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Re: ATL: LAURA - Models

#3941 Postby Frank P » Wed Aug 26, 2020 4:57 am

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TXWeatherMan wrote:Where was the UKMET tonight?


It’s a page or two back. I think I read that it crossed 94 and went to 94.1. Seems like a bit of a western outlier though someone said it moved right a little from a prior run.

European looks to be in line with most of the rest of the models. Low res shows 941 at 24 hours. Hopefully someone will post a landfall plot from a better version that Levi has.
https://www.tropicaltidbits.com/analysi ... 2600&fh=24

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Re: ATL: LAURA - Models

#3942 Postby Kingarabian » Wed Aug 26, 2020 5:42 am

06z HMON:
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135kt landfall... borderline CAT 5.
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Re: ATL: LAURA - Models

#3943 Postby Kingarabian » Wed Aug 26, 2020 5:53 am

06z HWRF:
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Solid Cat.4 at landfall, rapidly weakens it inland.
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Re: ATL: LAURA - Models

#3944 Postby Kingarabian » Wed Aug 26, 2020 6:49 am

06z Euro is 10mb to high 3 hours in @ 972mb.
9 hours in until it finally shows the correct pressure of about 959mb.
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Re: ATL: LAURA - Models

#3945 Postby Kingarabian » Wed Aug 26, 2020 6:57 am

06z Euro:
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A bit more east this run.
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Re: ATL: LAURA - Models

#3946 Postby hershels » Wed Aug 26, 2020 8:18 am

Frank P wrote:
Steve wrote:
TXWeatherMan wrote:Where was the UKMET tonight?


It’s a page or two back. I think I read that it crossed 94 and went to 94.1. Seems like a bit of a western outlier though someone said it moved right a little from a prior run.

European looks to be in line with most of the rest of the models. Low res shows 941 at 24 hours. Hopefully someone will post a landfall plot from a better version that Levi has.
https://www.tropicaltidbits.com/analysi ... 2600&fh=24

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Looks like UKMET has it just west of the border on their 00Z run

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Re: ATL: LAURA - Models

#3947 Postby PTrackerLA » Wed Aug 26, 2020 9:17 am

What an epic fail by the euro ensembles for this storm. 06z Euro ensembles :eek:

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Re: ATL: LAURA - Models

#3948 Postby HoustonFrog » Wed Aug 26, 2020 9:21 am

PTrackerLA wrote:What an epic fail by the euro ensembles for this storm. 06z Euro ensembles :eek:

https://i.imgur.com/jYFbbBQ.png


They caused me a lot of wasted time and effort
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Re: ATL: LAURA - Models

#3949 Postby Portastorm » Wed Aug 26, 2020 9:22 am

HoustonFrog wrote:
PTrackerLA wrote:What an epic fail by the euro ensembles for this storm. 06z Euro ensembles :eek:

https://i.imgur.com/jYFbbBQ.png


They caused me a lot of wasted time and effort


For those of us who either did not know or simply forgot ... once tropical systems in the Atlantic basin head north, the Euro has a noted "left" bias. I'll admit to succumbing to the Euro ensemble worry myself. And after being on this Board all these years, I should have known better. Kudos to the NHC as always.
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Re: ATL: LAURA - Models

#3950 Postby PTrackerLA » Wed Aug 26, 2020 9:23 am

HoustonFrog wrote:
PTrackerLA wrote:What an epic fail by the euro ensembles for this storm. 06z Euro ensembles :eek:

https://i.imgur.com/jYFbbBQ.png


They caused me a lot of wasted time and effort


And caused places around Lafayette to feel at ease, now we have to brace for hurricane conditions tonight.
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Re: ATL: LAURA - Models

#3951 Postby Steve » Wed Aug 26, 2020 9:29 am

PTrackerLA wrote:
HoustonFrog wrote:
PTrackerLA wrote:What an epic fail by the euro ensembles for this storm. 06z Euro ensembles :eek:

https://i.imgur.com/jYFbbBQ.png


They caused me a lot of wasted time and effort


And caused places around Lafayette to feel at ease, now we have to brace for hurricane conditions tonight.


