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ATL: INVEST 95L - Discussion

#1 Postby cycloneye » Thu Jun 23, 2016 8:24 am

AL, 95, 2016062212, , BEST, 0, 163N, 833W, 20, 1012, DB, 0, , 0, 0, 0, 0, 0, 0, 0, 0, 0, , 0, , 0, 0, GENESIS007, , 0, , 0, 0, 0, 0, genesis-num, 007,
AL, 95, 2016062218, , BEST, 0, 165N, 843W, 25, 1012, DB, 0, , 0, 0, 0, 0, 0, 0, 0, 0, 0, , 0, , 0, 0, GENESIS007, , 0, , 0, 0, 0, 0, genesis-num, 007,
AL, 95, 2016062300, , BEST, 0, 167N, 854W, 25, 1012, DB, 0, , 0, 0, 0, 0, 0, 0, 0, 0, 0, , 0, , 0, 0, GENESIS007, , 0, , 0, 0, 0, 0, genesis-num, 007,
AL, 95, 2016062306, , BEST, 0, 170N, 864W, 25, 1013, DB, 0, , 0, 0, 0, 0, 0, 0, 0, 0, 0, , 0, , 0, 0, GENESIS007, , 0, , 0, 0, 0, 0, genesis-num, 007,
AL, 95, 2016062312, , BEST, 0, 173N, 872W, 25, 1013, LO, 34, NEQ, 0, 0, 0, 0, 1015, 100, 90, 0, 0, L, 0, , 0, 0, INVEST

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Re: ATL: INVEST 95L - Discussion

#2 Postby weathaguyry » Thu Jun 23, 2016 8:36 am

WOW! All models bringing this to TS strength around 48hrs.
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ATL: INVEST 95L - Models

#3 Postby cycloneye » Thu Jun 23, 2016 8:47 am

Models only here:

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Re: ATL: INVEST 95L - Discussion

#4 Postby JaxGator » Thu Jun 23, 2016 9:07 am

There are times where the models can miss some storms. I think there's a chance it can develop once it gets into the Gulf as it already has some spin.

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Re: ATL: INVEST 95L - Discussion

#5 Postby RL3AO » Thu Jun 23, 2016 9:10 am

It looks good although it would be a surprise for the globals to completely miss this. Either way a 35 knot TS seems like the absolute max.
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Re: ATL: INVEST 95L - Discussion

#6 Postby panamatropicwatch » Thu Jun 23, 2016 9:37 am

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Re: ATL: INVEST 95L - Discussion

#7 Postby NDG » Thu Jun 23, 2016 10:07 am

IMO, shear is not the problem, the ULL to the west of it is retrograding westward along with it. It has very little time over water once it gets into the BOC for it to do much. But you never know, it may become a TD before the vorticity moves into MX mainland.
Windshear is analyzed at 14 knots and forecasted to get below 10 knots once it gets over the BOC.
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ATL: INVEST 95L - Recon

#8 Postby srainhoutx » Thu Jun 23, 2016 10:10 am

RECON has been tasked:

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WEATHER RECONNAISSANCE FLIGHTS
CARCAH, NATIONAL HURRICANE CENTER, MIAMI, FL.
0930 AM EDT THU 23 JUNE 2016
SUBJECT: TROPICAL CYCLONE PLAN OF THE DAY (TCPOD)
         VALID 24/1100Z TO 25/1100Z JUNE 2016
         TCPOD NUMBER.....16-028

I.  ATLANTIC REQUIREMENTS
    1. SUSPECT AREA (BAY OF CAMPECHE)
       FLIGHT ONE - TEAL 71              FLIGHT TWO - TEAL 72
       A. 24/1800Z                       A. 25/1130Z
       B. AFXXX 01CCA INVEST             B. AFXXX 0205A CYCLONE
       C. 24/1500Z                       C. 25/0900Z
       D. 19.5N 94.0W                    D. 20.5N 96.5W
       E. 24/1730Z TO 24/2130Z           E. 25/1100Z TO 25/1500Z
       F. SFC TO 10,000 FT               F. SFC TO 10,000 FT

