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Re: ATL: EMILY - Tropical Depression - Discussion

#261 Postby cycloneye » Mon Jul 31, 2017 9:47 pm

...EMILY MOVING EASTWARD ACROSS CENTRAL FLORIDA JUST NORTH OF LAKE
OKEECHOBEE...
...HEAVY RAINFALL STILL POSSIBLE ACROSS SOUTHERN FLORIDA...


SUMMARY OF 1100 PM EDT...0300 UTC...INFORMATION
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LOCATION...27.5N 81.0W
ABOUT 35 MI...60 KM W OF VERO BEACH FLORIDA
MAXIMUM SUSTAINED WINDS...30 MPH...45 KM/H
PRESENT MOVEMENT...E OR 95 DEGREES AT 9 MPH...15 KM/H
MINIMUM CENTRAL PRESSURE...1010 MB...29.83 INCHES


Tropical Depression Emily Discussion Number 5
NWS National Hurricane Center Miami FL AL062017
1100 PM EDT Mon Jul 31 2017

Mesonet observations from the area north and northwest of Lake
Okeechobee indicate that Emily has an elongated surface
circulation. Although some deep convection has redeveloped near
and to the east of the center, Doppler velocity data from the Tampa
and Melbourne WSR-88D radars only show winds of 30-35 kt at an
elevation of about 5000 ft. Therefore, Emily's maximum sustained
surface winds are estimated to be 25 kt, primarily within the
thunderstorm activity east and southeast of the center.

Emily's center, as seen on radar, has been moving east-southeastward
for much of the evening. However, it seems to have recently turned
eastward, and the initial motion estimate is 095/8 kt. Emily is
embedded within the base of a mid-level trough that lies off the
southeastern coast of the United States, and the subtropical ridge
to the east should cause the cyclone to turn northeastward soon,
move off the east-central Florida coast early Tuesday, and then
accelerate over the western Atlantic during the next several days.
Although all of the track models agree on this scenario, the GFS is
a notable outlier compared to the other models, showing a slower
solution that leans more to the left. Because the other models are
so tightly clustered, the updated NHC track forecast leans closer
to them and is a little bit faster than the previous forecast.

There is low confidence in how strong Emily will get, or what
exactly it will be, during the next few days. The global models
keep Emily embedded within or near a weak frontal zone while it
moves across the western Atlantic, suggesting that the cyclone's
center may not move continuously but rather jump and reform from
time to time along the boundary. These models also do not show
Emily restrengthening much, even over the warm ocean, and
phase-space diagrams suggest that the cyclone may become more cold
core during the next few days. On the other hand, the more tropical
models, like SHIPS and HWRF, show a little bit more
re-intensification. Given that vertical shear is forecast to
increase, and that Emily likely isn't purely tropical to begin
with, the new NHC intensity forecast sides with the global models
just a little bit more than SHIPS and HWRF. Based on this, Emily
is forecast to intensify just a bit and become extratropical in
about 48 hours. The extratropical low is expected to dissipate by
day 5.

The primary threat with Emily continues to be locally heavy rainfall
across portions of the southern Florida peninsula and the Florida
Keys overnight.

FORECAST POSITIONS AND MAX WINDS

INIT 01/0300Z 27.5N 81.0W 25 KT 30 MPH...INLAND OVER FLORIDA
12H 01/1200Z 28.7N 79.2W 30 KT 35 MPH...OVER WATER
24H 02/0000Z 30.4N 77.0W 30 KT 35 MPH
36H 02/1200Z 32.1N 74.6W 30 KT 35 MPH
48H 03/0000Z 33.7N 71.8W 35 KT 40 MPH...POST-TROP/EXTRATROP
72H 04/0000Z 36.6N 65.7W 35 KT 40 MPH...POST-TROP/EXTRATROP
96H 05/0000Z 38.5N 58.0W 35 KT 40 MPH...POST-TROP/EXTRATROP
120H 06/0000Z...DISSIPATED

