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Re: ATL: THIRTEEN - Tropical Depression - Discussion

#21 Postby cycloneye » Tue Sep 05, 2017 3:46 pm

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Re: ATL: THIRTEEN - Tropical Depression - Discussion

#22 Postby bob rulz » Tue Sep 05, 2017 4:07 pm

We're experiencing one of those periods where everything that spins up in the tropics develops. At least this one isn't expected to be strong, though potentially a big rainmaker for Mexico
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Re: ATL: THIRTEEN - Tropical Depression - Discussion

#23 Postby 1900hurricane » Wed Sep 06, 2017 1:46 am

06Z best track update is up to 35 kt.

AL, 13, 2017090606, , BEST, 0, 222N, 964W, 35, 1006, TS, 34, NEQ, 40, 40, 20, 20, 1012, 120, 30, 0, 0, L, 0, , 0, 0, KATIA, M,
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Re: ATL: THIRTEEN - Tropical Depression - Discussion

#24 Postby bob rulz » Wed Sep 06, 2017 4:07 am

Officially Katia now.
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Re: ATL: KATIA - Tropical Storm - Discussion

#25 Postby Nimbus » Wed Sep 06, 2017 5:57 am

Guess the models don't think Katia is far enough north for the trough to dig it out into the BOC?
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ATL: KATIA - Recon

#26 Postby Extratropical94 » Wed Sep 06, 2017 8:05 am

This is for the datasets and recon graphics from all the missions into TS KATIA beginning in a few hours.
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ATL: KATIA - Recon Discussion

#27 Postby Extratropical94 » Wed Sep 06, 2017 8:07 am

Discussion thread for the recon missions into KATIA.

The first mission is scheduled for 11am EDT / 10am CDT.

2. SUSPECT AREA (GULF OF MEXICO)
FLIGHT ONE -- TEL 72 FLIGHT TWO -- TEAL 73
A. 06/1800Z A. 07/1200Z
B. AFXXX 01DDA INVEST B. AFXXX 0212A CYCLONE
C. 06/1500Z C. 07/0945Z
D. 21.5N 96.0W D. 21.5N 95.5W
E. 06/1730Z TO 06/2100Z E. 07/1130Z TO 07/1430Z
F. SFC TO 10,000 FT F. SFC TO 10,000 FT


SUCCEEDING DAY OUTLOOK: CONTINUE 6-HRLY FIXES ON IRMA. 12-HRLY
FIXES IF SUSPECT AREA DEVELOPS.
G-IV MISSIONS EVER 12 HRS
STARTING 08/0530Z.


As the 'suspect area' has already developed into a TS, we should see 12-hrly mission fixes beginning today.
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Re: ATL: THIRTEEN - Models

#28 Postby Extratropical94 » Wed Sep 06, 2017 8:10 am

Latest guidance, also thread title needs to be updated to KATIA.

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Re: ATL: KATIA - Tropical Storm - Discussion

#29 Postby Extratropical94 » Wed Sep 06, 2017 9:36 am

Tropical Storm Katia Advisory Number 4
NWS National Hurricane Center Miami FL AL132017
1000 AM CDT Wed Sep 06 2017

...KATIA MOVING LITTLE IN THE SOUTHWESTERN GULF OF MEXICO...
...FORECAST TO BECOME A HURRICANE...


SUMMARY OF 1000 AM CDT...1500 UTC...INFORMATION
-----------------------------------------------
LOCATION...21.7N 95.9W
ABOUT 135 MI...215 KM ESE OF TAMPICO MEXICO
ABOUT 175 MI...280 KM N OF VERACRUZ MEXICO
MAXIMUM SUSTAINED WINDS...45 MPH...75 KM/H
PRESENT MOVEMENT...ESE OR 120 DEGREES AT 5 MPH...7 KM/H
MINIMUM CENTRAL PRESSURE...1004 MB...29.65 INCHES


WATCHES AND WARNINGS
--------------------
There are no coastal watches or warnings in effect.

