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Re: ATL: IRMA - Models

#9161 Postby txwatcher91 » Thu Sep 07, 2017 4:01 pm

Pughetime12 wrote:
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Would it going more north and interacting the trough more push it more W or E? Sorry for the questions, you sniffed out the GFS East Shift early a couple of days ago and Euro followed suit as did the NHC...so you seem like you are on top of it!


In this situation the trough is located over the Northeast US and would help to pull Irma north. If Irma is slower and/or further south as the trough exits, then there will be less of a "pull" to the north and you get a western scenario like the Euro showed today. If Irma is a little faster and further north it will be pulled to the north a little more and also accelerate as it does so. That's why when you compare the 12z NAM with the 18z NAM you find the 18z run is much faster by the end of the run and further east/north. The runs of the GFS and Euro that show a similar track also interact with the trough more and move Irma quicker. IMO, the bullseye is going to be Miami for this one as I see it getting pulled north into the weakness a little quicker than some models indicate, but all of Florida needs to be prepared as nothing is certain regarding exact landfall location.


Thanks for the explanation! If it pulls north sooner, would that NW shift that happens in GA/SC happen sooner?


If it gets pulled north sooner then it would actually have more time to go over the open waters before being pulled back NW by the shortwave dropping down from the Midwest. The SC/GA line looks like the consensus landfall point if this does actually take the eastern route whereas a slower/south one like the Euro/UK gives you the west or central FL track. Both are possible and all depend on the interaction with the trough and forward speed of Irma. The fact she's tracking N of her forecast points still is one sign that the eastern solution MIGHT occur, but still too early to know.
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Re: ATL: IRMA - Models

#9162 Postby tolakram » Thu Sep 07, 2017 4:07 pm

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Re: ATL: IRMA - Models

#9163 Postby chargurl » Thu Sep 07, 2017 4:13 pm

Hey all!
When posting the GIF's of projections, could you expand to include Carolinas and Georgia? I am in Northeast Georgia, and would like to see more of what impacts we could feel. We have trees fall here, on a sunny day.

Thank you!!
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Re: ATL: IRMA - Models

#9164 Postby forecasterjack » Thu Sep 07, 2017 4:18 pm

Noticeable shift west in Irma's track forecast today. Compare last 4 runs of ECMWF EPS for free via menus: 

https://weather.us/cyclone-tracks/euro/ ... 2-240.html
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Re: ATL: IRMA - Models

#9165 Postby forecasterjack » Thu Sep 07, 2017 4:20 pm

chargurl wrote:Hey all!
When posting the GIF's of projections, could you expand to include Carolinas and Georgia? I am in Northeast Georgia, and would like to see more of what impacts we could feel. We have trees fall here, on a sunny day.

Thank you!!

If you go here: https://weather.us/forecast/xl and type in your town, you can compare all the models' forecasts for your town including wind/rain/temperature etc. Feel free to mouse over the "Forecast" tab at the top of the page to see links to all the model data so you don't have to wait for someone in here to post the projection you're looking for :)
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Re: ATL: IRMA - Models

#9166 Postby FLpanhandle91 » Thu Sep 07, 2017 4:23 pm

Looking at the 500mb level, it appears the real difference between the Euro and the GFS is the speed/intensity of the trough that will pull it north. Euro has a weaker and faster trough and Irma almost scoots underneath it and continues northwest while the stronger and slower trough of the GFS hangs around and yanks Irma north much earlier.
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Re: ATL: IRMA - Models

#9167 Postby Jevo » Thu Sep 07, 2017 4:25 pm

Looks like the NHC nudged the track about 15/20 miles West putting the metro Dade, Broward, PB on the dirty side of the storm.. Not the track they need.
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Re: ATL: IRMA - Models

#9168 Postby tolakram » Thu Sep 07, 2017 4:29 pm

drum roll please.

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Re: ATL: IRMA - Models

#9169 Postby forecasterjack » Thu Sep 07, 2017 4:30 pm

GOES16 satellite data is showing Irma restrengthening and rebuilding its western side this evening. Not a good sign for Florida. Irma was having trouble with dry air and shear earlier today, she seems to have kicked those right out of the way. Loop: https://weather.us/satellite/745-w-213- ... .html#play
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Re: ATL: IRMA - Models

#9170 Postby tolakram » Thu Sep 07, 2017 4:31 pm

Same correction every run.

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Re: ATL: IRMA - Models

#9171 Postby tolakram » Thu Sep 07, 2017 4:32 pm

:uarrow:

next frame is a north west correction so this is a bit different.
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Re: ATL: IRMA - Models

#9172 Postby tolakram » Thu Sep 07, 2017 4:33 pm

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Re: ATL: IRMA - Models

#9173 Postby tolakram » Thu Sep 07, 2017 4:38 pm

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Re: ATL: IRMA - Models

#9174 Postby Pughetime12 » Thu Sep 07, 2017 4:43 pm

tolakram wrote:Image


Speeding up and more into Cuba this run?
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Re: ATL: IRMA - Models

#9175 Postby tolakram » Thu Sep 07, 2017 4:44 pm

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Re: ATL: IRMA - Models

#9176 Postby FLpanhandle91 » Thu Sep 07, 2017 4:45 pm

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Disturbing shift. Not looking good.
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Re: ATL: IRMA - Models

#9177 Postby Dean4Storms » Thu Sep 07, 2017 4:45 pm

911mb at 48hrs.....not good!
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Re: ATL: IRMA - Models

#9178 Postby stormreader » Thu Sep 07, 2017 4:47 pm

Dean4Storms wrote:911mb at 48hrs.....not good!

Yeah, falling pressure. My hunch is that the storm might very well come in as a Cat 5. And a solid CAT 5 at that. Will leave it at that.
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Re: ATL: IRMA - Models

#9179 Postby MetroMike » Thu Sep 07, 2017 4:47 pm

My local chief Met Paul Dellegato from Fox 13 Has been studying the the GFS verification and he has said it has not done well last couple days.
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Re: ATL: IRMA - Models

#9180 Postby tolakram » Thu Sep 07, 2017 4:48 pm

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