damage.
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