    2. OUTLOOK FOR SUCCEEDING DAY.....NEGATIVE.
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Re: ATL: INVEST 95L - Recon

#9 Postby cycloneye » Thu Jun 23, 2016 10:14 am

srainhoutx ,To let you know that I splited your post from the main 95L discussion thread to make the recon thread.
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Re: ATL: INVEST 95L - Models

#10 Postby Yellow Evan » Thu Jun 23, 2016 10:15 am

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                    * ATLANTIC     SHIPS INTENSITY FORECAST          *
                    * IR SAT DATA AVAILABLE,       OHC AVAILABLE     *
                    *  INVEST      AL952016  06/23/16  12 UTC        *

TIME (HR)          0     6    12    18    24    36    48    60    72    84    96   108   120
V (KT) NO LAND    25    25    26    27    29    34    41    46    50    53    57    60    61
V (KT) LAND       25    25    24    25    29    34    42    31    28    27    31    34    35
V (KT) LGEM       25    25    24    25    29    31    34    28    27    27    30    32    33
Storm Type      TROP  TROP  TROP  TROP  TROP  TROP  TROP  TROP  TROP  TROP  TROP  TROP  TROP

SHEAR (KT)        14    12    11    12     9     8     4     7     5     2     3     3     6
SHEAR ADJ (KT)    -5    -5    -4    -5    -5    -6     1    -2     5    10     7    10     6
SHEAR DIR        267   275   264   281   284   277   328   253   245   234   184   160   157
SST (C)         29.6  29.8  29.7  29.7  29.8  29.6  29.3  29.1  29.2  29.3  28.3  25.9  24.8
POT. INT. (KT)   162   166   164   165   167   163   158   154   156   157   142   113   104
ADJ. POT. INT.   156   161   159   159   162   156   149   144   146   148   133   105    97
200 MB T (C)   -53.9 -53.7 -53.3 -53.5 -53.7 -53.1 -53.3 -52.7 -53.1 -52.8 -53.1 -52.9 -53.0
200 MB VXT (C)  -0.2  -0.2  -0.2  -0.1  -0.3  -0.2  -0.1   0.0   0.0   0.0   0.0   0.0   0.0
TH_E DEV (C)       7     9    10     9     8    12    10    14    10    11     6     6     3
700-500 MB RH     72    73    73    72    72    69    68    63    63    62    63    60    63
MODEL VTX (KT)     5     5     6     6     5     4     5     3     3     2     2     2  LOST
850 MB ENV VOR   -44   -32   -31   -49   -53   -34   -11    -1     2   -13   -12   -17   -24
200 MB DIV        17     9    21    25    15     8     5     4     2     1   -20   -12   -13
700-850 TADV       7     7     7     3     0     1    -1    -4    -1    -4     5     0     1
LAND (KM)        106     0  -116   -63    43   147     3  -182  -347  -114   109   292   357
LAT (DEG N)     17.3  17.8  18.2  18.7  19.0  19.8  20.4  20.9  21.1  21.0  20.7  20.4  20.0
LONG(DEG W)     87.2  88.2  89.3  90.4  91.7  94.3  96.8  99.2 101.6 104.1 106.7 109.1 111.5
STM SPEED (KT)    10    11    11    12    13    12    12    11    12    12    12    11    11
HEAT CONTENT      39    18    40    36    14    18    11     0     0    25    19     0     0

  FORECAST TRACK FROM TABM      INITIAL HEADING/SPEED (DEG/KT):285/ 10      CX,CY:  -9/  3
  T-12 MAX WIND:  25            PRESSURE OF STEERING LEVEL (MB):  604  (MEAN=618)
  GOES IR BRIGHTNESS TEMP. STD DEV.  50-200 KM RAD:  22.2 (MEAN=14.5)
  % GOES IR PIXELS WITH T < -20 C    50-200 KM RAD:  41.0 (MEAN=65.0)
  PRELIM RI PROB (DV .GE. 30 KT IN 24 HR):            6.2