A Hurricane Watch could be required for portions of the Mexican
state of Veracruz later today.


Tropical Storm Katia Discussion Number 4
NWS National Hurricane Center Miami FL AL132017
1000 AM CDT Wed Sep 06 2017

Satellite and microwave data indicate that the cloud pattern
associated with Katia is gradually becoming better organized with
abundant convection near the center and improving outflow. An
average of subjective numbers from TAFB and SAB as well as
objective Dvorak T-numbers from CIMMS yield an initial intensity of
40 kt, or perhaps a little bit higher. An Air Force plane will
check Katia later today, and we will have a better estimate of the
structure of the cyclone.

Currently, the upper-level wind pattern is not very conducive for
strengthening, but most of the global models as well as the SHIPS
guidance indicate that the environment will become favorable with
weaker shear. On this basis, the NHC forecast calls for Katia to
become a hurricane before it approaches the coast of the state of
Veracruz.


Katia is embedded within weak steering currents, and the cyclone
will most likely meander in the southwestern Gulf of Mexico
for the next day or two. After that time global models develop a
ridge over the northern Gulf of Mexico and this flow pattern will
steer Katia southwestward toward the state of Veracruz. The NHC
forecast is basically on top of the multi-model consensus and is
not very different from the previous NHC track.

Given the upward intensity trend and the forecast track toward
the coast, a hurricane watch could be required for a portion of
the coast of the state of Veracruz later today. This system is
forecast to bring very heavy rains primarily to the state of
Veracruz during the next few days.


FORECAST POSITIONS AND MAX WINDS

INIT 06/1500Z 21.7N 95.9W 40 KT 45 MPH
12H 07/0000Z 21.4N 95.4W 50 KT 60 MPH
24H 07/1200Z 21.0N 95.0W 55 KT 65 MPH
36H 08/0000Z 21.0N 95.2W 60 KT 70 MPH
48H 08/1200Z 20.7N 95.4W 65 KT 75 MPH
72H 09/1200Z 19.5N 97.0W 25 KT 30 MPH...POST-TROP/INLAND
96H 10/1200Z...DISSIPATED

$$
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Re: ATL: KATIA - Recon

#30 Postby Extratropical94 » Wed Sep 06, 2017 9:53 am

Ready for action!

URNT15 KNHC 061448
AF308 0113A KATIA HDOB 01 20170906
143830 3024N 08855W 0141 ///// 0133 +255 +183 000000 000 /// /// 23
143900 3024N 08855W 0141 ///// 0132 +253 +183 000000 000 /// /// 23
143930 3024N 08855W 0141 ///// 0132 +249 +184 000000 000 /// /// 23
144000 3024N 08855W 0140 ///// 0133 +248 +184 000000 000 /// /// 23
144030 3024N 08855W 0141 ///// 0133 +247 +184 000000 000 /// /// 23
144100 3024N 08855W 0140 ///// 0133 +246 +184 000000 000 /// /// 23
144130 3024N 08855W 0141 ///// 0133 +250 +185 000000 000 /// /// 23
144200 3024N 08855W 0141 ///// 0133 +250 +185 000000 000 /// /// 23
144230 3024N 08855W 0141 ///// 0133 +251 +185 000000 000 /// /// 23
144300 3024N 08855W 0140 ///// 0133 +254 +186 000000 000 /// /// 23
144330 3024N 08855W 0133 ///// 0132 +254 +187 000000 000 /// /// 23
144400 3024N 08855W 0142 ///// 0134 +240 +190 000000 000 /// /// 23
144430 3024N 08855W 0142 ///// 0134 +235 +193 000000 000 /// /// 23
144500 3024N 08855W 0141 ///// 0134 +232 +195 000000 000 /// /// 23
144530 3024N 08855W 0141 ///// 0134 +231 +197 000000 000 /// /// 23
144600 3024N 08855W 0142 ///// 0134 +230 +198 000000 000 /// /// 23
144630 3024N 08856W 0141 ///// 0134 +234 +199 000000 000 /// /// 23
144700 3024N 08856W 0141 ///// 0132 +235 +199 000000 000 /// /// 23
144730 3024N 08856W 0141 ///// 0132 +235 +200 000000 000 /// /// 23
144800 3024N 08856W 0138 ///// 0131 +235 +200 000000 000 /// /// 23
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Re: ATL: KATIA - Recon