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Re: ATL: EMILY - Tropical Depression - Discussion

#262 Postby wxman57 » Mon Jul 31, 2017 10:07 pm

Looks like it's done, to me. Remnant low now. Depression in name only.
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Re: ATL: EMILY - Tropical Depression - Discussion

#263 Postby Aric Dunn » Mon Jul 31, 2017 10:58 pm

Finally starting to accelerate e to ene.. should be back offshore in a couple hours.
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Re: ATL: EMILY - Tropical Depression - Discussion

#264 Postby Aric Dunn » Tue Aug 01, 2017 1:37 am

The elongated circ is now offshore melbourne..
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Re: ATL: EMILY - Tropical Depression - Discussion

#265 Postby beoumont » Tue Aug 01, 2017 2:07 am

SE eyewall passed over my house here in Vero Beach a short while ago. Winds howled at 15 mph; airport had gusts to 23 mph.
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Re: ATL: EMILY - Tropical Depression - Discussion

#266 Postby cycloneye » Tue Aug 01, 2017 4:57 am

Tropical Depression Emily Discussion Number 6
NWS National Hurricane Center Miami FL AL062017
500 AM EDT Tue Aug 01 2017

Radar and surface observations over east-central Florida indicate
that Emily's circulation has become quite elongated. Water vapor
imagery also shows that drier mid-level air has moved over the
northwestern portion of the circulation, which has limited the
amount of convection near the center overnight. Some deep
convection is noted along a trough axis well to the northeast of
Emily. Earlier ASCAT data revealed a few 20-25 kt wind vectors just
off the coast of Florida to the southeast of the center, so the
initial intensity remains 25 kt for this advisory.

Emily has been moving east-northeastward overnight. The cyclone
remains embedded within the base of a mid-level trough that extends
southwestward just off the southeastern United States coast. As
this trough lifts out, Emily should accelerate northeastward between
the western Atlantic ridge and another mid-level trough that will
approach the southeast United States in a day or so. The global
models shifted slightly westward this cycle, and the new NHC
track has been nudged in that direction.

The intensity forecast remains quite uncertain. Since Emily's
circulation has become less defined and is near a weak frontal
zone, it is possible that that system will be absorbed within the
larger trough axis. For now, the NHC forecast assumes that Emily
will maintain its identity and have a chance to restrengthen over
the western Atlantic. Although the shear is not forecast to be
prohibitive during the next day or so, the current structure and
nearby dry air suggest any deepening should be slow to occur. This
is supported by the global models which do not indicate much
intensification. The NHC forecast is a little below the previous
advisory and is close to guidance provided by the NOAA Ocean
Prediction Center. Emily is forecast to become extratropical in
about 36 hours, but it could dissipate or become post-tropical
sooner than that.


FORECAST POSITIONS AND MAX WINDS

INIT 01/0900Z 28.3N 80.1W 25 KT 30 MPH
12H 01/1800Z 29.4N 78.6W 25 KT 30 MPH
24H 02/0600Z 31.0N 76.5W 30 KT 35 MPH
36H 02/1800Z 32.8N 73.6W 30 KT 35 MPH...POST-TROP/EXTRATROP
48H 03/0600Z 34.4N 70.4W 30 KT 35 MPH...POST-TROP/EXTRATROP
72H 04/0600Z 37.0N 64.0W 30 KT 35 MPH...POST-TROP/EXTRATROP
96H 05/0600Z 38.5N 57.0W 30 KT 35 MPH...POST-TROP/EXTRATROP
120H 06/0600Z...DISSIPATED

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Re: ATL: EMILY - Tropical Depression - Discussion

#267 Postby cycloneye » Tue Aug 01, 2017 9:51 am

Tropical Depression Emily Discussion Number 7
NWS National Hurricane Center Miami FL AL062017
1100 AM EDT Tue Aug 01 2017

After an earlier convective hiatus, recent satellite, radar, and
lightning data indicate that thunderstorm activity has redeveloped
within 20 nmi of the low-level center. Although the small
circulation is somewhat elongated northeast-to-southwest, I am
hesitant to discontinue advisories on Emily at this time in case the
new convection persists. Buoy 41010 southeast of the center has been
reporting sustained winds of 25-29 kt at a 4-meter elevation early
this morning, but the initial intensity will remain at 25 kt since
convection has only recently redeveloped.

