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Re: WPAC: SARIKA - Typhoon

#101 Postby euro6208 » Sun Oct 16, 2016 4:54 am

Down to 75 knots.

WDPN31 PGTW 160900
MSGID/GENADMIN/JOINT TYPHOON WRNCEN PEARL HARBOR HI//
SUBJ/PROGNOSTIC REASONING FOR TYPHOON 24W (SARIKA) WARNING NR 16//
RMKS/
1. FOR METEOROLOGISTS.
2. 6 HOUR SUMMARY AND ANALYSIS.
TYPHOON 24W (SARIKA), LOCATED APPROXIMATELY 193 NM NORTHWEST OF
MANILA, PHILIPPINES, HAS TRACKED WESTWARD AT 15 KNOTS OVER THE PAST
SIX HOURS. ANIMATED MULTISPECTRAL SATELLITE IMAGERY SHOWS THE SYSTEM
QUICKLY REGAINING CONVECTIVE BANDING AFTER IT CROSSED THE PHILIPPINE
ISLAND OF LUZON INTO THE SOUTH CHINA SEA. A CLOUD-FILLED EYE IS ALSO
BECOMING APPARENT. THE INITIAL POSITION IS PLACED WITH FAIR
CONFIDENCE BASED ON THE CLOUD-FILLED EYE. THE INITIAL INTENSITY OF 75
KNOTS IS BASED ON CONGRUENT DVORAK ESTIMATES FROM PGTW AND RJTD.
ENVIRONMENTAL ANALYSIS INDICATES CONTINUED FAVORABLE CONDITIONS WITH
RADIAL OUTFLOW, LOW VERTICAL WIND SHEAR, AND WARM SEA SURFACE
TEMPERATURES. THE CYCLONE IS TRACKING ALONG THE SOUTHERN PERIPHERY OF
THE DEEP-LAYERED SUBTROPICAL RIDGE (STR) TO THE NORTH.
3. FORECAST REASONING.
A. NO CHANGE TO THE FORECAST PHILOSOPHY SINCE THE PREVIOUS
PROGNOSTIC REASONING BULLETIN.
B. TY 24W WILL TRACK WEST-NORTHWESTWARD UNDER THE STEERING
INFLUENCE OF THE STR. FAVORABLE ENVIRONMENTAL CONDITIONS WILL
PREVAIL, ALLOWING FOR RE-INTENSIFICATION TO 90 KNOTS FROM TAU 24-36.
AFTERWARDS, LAND INTERACTION WITH HAINAN THEN NORTHERN VIETNAM WILL
GRADUALLY WEAKEN IT TO 65 KNOTS, THEN RAPIDLY TO 35 KNOTS BY TAU 72.
C. BEYOND TAU 72, TY 24W IS EXPECTED TO TURN NORTHWESTWARD TOWARDS
A BREAK IN THE STEERING STR AND RAPIDLY DECAY AND DISSIPATE BY TAU 96
IN THE VICINITY OF HANOI, VIETNAM, DUE TO LAND INTERACTION. DYNAMIC
MODEL GUIDANCE REMAINS IN GOOD AGREEMENT, LENDING HIGH CONFIDENCE TO
THE JTWC FORECAST TRACK WHICH IS POSITIONED CLOSE TO THE MULTI-MODEL
CONSENSUS.//
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Re: WPAC: SARIKA - Typhoon

#102 Postby Alyono » Sun Oct 16, 2016 6:24 am

euro6208 wrote:
Alyono wrote:My landfall estimate is 95 kts

Did not seem to have the organization typically seen with 100kt plus storms


I thought looks don't matter right in the Atlantic? :lol:


just stop with your over hyping, please. In the Atlantic, we have AIRCRAFT. Looks do not matter there. In the Pacific, we nearly only have Dvorak and some satellite data. Given the open eyewall, as well as the cool eye on IR, a reasonable determination can be made this was weaker than the raw DTs had this at (and one should NEVER use raw DTs to make an intensity estimate
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Re: WPAC: SARIKA - Typhoon