#31 Postby Extratropical94 » Wed Sep 06, 2017 11:49 am

Descending to 850 mb:

URNT15 KNHC 061648
AF308 0113A KATIA HDOB 13 20170906
163830 2329N 09403W 6145 04242 0134 +029 //// 101014 015 025 005 01
163900 2328N 09405W 6305 04031 //// +031 //// 092015 015 025 004 01
163930 2327N 09406W 6473 03815 //// +042 //// 093012 015 025 003 01
164000 2325N 09408W 6648 03601 //// +052 //// 104006 010 025 003 01
164030 2324N 09410W 6822 03383 0120 +072 +072 149006 007 024 002 01
164100 2323N 09412W 6992 03178 0125 +083 +076 157002 006 022 002 00
164130 2322N 09413W 7171 02959 0122 +093 +083 212004 006 021 000 00
164200 2321N 09415W 7351 02751 //// +091 //// 130008 011 023 003 01
164230 2319N 09417W 7537 02540 //// +103 //// 133011 011 021 004 01
164300 2318N 09418W 7681 02379 //// +111 //// 122014 016 023 004 01
164330 2317N 09420W 7823 02238 0149 +120 //// 124014 016 026 005 01
164400 2316N 09422W 7969 02079 0156 +124 //// 131019 020 026 006 01
164430 2315N 09423W 8115 01923 0146 +131 //// 136014 020 026 006 01
164500 2314N 09425W 8268 01759 0145 +136 +136 144017 019 026 006 00
164530 2313N 09427W 8415 01609 0138 +149 +140 150015 017 029 004 00
164600 2311N 09428W 8471 01552 0134 +155 +141 148013 017 027 004 00
164630 2310N 09430W 8409 01614 0137 +148 +143 118010 011 030 012 00
164700 2309N 09431W 8433 01588 0148 +141 +141 100014 017 034 014 00
164730 2308N 09433W 8428 01593 0149 +141 +141 102013 014 034 013 00
164800 2307N 09434W 8427 01597 0144 +142 //// 099017 018 029 007 01
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Re: ATL: KATIA - Recon

#32 Postby Extratropical94 » Wed Sep 06, 2017 11:59 am

Further descending to 925 mb:

URNT15 KNHC 061658
AF308 0113A KATIA HDOB 14 20170906
164830 2306N 09436W 8429 01593 0139 +147 +143 106017 018 029 008 00
164900 2305N 09438W 8440 01583 0139 +146 +142 106012 017 029 007 00
164930 2304N 09439W 8428 01591 0141 +141 +140 105012 013 029 007 00
165000 2303N 09441W 8425 01595 0143 +139 +139 104012 013 030 007 00
165030 2301N 09442W 8434 01589 0140 +141 +140 106013 014 031 008 00
165100 2300N 09444W 8429 01593 0137 +146 +141 100016 017 034 009 00
165130 2259N 09445W 8429 01593 0145 +139 +139 114020 025 032 008 00
165200 2258N 09447W 8444 01574 0148 +137 +137 136023 029 040 031 03
165230 2257N 09448W 8422 01597 0141 +140 +138 137015 018 038 014 00
165300 2256N 09449W 8477 01541 0135 +145 +137 133023 025 041 018 00
165330 2255N 09451W 8563 01450 0144 +134 +134 141027 027 040 025 00
165400 2254N 09452W 8633 01378 0138 +138 +134 152020 026 044 043 00
165430 2253N 09454W 8697 01311 0134 +142 +134 111007 016 044 034 00
165500 2252N 09455W 8777 01237 0142 +138 +135 116015 017 040 055 00
165530 2251N 09457W 8906 01128 0147 +160 +136 122020 021 040 023 00
165600 2250N 09458W 9046 00981 0139 +170 +136 116018 020 036 014 00
165630 2249N 09459W 9180 00850 0133 +168 +139 060018 025 040 044 03
165700 2248N 09501W 9241 00792 0130 +186 +143 097015 017 042 036 00
165730 2247N 09502W 9248 00787 0125 +199 +149 095014 014 025 005 00
165800 2246N 09504W 9267 00770 0125 +201 +155 088015 016 022 003 00
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Re: ATL: KATIA - Recon