                        INDIVIDUAL CONTRIBUTIONS TO INTENSITY CHANGE
                         6   12   18   24   36   48   60   72   84   96  108  120
                        ----------------------------------------------------------
  SAMPLE MEAN CHANGE     1.   2.   3.   4.   6.   8.   9.  11.  11.  12.  13.  13.
  SST POTENTIAL          0.  -1.   0.   1.   5.  12.  19.  24.  29.  34.  37.  38.
  VERTICAL SHEAR MAG     1.   2.   3.   4.   6.   7.   9.   9.  10.  10.  11.  10.
  VERTICAL SHEAR ADJ     0.   1.   1.   2.   4.   4.   5.   4.   3.   1.   0.  -1.
  VERTICAL SHEAR DIR     0.  -1.  -1.  -1.  -2.  -2.  -3.  -4.  -5.  -6.  -6.  -6.
  PERSISTENCE            0.  -1.  -1.  -1.  -1.  -1.  -1.  -1.   0.   0.   0.   0.
  200/250 MB TEMP.       0.  -1.  -1.  -1.  -2.  -2.  -2.  -2.  -2.  -2.  -2.  -1.
  THETA_E EXCESS         0.   0.   0.   0.   0.   0.   1.   1.   1.   1.   1.   0.
  700-500 MB RH          0.   0.  -1.  -1.  -2.  -2.  -4.  -4.  -5.  -5.  -5.  -5.
  MODEL VTX TENDENCY     0.   0.   0.  -1.  -2.  -3.  -6.  -6.  -9.  -9. -11. -11.
  850 MB ENV VORTICITY   0.  -1.  -1.  -1.  -2.  -2.  -2.  -2.  -3.  -3.  -4.  -4.
  200 MB DIVERGENCE      0.   0.   0.   0.   0.   0.  -1.  -1.  -1.   0.   1.   2.
  850-700 T ADVEC        0.   0.   0.   0.   0.   0.   0.   0.   0.   0.   0.   0.
  ZONAL STORM MOTION     0.   0.   0.   0.   1.   1.   1.   1.   1.   1.   1.   1.
  STEERING LEVEL PRES    0.   0.   0.   0.   0.   0.   0.   0.   0.   0.   0.   0.
  DAYS FROM CLIM. PEAK   0.   0.   0.   0.   0.   0.   0.   1.   1.   1.   1.   1.
  GOES PREDICTORS        0.  -1.  -1.  -1.  -2.  -3.  -3.  -3.  -3.  -2.  -2.  -2.
  OCEAN HEAT CONTENT     0.   0.   0.   0.  -1.  -1.  -1.  -1.  -1.  -1.  -1.  -1.
                        ----------------------------------------------------------
  TOTAL CHANGE           0.   1.   2.   4.   9.  16.  21.  25.  28.  32.  35.  36.

                CURRENT MAX WIND (KT):   25. LAT, LON:   17.3    87.2

      ** 2015 ATLANTIC RI INDEX AL952016 INVEST     06/23/16  12 UTC **
 (SHIPS-RII PREDICTOR TABLE for 30 KT OR MORE MAXIMUM WIND INCREASE IN NEXT 24-h)
 
     Predictor             Value   RI Predictor Range  Scaled Value(0-1) % Contribution
 12 HR PERSISTENCE (KT):     0.0     -49.5  to   33.0       0.60           3.6
 850-200 MB SHEAR (KT) :    11.7      28.8  to    2.9       0.66           1.7
 HEAT CONTENT (KJ/cm2) :    29.4       0.0  to  155.1       0.19           0.4
 STD DEV OF IR BR TEMP :    22.2      37.5  to    2.9       0.44           1.2
 2nd PC OF IR BR TEMP  :     0.4       2.8  to   -3.1       0.41           1.1
 MAXIMUM WIND (kt)     :    25.0      22.5  to  121.0       0.07           0.1
 D200 (10**7s-1)       :    17.4     -23.1  to  181.5       0.20           0.2
 POT = MPI-VMAX (KT)   :   134.3      28.4  to  139.1       0.96           1.5
 % AREA WITH TPW <45 mm:     0.0     100.0  to    0.0       1.00           0.6
 BL DRY-AIR FLUX (w/m2):    64.8     960.3  to  -67.1       0.87           0.0
 