#103 Postby dexterlabio » Sun Oct 16, 2016 7:46 am

I just watched James Reynolds' video of Sarika. I mentioned that he was at the southern side of the eyewall, but even so, one would expect crazier winds from a supposed Cat3-4 few miles away. I have to agree with Alyono on this.
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Re: WPAC: SARIKA - Typhoon

#104 Postby mrbagyo » Sun Oct 16, 2016 10:15 am

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Sarika has dramatically increased in size, just like other typhoons that had crossed the mountains of Luzon (e.g. Megi, Nesat)
Just imagine the surge it would cause to the coast of Gulf of Tonkin if there is no Hainan Island.
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Re: WPAC: SARIKA - Typhoon

#105 Postby 1900hurricane » Sun Oct 16, 2016 12:20 pm

Yeah, core is torched.

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Re: WPAC: SARIKA - Typhoon

#106 Postby euro6208 » Sun Oct 16, 2016 2:41 pm

EURO brings this on shore Hainan as a 971mb cyclone.
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Re: WPAC: SARIKA - Typhoon

#107 Postby euro6208 » Sun Oct 16, 2016 3:16 pm

GFS hinting at rapid intensification. Has Sarika making landfall at 908mb? Previous frame was 921mb.

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Re: WPAC: SARIKA - Typhoon

#108 Postby euro6208 » Sun Oct 16, 2016 4:05 pm

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WDPN31 PGTW 162100
MSGID/GENADMIN/JOINT TYPHOON WRNCEN PEARL HARBOR HI//
SUBJ/PROGNOSTIC REASONING FOR TYPHOON 24W (SARIKA) WARNING NR 18//
RMKS/
1. FOR METEOROLOGISTS.
2. 6 HOUR SUMMARY AND ANALYSIS.
TYPHOON 24W (SARIKA), LOCATED APPROXIMATELY 329 NM SOUTH-
SOUTHEAST OF HONG KONG, HAS TRACKED WESTWARD AT 15 KNOTS OVER THE
PAST SIX HOURS. ANIMATED ENHANCED INFRARED (EIR) SATELLITE IMAGERY
SHOWS DEEP
CONVECTION WRAPPING AROUND A BROAD LOW-LEVEL CIRCULATION CENTER
(LLCC) THAT RESEMBLES A LARGE, RAGGED EYE FILLED WITH SCATTERED
SHALLOW CONVECTION. THE INITIAL POSITION IS PLACED WITH FAIR
CONFIDENCE USING EIR. THE INITIAL INTENSITY IS HELD AT 80 KNOTS
BASED ON DVORAK ESTIMATES OF T4.5 FROM ALL AGENCIES. ENVIRONMENTAL
CONDITIONS REMAIN FAVORABLE WITH LOW VERTICAL WIND SHEAR AND RADIAL
OUTFLOW OVER WARM SSTS. TY 24W IS TRACKING ALONG THE SOUTHERN
PERIPHERY OF THE DEEP-LAYERED SUBTROPICAL RIDGE (STR) TO THE NORTH.
3. FORECAST REASONING.
A. NO CHANGE TO THE FORECAST PHILOSOPHY SINCE THE PREVIOUS
PROGNOSTIC REASONING BULLETIN.
B. TY 24W WILL CONTINUE TO TRACK TOWARD THE WEST-NORTHWEST UNDER
THE STEERING INFLUENCE OF THE STR. FAVORABLE ENVIRONMENTAL
CONDITIONS WILL SUPPORT SOME INTENSIFICATION. HOWEVER, ONLY MODEST
INTENSIFICATION IS EXPECTED DUE TO THE CONVECTIVE ORGANIZATION OF TY
24W STILL ATTEMPTING TO RECOVER AFTER INTERACTION WITH LUZON. IF THE
LARGE AND RAGGED EYE CAN CONSOLIDATE WITH MORE CONVECTION DEVELOPING
NEAR THE LLCC, INTENSIFICATION SHOULD CONTINUE FOR THE NEXT 24 TO 30
HOURS PRIOR TO LANDFALL ON HAINAN ISLAND. AFTER TRAVERSING THE GULF
OF TONKIN, TY 24W IS EXPECTED TO MAKE FINAL LANDFALL IN EXTREME
NORTHERN VIETNAM RIGHT AROUND TY 72W.
C. BEYOND TAU 72, TY 24W IS EXPECTED TO RAPIDLY WEAKEN OVER LAND
AND DISSIPATE BY TAU 96 OVER NORTHERN VIETNAM AS IT TURNS TOWARD THE
NORTH. DYNAMIC MODEL GUIDANCE REMAINS IN GOOD AGREEMENT, LENDING
HIGH CONFIDENCE TO THE JTWC FORECAST TRACK WHICH IS POSITIONED CLOSE
TO THE MULTI-MODEL CONSENSUS.//
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Re: WPAC: SARIKA - Typhoon