Emily has made the anticipated turn toward the northeast and is now
moving 050/12 kt. The depression is embedded in southwesterly flow
ahead of an eastward-moving, deep-layer trough and frontal system.
Emily is forecast to accelerate northeastward over the western
Atlantic through the remainder of the forecast period, remain well
offshore of the southeast and east coasts of the United States. The
new official forecast track lies close to the previous advisory
track, and is between the HCCA and TVCN consensus models.

Emily is expected to remain ahead of a cold front for the next 24
hours or so, which could allow for some slight strengthening while
the southwesterly vertical wind shear remains in the 10-15-kt range.
Thereafter, the shear is forecast to steadily increase, exceeding
30 kt by 60 h, resulting in Emily becoming an extratropical or
post-tropical remnant low by 36-48 hours. The NHC intensity forecast
is identical to the previous advisory, and is similar to the the
consensus model IVCN and guidance provided by the NOAA Ocean
Prediction Center.

FORECAST POSITIONS AND MAX WINDS

INIT 01/1500Z 29.3N 78.9W 25 KT 30 MPH
12H 02/0000Z 30.4N 77.5W 30 KT 35 MPH
24H 02/1200Z 32.1N 75.1W 30 KT 35 MPH
36H 03/0000Z 33.9N 72.0W 30 KT 35 MPH...POST-TROP/EXTRATROP
48H 03/1200Z 35.3N 68.8W 30 KT 35 MPH...POST-TROP/EXTRATROP
72H 04/1200Z 37.6N 62.2W 30 KT 35 MPH...POST-TROP/EXTRATROP
96H 05/1200Z 39.0N 55.5W 30 KT 35 MPH...POST-TROP/EXTRATROP
120H 06/1200Z...DISSIPATED

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Re: ATL: EMILY - Tropical Depression - Discussion

#268 Postby tolakram » Tue Aug 01, 2017 9:55 am

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Re: ATL: EMILY - Tropical Depression - Discussion

#269 Postby Kazmit » Tue Aug 01, 2017 10:12 am

Might strengthen a bit more for the final time, but I'm doubtful it will obtain TS status again. I'm hoping it brings some good surf through as it passes. :D
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Re: ATL: EMILY - Tropical Depression - Discussion

#270 Postby txwatcher91 » Tue Aug 01, 2017 10:46 am

Nice burst of convection. Shear increases quite a bit to the north though so it probably won’t last too long.
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Re: ATL: EMILY - Tropical Depression - Discussion

#271 Postby Sanibel » Tue Aug 01, 2017 1:06 pm

Emily's bands over San Carlos Bay Sanibel at sunset:

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Re: ATL: EMILY - Tropical Depression - Discussion

#272 Postby cycloneye » Tue Aug 01, 2017 2:08 pm

It really was a quick landfall in Western Florida peninsula.

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With only 8 hours from formation to landfall, #Emily is one of the quickest hitting US landfalls in past 30+ years. Only 4 (of 121) quicker.


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Re: ATL: EMILY - Tropical Depression - Discussion

#273 Postby wxman57 » Tue Aug 01, 2017 2:12 pm

Emily looks like it may have opened up into a wave/trof.
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Re: ATL: EMILY - Tropical Depression - Discussion

#274 Postby beoumont » Tue Aug 01, 2017 5:25 pm

I can't recall a tropical storm being named before based almost entirely on a land radar station's interpretation. Can anyone else recall any such events??

Below, albeit only related to Emily 2017 by name only is a diversionary video, to whet one's appetite for this coming season's action, is what Chaser1 and myself witnessed and filmed during Emily 1993, when we witnessed gusts of 110 mph, and the highest tidal surge (10.2 ft) in Cape Hatteras history. The water actually came from Pamlico Sound and crossed over to the Atlantic Ocean on the NW winds on the west side of the center.