 SHIPS Prob RI for 20kt/ 12hr RI threshold=   5% is   0.9 times sample mean ( 5.5%)
 SHIPS Prob RI for 25kt/ 24hr RI threshold=  16% is   1.4 times sample mean (11.6%)
 SHIPS Prob RI for 30kt/ 24hr RI threshold=  10% is   1.4 times sample mean ( 7.2%)
 SHIPS Prob RI for 35kt/ 24hr RI threshold=   8% is   2.0 times sample mean ( 4.2%)
 SHIPS Prob RI for 40kt/ 24hr RI threshold=   0% is   0.0 times sample mean ( 2.8%)
 SHIPS Prob RI for 45kt/ 36hr RI threshold=   0% is   0.0 times sample mean ( 4.9%)
 SHIPS Prob RI for 55kt/ 48hr RI threshold=  16% is   3.2 times sample mean ( 5.1%)
 
 Matrix of RI probabilities
 ---------------------------------------------------------------------
  RI (kt / h)  | 20/12 | 25/24 | 30/24 | 35/24 | 40/24 | 45/36 | 55/48
 ---------------------------------------------------------------------
   SHIPS-RII:     5.0%   16.4%   10.3%    8.4%    0.0%    0.0%   16.4%
    Logistic:     3.9%   23.7%   11.1%    4.3%    0.0%    6.3%   38.2%
    Bayesian:     0.1%    1.8%    0.2%    0.0%    0.0%    0.0%    0.1%
   Consensus:     3.0%   13.9%    7.2%    4.2%    0.0%    2.1%   18.2%

   ##         ANNULAR HURRICANE INDEX (AHI) AL952016 INVEST     06/23/16  12 UTC         ##
   ## STORM NOT ANNULAR, SCREENING STEP FAILED, NPASS=3 NFAIL=4                          ##
   ## AHI=  0   (AHI OF 100 IS BEST FIT TO ANN. STRUC., 1 IS MARGINAL, 0 IS NOT ANNULAR) ##

** PROBLTY OF AT LEAST 1 SCNDRY EYEWL FORMTN EVENT AL952016 INVEST     06/23/2016  12 UTC **
TIME(HR)   0-12  12-24(0-24)  24-36(0-36)  36-48(0-48)
CLIMO(%)     0      0(  0)       0(  0)       0(  0)     <-- PROB BASED ON INTENSITY ONLY
PROB(%)      0      0(  0)       0(  0)       0(  0)     PC4 UNAVAIL...MODEL SKILL DEGRADED

** DSHIPS INTENSITY FORECAST ADJUSTED RELATIVE TO ONSET OF ERC WEAKENING PHASE **
      TIME (HR)      0     6    12    18    24    36    48    60    72    84    96   108   120
>24HR AGO (DSHIPS)  25    25    24    25    29    34    42    31    28    27    31    34    35
 18HR AGO           25    24    23    24    28    33    41    30    27    26    30    33    34
 12HR AGO           25    22    21    22    26    31    39    28    25    24    28    31    32
  6HR AGO           25    19    16    15    19    24    32    21    18    17    21    24    25
      NOW                              CURRENT INTENSITY < 83 KT
  IN  6HR                              INTENSITY IN  6HR < 83 KT
  IN 12HR                              INTENSITY IN 12HR < 83 KT


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Re: ATL: INVEST 95L - Discussion

#11 Postby NDG » Thu Jun 23, 2016 10:15 am

A definitive weak surface low developing just east of Belize or right on the coast.

