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Re: EPAC: INVEST 96E

#21 Postby Yellow Evan » Wed Jul 06, 2016 10:14 am

Showers and thunderstorms associated with a broad area of low
pressure located about 525 miles south-southwest of Manzanillo,
Mexico, are showing some signs of organization. Continued
development of this system is expected, and a tropical depression
is likely to form within the next couple of days while it moves
westward at around 10 mph.
* Formation chance through 48 hours...high...70 percent
* Formation chance through 5 days...high...90 percent
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Re: EPAC: INVEST 96E

#22 Postby Yellow Evan » Wed Jul 06, 2016 10:16 am

Looks classifiable to me.
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Re: EPAC: INVEST 96E

#23 Postby Kingarabian » Wed Jul 06, 2016 11:09 am

Euro and GFS develop this in 3 days.
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Re: EPAC: INVEST 96E

#24 Postby Extratropical94 » Wed Jul 06, 2016 12:47 pm

Showers and thunderstorms associated with a broad area of low
pressure located about 525 miles south-southwest of Manzanillo,
Mexico, continue to show some signs of organization. Environmental
conditions are conducive for additional development, and a tropical
depression is likely to form during the next day or so while the
system moves westward at about 10 mph.
* Formation chance through 48 hours...high...80 percent
* Formation chance through 5 days...high...90 percent
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Re: EPAC: INVEST 96E

#25 Postby Yellow Evan » Wed Jul 06, 2016 2:26 pm

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  06/1745 UTC   12.2N    108.6W       T2.0/2.0         96E -- East Pacific 
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Re: EPAC: INVEST 96E

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Re: EPAC: INVEST 96E

#27 Postby wxman57 » Wed Jul 06, 2016 3:07 pm

Looks like it's at least a TD now, with 30-35kt winds. Should be a TS tomorrow and a hurricane over the weekend. Might be held back a little intensity-wise by passing across Blas' cool water wake.
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Re: EPAC: INVEST 96E

#28 Postby cycloneye » Wed Jul 06, 2016 3:35 pm

TROPICAL DEPRESSION FOUR-E DISCUSSION NUMBER 1
NWS NATIONAL HURRICANE CENTER MIAMI FL EP042016
300 PM MDT WED JUL 06 2016

Satellite imagery indicates that the low pressure area located well
southwest of the coast of Mexico now has a well-defined circulation
and sufficient organized convection to be designated a tropical
depression. Thus, advisories are initiated on Tropical Depression
Four-E with an initial intensity of 30 kt.

The depression is moving westward or 280 degrees at 7 kt. A weak
low- to mid-level ridge should steer the cyclone westward at a
less than climatological forward speed for the next 3-4 days,
followed by a west-northwestward motion by day 5. The track
forecast guidance is in good agreement with this scenario, and the
track forecast is in the center of the guidance envelope.

The dynamical models forecast that the cyclone will be in an
environment of light vertical wind shear for the next five days.
However, it is forecast to cross an area of cooler water, possibly a
cold wake left by Hurricane Blas, during the next 72 hours. This is
expected to allow only slow intensification during that time.
Subsequently, the cyclone should move over warmer water and
strengthen at a faster rate. The intensity forecast is in best
agreement with the SHIPS model, and it calls for the cyclone to
become a tropical storm in about 24 hours and a hurricane in about
96 hours. An alternative scenario is that the cyclone strengthens
faster than currently forecast due to the conducive shear
environment.


FORECAST POSITIONS AND MAX WINDS

INIT 06/2100Z 12.2N 109.1W 30 KT 35 MPH
12H 07/0600Z 12.3N 110.1W 30 KT 35 MPH
24H 07/1800Z 12.3N 111.4W 35 KT 40 MPH
36H 08/0600Z 12.5N 112.6W 40 KT 45 MPH
48H 08/1800Z 12.5N 114.2W 45 KT 50 MPH
72H 09/1800Z 12.5N 117.5W 55 KT 65 MPH
96H 10/1800Z 13.0N 120.5W 75 KT 85 MPH
120H 11/1800Z 14.5N 123.5W 90 KT 105 MPH

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Re: EPAC: FOUR-E Tropical Depression

#29 Postby Kingarabian » Wed Jul 06, 2016 5:01 pm

How likely is the GFS to be wrong and this not be a close call with Hawaii?
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Re: EPAC: FOUR-E Tropical Depression

#30 Postby Kingarabian » Wed Jul 06, 2016 5:17 pm

18z GFS has this becoming just as strong as Blas as it heads west 120 hours out.

