ATL: JULIA - Post-Tropical - Discussion

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Re: ATL: JULIA - Tropical Storm - Discussion

#621 Postby LarryWx » Fri Sep 16, 2016 2:57 pm

Blown Away wrote:
NDG wrote::uarrow: Yeap, is moving WSW to SW since earlier this morning.


Crazy the TVCN takes nearly 5 days to make it to Florida... :eek:


1) The ones that take it to FL then are doing it after a trough swings by to its north and then a second blocking high comes in to her north causing Julia to move SW into FL.

2) The models have been clueless with regard to Julia since it formed. There's no reason to believe that they suddenly have a clue now. So, I'd say just watch it and take the nearly worthless models thus far with Julia with a huge grain.
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Re: ATL: JULIA - Tropical Storm - Discussion

#622 Postby Alyono » Fri Sep 16, 2016 3:12 pm

shear may last for only 24 to 36 more hours
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Re: ATL: JULIA - Tropical Storm - Discussion

#623 Postby LarryWx » Fri Sep 16, 2016 3:25 pm

Alyono wrote:shear may last for only 24 to 36 more hours


Yep, maybe even sooner IF the models have a clue. Actually, the shear already looks like it has decreased since yesterday.

As of 3:45 pm EDT, I have her near 30.7N, 76.1 W vs ~31.1N, 75.6W three hours earlier. That's ~40 miles in 3 hours. So, she has been moving SW at ~13 mph for 3 hours.
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Re: ATL: JULIA - Tropical Storm - Discussion

#624 Postby Blown Away » Fri Sep 16, 2016 3:33 pm

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Trucking SW at a good clip... Popping some convection to the NE...
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Re: ATL: JULIA - Advisories

#625 Postby cycloneye » Fri Sep 16, 2016 3:43 pm

TROPICAL STORM JULIA DISCUSSION NUMBER 12
NWS NATIONAL HURRICANE CENTER MIAMI FL AL112016
500 PM EDT FRI SEP 16 2016

Satellite data and reports from an Air Force Reserve Hurricane
Hunter aircraft indicate that Julia has lost organization since
this time yesterday. The winds have decreased in most parts of the
circulation, and the center is now well exposed to the west of the
main area of convection. The aircraft reported a central pressure
near 1008 mb and SFMR surface wind estimates of 35 kt within 30 n
mi of the center over the northern semicircle. These data are the
basis for keeping the initial intensity 35 kt.

The intensity forecast remains low confidence. Currently, Julia is
in an environment of 25-35 kt of westerly vertical shear, and this
hostile environment should continue for the next 48 hours. After
that time, the guidance remains in good agreement that the shear
should decrease. However, it is in poor agreement as to what that
means for the cyclone. The Canadian and UKMET continue to forecast
a stronger system, while the GFS, ECMWF, and HWRF forecast Julia to
dissipate or remain weak. Given the current trends, there is no
change to the dissipation scenario used in the intensity forecast.
However, this forecast again is on the low edge of the intensity
guidance, and there remains a chance that Julia will survive and
re-intensify.

Julia appears to finally have stopped its eastward motion, and the
initial motion is now a somewhat uncertain 190/3. In the next day
or so, the cyclone should be steered toward the southwest and west
by the low-level ridge to the north. After 36 hours, a baroclinic
trough moving into the northeastern United States should weaken the
ridge and allow Julia, or its remnants, to turn northward and
eventually northeastward. There remains a significant spread
between the much faster Canadian and ECMWF models and the slower GFS
and UKMET models. The new forecast track favors a lower solution
and keeps Julia moving at less than 5 kt before dissipation.


FORECAST POSITIONS AND MAX WINDS

INIT 16/2100Z 30.8N 75.7W 35 KT 40 MPH
12H 17/0600Z 30.7N 75.8W 30 KT 35 MPH
24H 17/1800Z 30.8N 76.1W 30 KT 35 MPH
36H 18/0600Z 31.1N 76.6W 30 KT 35 MPH
48H 18/1800Z 31.5N 77.0W 30 KT 35 MPH
72H 19/1800Z 33.0N 76.5W 25 KT 30 MPH...POST-TROP/REMNT LOW
96H 20/1800Z 33.5N 75.5W 25 KT 30 MPH...POST-TROP/REMNT LOW
120H 21/1800Z...DISSIPATED

$$
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Re: ATL: JULIA - Tropical Storm - Discussion

#626 Postby AnnularCane » Fri Sep 16, 2016 3:53 pm

One of the prettiest naked swirls I've ever seen. :lol:
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Re: ATL: JULIA - Tropical Storm - Discussion

#627 Postby SeGaBob » Fri Sep 16, 2016 4:00 pm

Kind of weird for the NHC to not follow the TVCN.
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Re: ATL: JULIA - Tropical Storm - Discussion

#628 Postby Hammy » Fri Sep 16, 2016 4:06 pm

Instability must be pretty high here, I've rarely see a storm completely decouple like that and just an hour or two later start a new convective burst.
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Re: ATL: JULIA - Tropical Storm - Discussion

#629 Postby LarryWx » Fri Sep 16, 2016 4:08 pm

SeGaBob wrote:Kind of weird for the NHC to not follow the TVCN.