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Re: ATL: INVEST 95L - Discussion

#12 Postby vbhoutex » Thu Jun 23, 2016 10:23 am

NDG wrote:A definitive weak surface low developing just east of Belize or right on the coast.

http://i20.photobucket.com/albums/b245/ndgarcia/B6527643-83EB-497F-813C-8859FE2942A0_zpsdjlqv55c.jpeg


It looks like it, but it has little time before it gets over land.
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Re: ATL: INVEST 95L - Discussion

#13 Postby tarheelprogrammer » Thu Jun 23, 2016 10:25 am

Well if shear is lower and it is taking a path similar to Danielle wouldn't it be stronger? Seems to have about the same amount of time over water.
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ATL: INVEST 95L - Discussion

#14 Postby stormlover2013 » Thu Jun 23, 2016 10:27 am

is this the one gfs is showing to be a Gulf storm?
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Re: ATL: INVEST 95L - Discussion

#15 Postby TheAustinMan » Thu Jun 23, 2016 10:32 am

stormlover2013 wrote:is this the one gfs is showing to be a Gulf storm?


No... the GFS sends this system stumbling into the Bay of Campeche without much intensification over the next 2-3 days. The GFS Gulf storm would be the tropical wave out by the Lesser Antilles.
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Re: ATL: INVEST 95L - Discussion

#16 Postby TheStormExpert » Thu Jun 23, 2016 10:37 am

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stormlover2013 wrote:is this the one gfs is showing to be a Gulf storm?


No... the GFS sends this system stumbling into the Bay of Campeche without much intensification over the next 2-3 days. The GFS Gulf storm would be the tropical wave out by the Lesser Antilles.

Wasn't this though the storm the GFS was forecasting to head towards the northern Gulf Coast this coming week last Friday?
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Re: ATL: INVEST 95L - Models

#17 Postby cycloneye » Thu Jun 23, 2016 10:43 am

To be clear,what GFS is showing on long range timeframes has nothing to do with 95L.
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Re: ATL: INVEST 95L - Discussion

#18 Postby stormlover2013 » Thu Jun 23, 2016 10:45 am

oh k thanks
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Re: ATL: INVEST 95L - Discussion

#19 Postby TheAustinMan » Thu Jun 23, 2016 10:47 am

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stormlover2013 wrote:is this the one gfs is showing to be a Gulf storm?


No... the GFS sends this system stumbling into the Bay of Campeche without much intensification over the next 2-3 days. The GFS Gulf storm would be the tropical wave out by the Lesser Antilles.

Wasn't this though the storm the GFS was forecasting to head towards the northern Gulf Coast this coming week last Friday?


Yeah, the Gulf storm on the GFS last Friday was a development of this particular wave, but after Friday it started locking in to the other tropical wave on the outskirts of the Caribbean. Global models are not really developing 95L, and currently depict a marginal low-level vorticity with a package of moisture crossing the Bay of Campeche without much of a stir. Some of the early cycle guidance though tries to ramp up 95L pretty quickly but they have 95L moving much slower in comparison to the GFS, Euro, etc.
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Re: ATL: INVEST 95L - Discussion

#20 Postby JaxGator » Thu Jun 23, 2016 10:52 am

It looks like recon might go in once 95L gets into the Gulf.

NOUS42 KNHC 231331
REPRPD
WEATHER RECONNAISSANCE FLIGHTS
CARCAH, NATIONAL HURRICANE CENTER, MIAMI, FL.
0930 AM EDT THU 23 JUNE 2016
SUBJECT: TROPICAL CYCLONE PLAN OF THE DAY (TCPOD)
VALID 24/1100Z TO 25/1100Z JUNE 2016
TCPOD NUMBER.....16-028

I. ATLANTIC REQUIREMENTS
1. SUSPECT AREA (BAY OF CAMPECHE)
FLIGHT ONE - TEAL 71 FLIGHT TWO - TEAL 72
A. 24/1800Z A. 25/1130Z
B. AFXXX 01CCA INVEST B. AFXXX 0205A CYCLONE
C. 24/1500Z C. 25/0900Z
D. 19.5N 94.0W D. 20.5N 96.5W
E. 24/1730Z TO 24/2130Z E. 25/1100Z TO 25/1500Z
F. SFC TO 10,000 FT F. SFC TO 10,000 FT

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