#33 Postby Extratropical94 » Wed Sep 06, 2017 12:09 pm

Descending to 975 mb

URNT15 KNHC 061708
AF308 0113A KATIA HDOB 15 20170906
165830 2245N 09505W 9466 00578 0115 +214 +162 082014 016 021 001 00
165900 2244N 09506W 9642 00419 0114 +222 +171 074012 013 022 001 00
165930 2242N 09508W 9756 00313 0112 +226 +180 053013 014 023 001 00
170000 2241N 09509W 9783 00286 0109 +229 +189 044015 016 023 001 00
170030 2240N 09510W 9778 00290 0107 +230 +198 054015 016 025 001 00
170100 2239N 09511W 9772 00295 0106 +230 +206 054014 015 026 001 00
170130 2238N 09513W 9778 00288 0105 +230 +212 049015 016 023 000 00
170200 2237N 09514W 9770 00294 0104 +232 +217 048014 014 024 001 00
170230 2235N 09515W 9770 00294 0103 +233 +221 049016 017 025 002 00
170300 2234N 09517W 9767 00297 0102 +233 +225 050017 018 025 001 00
170330 2233N 09518W 9768 00297 0103 +235 +229 052016 018 023 001 00
170400 2232N 09519W 9775 00289 0104 +231 +229 064016 017 025 011 03
170430 2231N 09520W 9765 00296 0105 +225 +225 089015 017 052 036 00
170500 2230N 09522W 9773 00289 0101 +229 +229 095016 017 027 004 00
170530 2228N 09523W 9792 00272 0100 +232 +226 088017 018 023 002 00
170600 2227N 09524W 9793 00270 0100 +235 +225 086019 020 015 003 03
170630 2225N 09524W 9787 00275 0099 +233 +227 094016 017 022 001 00
170700 2224N 09523W 9776 00284 0098 +227 //// 094016 017 020 000 01
170730 2223N 09523W 9769 00289 //// +225 //// 100016 018 023 000 01
170800 2221N 09523W 9772 00286 //// +225 //// 099017 018 023 000 01
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Re: ATL: KATIA - Recon

#34 Postby Extratropical94 » Wed Sep 06, 2017 12:20 pm

URNT15 KNHC 061718
AF308 0113A KATIA HDOB 16 20170906
170830 2220N 09522W 9776 00281 //// +224 //// 099016 017 023 000 01
170900 2218N 09522W 9772 00284 //// +222 //// 103017 017 023 000 01
170930 2217N 09521W 9772 00282 //// +223 //// 100017 017 023 000 01
171000 2215N 09521W 9768 00286 //// +223 //// 095017 017 023 000 01
171030 2214N 09520W 9766 00285 //// +224 //// 094018 018 022 001 01
171100 2212N 09520W 9767 00284 //// +221 //// 097020 020 023 001 01
171130 2211N 09520W 9767 00282 //// +221 //// 103020 021 026 001 01
171200 2210N 09519W 9765 00282 //// +224 //// 099022 023 027 002 01
171230 2208N 09519W 9762 00284 //// +223 //// 095024 025 028 001 01
171300 2207N 09518W 9675 00358 //// +217 //// 096024 025 030 002 05
171330 2205N 09518W 9338 00666 //// +211 //// 089023 024 029 006 01
171400 2204N 09518W 9253 00750 0085 +209 //// 085023 023 032 005 01
171430 2202N 09517W 9256 00745 0084 +207 //// 085026 028 032 005 01
171500 2201N 09517W 9258 00741 0082 +202 +202 082028 029 032 005 00
171530 2159N 09516W 9228 00765 0077 +197 //// 087030 031 032 005 01
171600 2158N 09516W 9234 00754 0068 +201 +200 085033 035 031 002 01
171630 2156N 09515W 9270 00714 0059 +200 +197 082037 038 037 001 01
171700 2155N 09515W 9257 00719 //// +195 //// 082041 042 041 001 01
171730 2153N 09515W 9231 00735 0042 +192 //// 082046 047 042 005 01
171800 2152N 09514W 9226 00723 0027 +190 //// 081048 051 047 003 01
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Re: ATL: KATIA - Recon