Doesn't look believable. Cat. 2 over 24-25C water?
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Re: EPAC: FOUR-E Tropical Depression

#31 Postby Yellow Evan » Wed Jul 06, 2016 5:52 pm

Kingarabian wrote:18z GFS has this becoming just as strong as Blas as it heads west 120 hours out.

Doesn't look believable. Cat. 2 over 24-25C water?


I doubt think the SST's are that cold over its path as of right now, but with Blas's cold wake, they'll cool a bit.

Nevertheless, worth pointing out that Daniel 12 was a Cat 3 over 25-26C water.
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Re: EPAC: FOUR-E Tropical Depression

#32 Postby Kingarabian » Wed Jul 06, 2016 6:04 pm

Yellow Evan wrote:
Kingarabian wrote:18z GFS has this becoming just as strong as Blas as it heads west 120 hours out.

Doesn't look believable. Cat. 2 over 24-25C water?


I doubt think the SST's are that cold over its path as of right now, but with Blas's cold wake, they'll cool a bit.

Nevertheless, worth pointing out that Daniel 12 was a Cat 3 over 25-26C water.


I remember Daniel in 2012. But Daniel was never over or near 20N (mid latitudes) like the Celia and Blas are expected to be:

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But the Euro and GFS are on the same page in terms of track for Celia. I think the only way this can be a real threat to Hawaii is if it remains weak and drifts more west rather than west north west in the next 72 hours.
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Re: EPAC: FOUR-E Tropical Depression

#33 Postby cycloneye » Wed Jul 06, 2016 9:35 pm

TROPICAL DEPRESSION FOUR-E DISCUSSION NUMBER 2
NWS NATIONAL HURRICANE CENTER MIAMI FL EP042016
900 PM MDT WED JUL 06 2016

The depression is not in a hurry to intensify tonight. The
circulation is better defined, and although the convection is not
very deep at this time, it is acquiring a comma-shape form, which
suggests an increase in the convective pattern organization. The
center appears to be located on the nose of the comma, but is not
embedded within the thunderstorm activity. T-numbers from SAB, TAFB
and ADTs from CIMSS are near 2.0 on the Dvorak scale. On this
basis, the initial intensity is kept at 30 kt.

The depression is embedded within a very favorable environment of
low shear for intensification, and only the upwelling left by strong
Hurricane Blas could cause a delay in the intensification process.
Most of the intensity guidance shows a substantial increase in the
winds by the end of the forecast period and in fact, the SHIPS model
increases the winds to above 100 kt. The NHC forecast follows the
model trend and makes the depression a hurricane in 3 days, but this
could happen earlier.

The depression is moving toward the west-northwest or 285 degrees
at 7 kt. Most of the global models amplify a very strong and nearly
stationary subtropical ridge which extends from the United States
westward across the Pacific. This steering pattern will likely force
the cyclone to move westward and even south of due west for 3 to
4 days. After that time the cyclone will begin to turn more to the
west-northwest around the southwestern periphery of the ridge. Most
of the track models are in agreement with this solution, and the NHC
forecast is in the middle of the guidance envelope, but favoring the
consensus between the GFS and the ECMWF global models.

FORECAST POSITIONS AND MAX WINDS

INIT 07/0300Z 12.4N 109.9W 30 KT 35 MPH
12H 07/1200Z 12.5N 111.0W 35 KT 40 MPH
24H 08/0000Z 12.5N 112.5W 45 KT 50 MPH
36H 08/1200Z 12.5N 114.0W 55 KT 65 MPH
48H 09/0000Z 12.5N 115.5W 60 KT 70 MPH
72H 10/0000Z 12.5N 119.0W 75 KT 85 MPH
96H 11/0000Z 12.5N 122.0W 85 KT 100 MPH
120H 12/0000Z 14.5N 126.0W 90 KT 105 MPH

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Re: EPAC: FOUR-E Tropical Depression

#34 Postby stormwise » Wed Jul 06, 2016 9:41 pm

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Re: EPAC: FOUR-E Tropical Depression

#35 Postby Yellow Evan » Wed Jul 06, 2016 9:49 pm

3z NHC forecast brings this up faster than most models. Interesting.
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Re: EPAC: INVEST 96E

#36 Postby JaxGator » Wed Jul 06, 2016 10:54 pm

wxman57 wrote:Looks like it's at least a TD now, with 30-35kt winds. Should be a TS tomorrow and a hurricane over the weekend. Might be held back a little intensity-wise by passing across Blas' cool water wake.