Link: https://youtu.be/rkrTHo8PcEk
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Re: ATL: EMILY - Tropical Depression - Discussion

#275 Postby Aric Dunn » Tue Aug 01, 2017 6:13 pm

interesting that the low level well defined circ is moving very little to slight wnw this afternoon.. more ridging than forecast?
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Re: ATL: EMILY - Tropical Depression - Discussion

#276 Postby Hammy » Tue Aug 01, 2017 8:06 pm

beoumont wrote:I can't recall a tropical storm being named before based almost entirely on a land radar station's interpretation. Can anyone else recall any such events??


I don't think it's common, but that's likely because there's usually enough time before formation to get a plane out without needing radar for upgrade.
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Re: ATL: EMILY - Tropical Depression - Discussion

#277 Postby northjaxpro » Tue Aug 01, 2017 9:40 pm

Emily is now post-tropical. She"s history and finished! Where is Bones when we need him lol..
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Re: ATL: EMILY - Post-Tropical - Discussion

#278 Postby cycloneye » Tue Aug 01, 2017 9:44 pm

Post-Tropical Cyclone Emily Discussion Number 9
NWS National Hurricane Center Miami FL AL062017
1100 PM EDT Tue Aug 01 2017

The center of Emily has become exposed again tonight, with satellite
images showing the skeletal circulation well to the west of any
distant convection. The shallow cyclone hasn't really produced any
organized deep convection in about 24 hours, with only small puffs
that quickly fade out due to dry air and shear. In addition, the
cyclone is embedded within a frontal zone, and no analysis shows
Emily with a warm core. Given these considerations, Emily has lost
the requisite characteristics of a tropical cyclone, and is being
declared post-tropical. Thus, this is the last advisory on Emily.

The cyclone has taken a turn to the north-northeast but should
resume a northeast motion overnight ahead of a deep-layer trough.
The track forecast has been adjusted a bit to the left based on the
initial position only, with the models in good agreement on the
general northeast course. Emily should gradually weaken due to
increasing shear and dry air aloft, and acquire more extratropical
characteristics on Wednesday. Dissipation of the low is forecast
within 3 days as it opens up into a trough.


FORECAST POSITIONS AND MAX WINDS

INIT 02/0300Z 30.9N 78.0W 30 KT 35 MPH...POST-TROPICAL
12H 02/1200Z 32.3N 76.3W 30 KT 35 MPH...POST-TROP/EXTRATROP
24H 03/0000Z 33.9N 73.5W 25 KT 30 MPH...POST-TROP/EXTRATROP
36H 03/1200Z 35.0N 70.4W 25 KT 30 MPH...POST-TROP/EXTRATROP
48H 04/0000Z 36.0N 67.0W 25 KT 30 MPH...POST-TROP/EXTRATROP
72H 05/0000Z...DISSIPATED

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Re: ATL: EMILY - Tropical Depression - Discussion

#279 Postby chaser1 » Tue Aug 01, 2017 10:52 pm

beoumont wrote:I can't recall a tropical storm being named before based almost entirely on a land radar station's interpretation. Can anyone else recall any such events??

Below, albeit only related to Emily 2017 by name only is a diversionary video, to whet one's appetite for this coming season's action, is what Chaser1 and myself witnessed and filmed during Emily 1993, when we witnessed gusts of 110 mph, and the highest tidal surge (10.2 ft) in Cape Hatteras history. The water actually came from Pamlico Sound and crossed over to the Atlantic Ocean on the NW winds on the west side of the center.



Link: https://youtu.be/rkrTHo8PcEk


Yep, that was a blast from the past (literally). That was also a very very different type of Emily, huh?! That SHOULD "whet everyone's whistle" because I think Emily '17 is far more indicative of a very busy season, then it is of a year of weak storms.
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