Why should they when the TVCN and all model guidance has verified horribly with Julia? They might as well flip a coin at this stage. Of course, the TVCN may happen to find its nut this time but I assume you know what I'm saying. I don't think Julia is forecastable right now.

She looks like she's now moving SSW to almost S right now.
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Re: ATL: JULIA - Tropical Storm - Discussion

#630 Postby SeGaBob » Fri Sep 16, 2016 4:11 pm

:uarrow: Yeah they have all been bad. Said that a few days ago. :)
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Re: ATL: JULIA - Tropical Storm - Discussion

#631 Postby northjaxpro » Fri Sep 16, 2016 4:19 pm

Julia 's naked swirl is approaching the 30 latitude coordinate fairly soon at the clip she is moving currently.
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Re: ATL: JULIA - Tropical Storm - Discussion

#632 Postby LarryWx » Fri Sep 16, 2016 4:23 pm

northjaxpro wrote:Julia 's naked swirl is approaching the 30 latitude coordinate fairly soon at the clip she is moving currently.


Yes, indeed, she'd be down to your latitude within a couple of hours at this rate! Any feel for what crazy Julia is going to do from here? This has been wild and fascinating!
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Re: ATL: JULIA - Tropical Storm - Discussion

#633 Postby SeGaBob » Fri Sep 16, 2016 4:23 pm

northjaxpro wrote:Julia 's naked swirl is approaching the 30 latitude coordinate fairly soon at the clip she is moving currently.


Yeah, according to the 5pm advisory, it shouldn't get that far south. Interesting for sure.
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Re: ATL: JULIA - Tropical Storm - Discussion

#634 Postby LarryWx » Fri Sep 16, 2016 4:25 pm

SeGaBob wrote:
northjaxpro wrote:Julia 's naked swirl is approaching the 30 latitude coordinate fairly soon at the clip she is moving currently.


Yeah, according to the 5pm advisory, it shouldn't get that far south.


I really feel sorry for the NHC with regard to Julia due to having no reliable guidance for her.
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Re: ATL: JULIA - Tropical Storm - Discussion

#635 Postby Emmett_Brown » Fri Sep 16, 2016 4:31 pm

LarryWx wrote:
SeGaBob wrote:Kind of weird for the NHC to not follow the TVCN.


Why should they when the TVCN and all model guidance has verified horribly with Julia? They might as well flip a coin at this stage. Of course, the TVCN may happen to find its nut this time but I assume you know what I'm saying. I don't think Julia is forecastable right now.

She looks like she's now moving SSW to almost S right now.


"Not Forecastable"... I really like that term. I think it's true in this instance. Some atmospheric interactions are so inherently chaotic, that they enter a realm beyond our ability to forecast with any skill. This storm has been rife with those situations since the beginning. I have always been fascinated by tropical meteorology due to its unpredictable nature... one that seemed to be all to predictable in recent years. I shall savor this as long as it lasts...
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Re: ATL: JULIA - Tropical Storm - Discussion

#636 Postby Hurricaneman » Fri Sep 16, 2016 4:35 pm

If this gets far enough south like between 27 and 28N this would get out of the shear and could intensify pretty quickly if that happens so it would be another thing to watch for all we have to remember is last year when Joaquin moved out of the shear last year as to what can happen though I dont expect anything like that

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Re: ATL: JULIA - Tropical Storm - Discussion

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Re: ATL: JULIA - Tropical Storm - Discussion

#638 Postby LarryWx » Fri Sep 16, 2016 4:45 pm



I really think that today's naked swirl looks more wound up than it did yesterday? Am I missing something?
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Re: ATL: JULIA - Tropical Storm - Discussion

#639 Postby Emmett_Brown » Fri Sep 16, 2016 4:48 pm

LarryWx wrote:


I really think that today's naked swirl looks more wound up than it did yesterday? Am I missing something?


I agree. Much more concentric now than the last 48 hours, when it was more elongated. A tight spiral parked over gulf stream waters in mid September seems to be something to watch carefully if those upper level winds slacken. Should be fun to watch tonight.
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Re: ATL: JULIA - Tropical Storm - Discussion

#640 Postby Hurricaneman » Fri Sep 16, 2016 4:59 pm

This is going to be a nowcast storm because clearly the GFS is already trash as far as movement

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