#109 Postby mrbagyo » Sun Oct 16, 2016 6:17 pm

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Looks like Sarika is trying to build a new cdo
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Re: WPAC: SARIKA - Typhoon

#110 Postby euro6208 » Sun Oct 16, 2016 6:21 pm

mrbagyo wrote:Looks like Sarika is trying to build a new cdo


Its structure is just excellent. Build that center and significant intensification is possible.
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Re: WPAC: SARIKA - Typhoon

#111 Postby NotoSans » Sun Oct 16, 2016 6:43 pm

I am not leaning towards the GFS solutions. Luzon has definitely taken its toll on Sarika's core, and I would expect only steady intensification with such a broad structure. Of course the core is trying to re-organize on the latest satellite frames but it would take some time IMO.
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#112 Postby Digital-TC-Chaser » Sun Oct 16, 2016 7:59 pm

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looks to be strengthening and maybe a solid cat3 by landfall. Putting final wind strength aside,looks a massive rain event.
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Re: WPAC: SARIKA - Typhoon

#113 Postby euro6208 » Sun Oct 16, 2016 11:57 pm

WDPN31 PGTW 170300
MSGID/GENADMIN/JOINT TYPHOON WRNCEN PEARL HARBOR HI//
SUBJ/PROGNOSTIC REASONING FOR TYPHOON 24W (SARIKA) WARNING NR 19//
RMKS/
1. FOR METEOROLOGISTS.
2. 6 HOUR SUMMARY AND ANALYSIS.
TYPHOON 24W (SARIKA), LOCATED APPROXIMATELY 306 NM SOUTH OF HONG
KONG, HAS TRACKED WESTWARD AT 14 KNOTS OVER THE PAST SIX HOURS.
ANIMATED ENHANCED INFRARED (EIR) SATELLITE IMAGERY SHOWS DEEP
CONVECTION GRADUALLY FILLING IN CLOSER TO THE LOW-LEVEL CIRCULATION
CENTER (LLCC) WITH GOOD BANDING WRAPPING THROUGHOUT. THE INITIAL
POSITION IS PLACED WITH FAIR CONFIDENCE USING EIR. THE INITIAL
INTENSITY IS HELD AT 80 KNOTS BASED ON STEADY DVORAK CI OF T4.5 FROM
PGTW AND KNES. ENVIRONMENTAL CONDITIONS REMAIN FAVORABLE WITH LOW
VERTICAL WIND SHEAR AND RADIAL OUTFLOW OVER WARM SSTS. TY 24W IS
TRACKING ALONG THE SOUTHERN PERIPHERY OF THE DEEP-LAYERED
SUBTROPICAL RIDGE (STR) TO THE NORTH.
3. FORECAST REASONING.
A. NO CHANGE TO THE FORECAST PHILOSOPHY SINCE THE PREVIOUS
PROGNOSTIC REASONING BULLETIN.
B. TY 24W WILL CONTINUE TO TRACK TOWARD THE WEST-NORTHWEST UNDER
THE STEERING INFLUENCE OF THE STR. FAVORABLE ENVIRONMENTAL
CONDITIONS CONTINUE TO SUPPORT INTENSIFICATION, BUT THE CONVECTION
IS ONLY JUST NOW BEGINNING TO RECOVER FROM EARLIER INTERACTION WITH
LUZON. AS THE FLARING DEEP CONVECTION CONSOLIDATES FURTHER AROUND
THE LLCC, SOME SLIGHT INTENSIFICATION TO 85 KNOTS IS EXPECTED IN THE
NEXT 12 HOURS BEFORE INTERACTION WITH HAINAN ISLAND BEGINS AROUND
TAU 24. AFTER CROSSING THE GULF OF TONKIN, TY 24W IS EXPECTED TO
MAKE FINAL LANDFALL IN EXTREME NORTHERN VIETNAM AROUND TAU 60,
FOLLOWED BY DISSIPATION OVER LAND AROUND TAU 72. DYNAMIC MODEL
GUIDANCE REMAINS IN GOOD AGREEMENT, LENDING HIGH CONFIDENCE TO THE
JTWC FORECAST TRACK WHICH IS POSITIONED CLOSE TO THE MULTI-MODEL
CONSENSUS.//
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Re: WPAC: SARIKA - Typhoon