I guessed that too wxman57 but looking at the track (so far), it has the storm going more south of Blas's path so it might avoid the cooler waters. That's just my guess.
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Re: EPAC: FOUR-E Tropical Depression

#37 Postby Kingarabian » Thu Jul 07, 2016 4:04 am

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TCDEP4

TROPICAL DEPRESSION FOUR-E DISCUSSION NUMBER 3
NWS NATIONAL HURRICANE CENTER MIAMI FL EP042016
300 AM MDT THU JUL 07 2016

Tropical Depression Four-E has changed little overnight. A 0458Z
ASCAT-B overpass indicated a broad, weak inner-core wind field with
the low-level center located at or south of 12N latitude. However,
passive microwave satellite data indicate a fairly well-developed
mid-level circulation displaced more than 30 nmi north-northwest of
the low-level center due to southeasterly vertical wind shear. The
ASCAT data also indicated a couple of 35-kt surface wind vectors.
However, convection near the center has noticeably weakened and
become less organized since that pass, so the cyclone is being
maintained as a 30-kt depression, which is supported by a blend of
satellite intensity estimates from TAFB, SAB, and UW-CIMSS.

The initial motion estimate is still 285/07 kt, based primarily on a
blend of microwave and scatterometer fix positions of the low-level
and mid-level circulation centers. Despite the difficulty in
locating the exact center of the depression, the NHC model guidance
is in remarkably good agreement on the future track of the cyclone.
The strong subtropical ridge to the north of the depression is
forecast to remain nearly stationary throughout the forecast period,
and even amplify somewhat in 24-72 hours, driving the cyclone in a
general westward motion. After that time, the cyclone is expected to
turn toward the west-northwest as the system moves around the
southwestern periphery of the ridge. The NHC official forecast track
essentially lies down the middle of the guidance envelope, and
closely follows the multi-model consensus TVCE.

The depression is experiencing mid-level dry air entrainment and
modest mid-level shear conditions, which have combined to disrupt
the inner-core wind field somewhat. However, the overall environment
is quite favorable for strengthening to occur, so once the
inner-core region recovers later today, steady strengthening is
expected through 36 h. However, around 48 h or so, the cyclone is
expected to pass near or just south of a pronounced cold wake left
behind by Hurricane Blas when it traversed this same area a couple
of days ago. This could produce a slightly more stable environment,
so the intensification trend at that time is leveled off some. From
72 hours and beyond, however, conditions become quite favorable
for at least steady strengthening, and some of the models are even
calling for the cyclone to become a major hurricane by 120 h. The
official intensity forecast is similar to the previous advisory, and
closely follows a blend of the SHIPS and LGEM models through 72
hours, but is a little lower than those models on days 4 and 5.

FORECAST POSITIONS AND MAX WINDS

INIT 07/0900Z 12.6N 110.2W 30 KT 35 MPH
12H 07/1800Z 12.7N 111.2W 35 KT 40 MPH
24H 08/0600Z 12.8N 112.6W 45 KT 50 MPH
36H 08/1800Z 12.9N 114.2W 55 KT 65 MPH
48H 09/0600Z 13.1N 115.9W 60 KT 70 MPH
72H 10/0600Z 13.1N 119.4W 75 KT 85 MPH
96H 11/0600Z 14.0N 123.6W 85 KT 100 MPH
120H 12/0600Z 15.6N 127.4W 95 KT 110 MPH

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Re: EPAC: FOUR-E Tropical Depression

#38 Postby Yellow Evan » Thu Jul 07, 2016 5:45 am

Given the low bias of ASCAT, I don't think it's a good idea to be going lower than it.
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Re: EPAC: FOUR-E Tropical Depression

#39 Postby Kingarabian » Thu Jul 07, 2016 5:50 am

GFS has Celia even stronger at 972 mb into Hawaii 222 hours out.
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Re: EPAC: FOUR-E Tropical Depression

#40 Postby Alyono » Thu Jul 07, 2016 7:33 am

in the very unlikely event that the MU verifies, that would mark the second time Celia would have had its name retired for striking the USA. One reason why Celia should have NEVER been included as this would create the confusion retirement seeks to avoid
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