#35 Postby Extratropical94 » Wed Sep 06, 2017 12:29 pm

URNT15 KNHC 061727
AF308 0113A KATIA HDOB 17 20170906
171830 2150N 09514W 9189 00739 0000 +201 +192 070045 048 049 000 03
171900 2149N 09513W 9175 00730 9972 +217 +191 060041 046 049 000 03
171930 2147N 09513W 9174 00712 9946 +235 +192 074024 037 041 001 03
172000 2146N 09512W 9176 00704 9941 +229 +197 056006 016 022 000 00
172030 2145N 09511W 9192 00687 9940 +233 +203 271012 021 021 001 03
172100 2143N 09511W 9211 00675 9948 +221 +209 265031 035 035 003 00
172130 2142N 09512W 9168 00724 9957 +220 +215 276045 050 050 001 00
172200 2141N 09512W 9192 00719 //// +213 //// 283053 055 052 001 05
172230 2140N 09513W 9196 00731 //// +211 //// 290055 056 052 001 01
172300 2139N 09515W 9177 00765 //// +211 //// 290055 055 052 003 01
172330 2138N 09516W 9179 00776 //// +215 //// 292052 055 048 004 01
172400 2137N 09517W 9182 00784 //// +210 //// 296048 050 045 004 01
172430 2136N 09518W 9182 00792 //// +207 //// 298045 046 041 004 01
172500 2135N 09519W 9173 00805 //// +206 //// 297040 043 039 002 01
172530 2134N 09520W 9179 00806 //// +208 //// 298036 038 033 001 05
172600 2133N 09521W 9179 00810 //// +208 //// 300033 035 032 001 01
172630 2132N 09522W 9182 00810 //// +200 //// 299030 031 029 001 01
172700 2131N 09524W 9178 00816 //// +197 //// 300029 030 029 001 01
172730 2130N 09525W 9182 00816 //// +197 //// 302029 029 026 001 01
172800 2129N 09526W 9177 00824 //// +197 //// 300026 028 026 001 01
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#36 Postby Extratropical94 » Wed Sep 06, 2017 12:31 pm

Center pass: 994 mb extrapolated pressure
56 kt FL winds
52 kt SFMR winds

Stronger than expected.
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Re: ATL: KATIA - Tropical Storm - Discussion

#37 Postby CrazyC83 » Wed Sep 06, 2017 12:33 pm

Look for a Special Advisory shortly - latest data supports 65 mph winds, and I think they will up the forecast intensity (maybe to cat 2?).
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Re: ATL: KATIA - Recon