#114 Postby Digital-TC-Chaser » Mon Oct 17, 2016 2:15 am

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Multiplatform tropical cyclone surface winds analysis.
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Re: WPAC: SARIKA - Typhoon

#115 Postby Digital-TC-Chaser » Mon Oct 17, 2016 4:26 am

UW - CIMSS
ADVANCED DVORAK TECHNIQUE
ADT-Version 8.2.1
Tropical Cyclone Intensity Algorithm

----- Current Analysis -----
Date : 17 OCT 2016 Time : 084000 UTC
Lat : 17:49:39 N Lon : 112:48:57 E


CI# /Pressure/ Vmax
5.6 / 951.0mb/104.6kt


Final T# Adj T# Raw T#
5.2 5.1 5.1

Estimated radius of max. wind based on IR :N/A km

Center Temp : -31.8C Cloud Region Temp : -64.4C

Scene Type : EYE

Positioning Method : SPIRAL ANALYSIS

Ocean Basin : WEST PACIFIC
Dvorak CI > MSLP Conversion Used : CKZ Method

Tno/CI Rules : Constraint Limits : NO LIMIT
Weakening Flag : ON
Rapid Dissipation Flag : FLAG

C/K/Z MSLP Estimate Inputs :
- Average 34 knot radii : 122km
- Environmental MSLP : 1006mb

Satellite Name : HIM-8
Satellite Viewing Angle : 38.3 degrees

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Re: WPAC: SARIKA - Typhoon

#116 Postby euro6208 » Mon Oct 17, 2016 5:06 am

80 knots

WDPN31 PGTW 170900
MSGID/GENADMIN/JOINT TYPHOON WRNCEN PEARL HARBOR HI//
SUBJ/PROGNOSTIC REASONING FOR TYPHOON 24W (SARIKA) WARNING NR 20//
RMKS/
1. FOR METEOROLOGISTS.
2. 6 HOUR SUMMARY AND ANALYSIS.
TYPHOON 24W (SARIKA), LOCATED APPROXIMATELY 454 NM EAST-SOUTHEAST
OF HANOI, VIETNAM, HAS TRACKED WEST-NORTHWESTWARD AT 12 KNOTS OVER
THE PAST SIX HOURS. ANIMATED MULTISPECTRAL SATELLITE IMAGERY SHOWS
THE SYSTEM HAS MAINTAINED OVERALL DEEP CENTRAL CONVECTION AS IT
DEVELOPED A RAGGED 7NM EYE. THE INITIAL POSITION IS PLACED WITH FAIR
CONFIDENCE BASED ON THE EYE FEATURE. THE INITIAL INTENSITY IS HELD AT
80 KNOTS BASED ON STEADY DVORAK CI OF T4.5 FROM REPORTING AGENCIES.
ENVIRONMENTAL CONDITIONS REMAIN FAVORABLE WITH LOW VERTICAL WIND
SHEAR AND RADIAL OUTFLOW OVER WARM SSTS. TY 24W IS TRACKING ALONG THE
SOUTHERN PERIPHERY OF THE DEEP-LAYERED SUBTROPICAL RIDGE (STR) TO THE
NORTH.
3. FORECAST REASONING.
A. NO CHANGE TO THE FORECAST PHILOSOPHY SINCE THE PREVIOUS
PROGNOSTIC REASONING BULLETIN.
B. TY 24W WILL CONTINUE TO TRACK WEST-NORTHWESTWARD UNDER THE
STEERING INFLUENCE OF THE STR. FAVORABLE ENVIRONMENTAL CONDITIONS
WILL PERSIST OVER THE NEXT 12 HOURS BEFORE INTERACTION WITH HAINAN
ISLAND BEGINS. AFTER CROSSING THE GULF OF TONKIN, TY 24W IS EXPECTED
TO MAKE FINAL LANDFALL NEAR THE VIETNAM-CHINA BORDER BY TAU 48,
FOLLOWED BY DISSIPATION OVER LAND BY TAU 72. DYNAMIC MODEL GUIDANCE,
ALBEIT LIMITED, REMAINS IN GOOD AGREEMENT, LENDING HIGH CONFIDENCE TO
THE JTWC FORECAST TRACK WHICH IS POSITIONED CLOSE TO THE MULTI-MODEL
CONSENSUS.//
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Re: WPAC: SARIKA - Typhoon