Hang tight P.
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Re: ATL: LAURA - Models

#3952 Postby HoustonFrog » Wed Aug 26, 2020 9:36 am

Portastorm wrote:
HoustonFrog wrote:
PTrackerLA wrote:What an epic fail by the euro ensembles for this storm. 06z Euro ensembles :eek:

https://i.imgur.com/jYFbbBQ.png


They caused me a lot of wasted time and effort


For those of us who either did not know or simply forgot ... once tropical systems in the Atlantic basin head north, the Euro has a noted "left" bias. I'll admit to succumbing to the Euro ensemble worry myself. And after being on this Board all these years, I should have known better. Kudos to the NHC as always.


I will remember that. I guess I relied on the Space City guys and they were cautious on the track due to Euro so I was definitely giving that quite a bit of credence. Fortunately I didn't go nuclear route and buy stuff to board windows/etc.
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Re: ATL: LAURA - Models

#3953 Postby KatDaddy » Wed Aug 26, 2020 9:53 am

It was critical model and trend watching the last 24 hours but this morning I decided against storm panels early this morning in NW Galveston County. Thinking the wobbles to the N will win over the wobbles to the W during the day. I feel for everyone in extreme SE TX and SW LA.
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Re: ATL: LAURA - Models

#3954 Postby jasons2k » Wed Aug 26, 2020 9:55 am

Portastorm wrote:
HoustonFrog wrote:
PTrackerLA wrote:What an epic fail by the euro ensembles for this storm. 06z Euro ensembles :eek:

https://i.imgur.com/jYFbbBQ.png


They caused me a lot of wasted time and effort


For those of us who either did not know or simply forgot ... once tropical systems in the Atlantic basin head north, the Euro has a noted "left" bias. I'll admit to succumbing to the Euro ensemble worry myself. And after being on this Board all these years, I should have known better. Kudos to the NHC as always.


That's easy to say in hindsight, so don't be too hard on yourself. It wasn't just the 'Euro ensembles' and some anecdotal evidence the west trend would continue. There were plenty of solid arguments for Laura going more west into Texas:

1) Laura, for most of her entire track, had been tracking on the west side of the guidance.
2) The Euro ensembles that showed the western shift, when analyzed individually, made the most meteorological sense at the time.
3) Verified pressures of the ridge versus the model verification, esp. the GFS, showed the SE ridge was a bit stronger than modeled.
4) The Euro Ensembles weren't alone. The UKMET was west, the PARA GFS had shifted west, and a most of the GFS ensembles were on Texas.

For a short period of time, it appeared that Texas, perhaps Galveston, was becoming a certainty. When that happens, it becomes difficult, mentally, to get away from that momentum. Yesterday morning, I thought Laura was headed this way. It wasn't until yesterday evening that I 'threw in the towel' and was convinced it was gonna be a miss to the east.
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Re: ATL: LAURA - Models

#3955 Postby tolakram » Wed Aug 26, 2020 10:38 am

12Z GFS landfall location
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Re: ATL: LAURA - Models

#3956 Postby Fancy1001 » Wed Aug 26, 2020 10:42 am

It seems that the models are initiating it weaker than it currently is.
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Re: ATL: LAURA - Models

#3957 Postby Hypercane_Kyle » Wed Aug 26, 2020 11:53 am

It's quickly becoming obvious that the once thought unrealistic intensity forecasts from the HWRF over the past few days were indeed accurate.
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Re: ATL: LAURA - Models

#3958 Postby tolakram » Wed Aug 26, 2020 11:57 am

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Re: ATL: LAURA - Models

#3959 Postby Socalhurcnegirl227 » Wed Aug 26, 2020 1:01 pm

Hypercane_Kyle wrote:It's quickly becoming obvious that the once thought unrealistic intensity forecasts from the HWRF over the past few days were indeed accurate.

Back in 2013/14/15 and even 16 the HWRF used to be a big laugh on here for bombing out storms and predicting nuclear level destruction on so many cities, sadly lately theyve been pretty accurate the last couple years with storms intensities
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Re: ATL: LAURA - Models

#3960 Postby Highteeld » Wed Aug 26, 2020 1:05 pm

Latest euro has sustained 10 meter winds up to 132 knots by 03z

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