#38 Postby Extratropical94 » Wed Sep 06, 2017 12:40 pm

URNT15 KNHC 061738
AF308 0113A KATIA HDOB 18 20170906
172830 2128N 09527W 9177 00825 //// +200 //// 297027 029 025 001 01
172900 2127N 09528W 9180 00824 //// +200 //// 294029 030 025 002 01
172930 2126N 09529W 9179 00827 //// +199 //// 294027 029 025 001 01
173000 2125N 09531W 9180 00826 //// +195 //// 291025 027 023 001 01
173030 2124N 09532W 9175 00833 //// +191 //// 302022 025 030 003 01
173100 2123N 09533W 9190 00818 0104 +192 //// 297022 027 036 019 01
173130 2122N 09534W 9174 00835 0106 +190 +190 287031 033 036 019 00
173200 2121N 09535W 9226 00786 0102 +188 +188 290033 035 041 017 00
173230 2120N 09536W 9244 00769 0106 +180 +180 284033 033 041 019 00
173300 2119N 09538W 9250 00761 0106 +179 +176 282031 035 041 039 00
173330 2118N 09539W 9248 00770 0102 +195 +171 291031 033 034 016 00
173400 2117N 09540W 9251 00767 0101 +203 +167 293032 032 031 007 00
173430 2116N 09541W 9248 00770 0102 +204 +165 291031 032 030 003 00
173500 2115N 09542W 9249 00768 0105 +194 +166 284029 031 033 014 03
173530 2114N 09543W 9247 00772 0104 +200 +169 284032 032 037 009 00
173600 2113N 09544W 9250 00770 0102 +206 +170 285030 031 028 000 00
173630 2112N 09545W 9242 00778 0107 +195 +173 285031 033 030 003 00
173700 2111N 09547W 9238 00782 0105 +203 +175 284033 034 032 002 00
173730 2110N 09548W 9255 00766 0104 +205 +177 283033 033 032 001 00
173800 2109N 09549W 9388 00640 0103 +211 +180 285034 035 032 001 00
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Re: ATL: KATIA - Tropical Storm - Discussion

#39 Postby Blinhart » Wed Sep 06, 2017 12:44 pm

CrazyC83 wrote:Look for a Special Advisory shortly - latest data supports 65 mph winds, and I think they will up the forecast intensity (maybe to cat 2?).


My question is will it become strong enough to actually go North instead of keeping doing the loop into Mexico?
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Re: ATL: KATIA - Recon

#40 Postby Extratropical94 » Wed Sep 06, 2017 12:50 pm

URNT15 KNHC 061748
AF308 0113A KATIA HDOB 19 20170906
173830 2108N 09550W 9588 00448 0098 +222 +184 281034 035 033 001 00
173900 2107N 09551W 9725 00332 0100 +231 +188 282035 037 032 000 03
173930 2106N 09552W 9768 00292 0099 +234 +194 280034 036 032 000 00
174000 2105N 09553W 9750 00308 0100 +230 +200 280035 035 032 001 00
174030 2104N 09554W 9770 00292 0101 +231 +205 278036 036 032 000 00
174100 2103N 09555W 9754 00306 0101 +230 +209 279036 037 032 000 00
174130 2102N 09556W 9764 00297 0102 +231 +212 280034 035 035 000 00
174200 2101N 09557W 9780 00285 0103 +231 +215 282035 036 035 001 00
174230 2100N 09558W 9762 00301 0104 +230 +217 282034 035 032 000 00
174300 2100N 09559W 9769 00296 0104 +230 +219 279035 035 034 000 00
174330 2059N 09601W 9773 00293 0105 +230 +221 282036 036 034 000 00
174400 2058N 09602W 9761 00304 0105 +230 +222 282035 037 033 000 00
174430 2057N 09603W 9769 00297 0105 +232 +223 283034 036 032 001 00
174500 2056N 09604W 9766 00300 0106 +234 +224 284033 035 030 002 00
174530 2055N 09605W 9773 00295 0107 +235 +225 285034 035 031 001 00
174600 2054N 09606W 9768 00300 0108 +235 +226 285036 037 032 002 00
174630 2053N 09607W 9773 00297 0109 +235 +227 288035 036 030 003 03
174700 2052N 09606W 9757 00310 0108 +235 +229 283034 037 /// /// 03
174730 2052N 09604W 9772 00297 0108 +235 +232 280033 034 031 000 00
174800 2052N 09602W 9770 00298 0107 +235 +234 280034 035 033 000 01
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