#117 Postby Digital-TC-Chaser » Mon Oct 17, 2016 5:11 am

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Re: WPAC: SARIKA - Typhoon

#118 Postby NotoSans » Mon Oct 17, 2016 5:18 am

Looks like a typical storm that is struggling to re-organize its inner core after crossing Luzon. Kinda reminds me of Typhoon Utor in 2013. It still has some time to re-consolidate thoguh.
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Re: WPAC: SARIKA - Typhoon

#119 Postby euro6208 » Mon Oct 17, 2016 5:22 am

Alyono wrote:
euro6208 wrote:
Alyono wrote:My landfall estimate is 95 kts

Did not seem to have the organization typically seen with 100kt plus storms


I thought looks don't matter right in the Atlantic? :lol:


just stop with your over hyping, please. In the Atlantic, we have AIRCRAFT. Looks do not matter there. In the Pacific, we nearly only have Dvorak and some satellite data. Given the open eyewall, as well as the cool eye on IR, a reasonable determination can be made this was weaker than the raw DTs had this at (and one should NEVER use raw DTs to make an intensity estimate


Well that's what I've been saying. Looks don't matter. Following Atlantic storms, recon always led Dvorak and satellite 80 percent of the time. Not hyping just stating the fact.
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Re: WPAC: SARIKA - Typhoon

#120 Postby Digital-TC-Chaser » Mon Oct 17, 2016 5:59 am

Typhoon No. 21 (Sarika)
2016 October 17, day 18 hour 40 minute presentation

<Commentary o'clock 17 18>
size -
strength strong
Presence area South China Sea
Center position North latitude 17 degrees 30 minutes (17.5 degrees)
East longitude 112 degrees 30 minutes (112.5 degrees)
Direction of travel, speed WNW 20km / h (12kt)
Central pressure 965hPa
Maximum wind speed near the center 40m / s (75kt)
Maximum instantaneous wind speed 55m / s (105kt)
25m / s or more of the storm area The entire 70km (40NM)
15m / s or more of the strong wind area The entire 390km (210NM)

<Forecast o'clock 18 06>
strength Intense
Presence area South China Sea
The center of the circle forecast North latitude 18 degrees 25 minutes (18.4 degrees)
East longitude 111 degrees 05 minutes (111.1 degrees)
Direction of travel, speed WNW 15km / h (8kt)
Central pressure 950hPa
Maximum wind speed near the center 45m / s (85kt)
Maximum instantaneous wind speed 60m / s (120kt)
The radius of the circle forecast 60km (30NM)
Storm warning area The entire 150km (80NM)


With Maximum instantaneous wind speed 55m / s (105kt) gusts.= 194 kmh/s not really not what i would call 'typical storm that is struggling to re-organize'
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