ATL: ODETTE - Post-Tropical - Discussion

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Re: ATL: ODETTE - Tropical Storm - Discussion

#61 Postby wx98 » Fri Sep 17, 2021 4:41 pm

MarioProtVI wrote:Whatever center they’re tracking is well exposed to the southwest of all the convection. No evidence to suggest a new one is under the convection. Not a TC in my book.

That center isn’t even moving either, unless it is pulling some small micro loop before continuing northeast.
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Re: ATL: ODETTE - Tropical Storm - Discussion

#62 Postby Hammy » Fri Sep 17, 2021 5:04 pm

MarioProtVI wrote:Odette’s naming is highly questionable given that NHC already admitted it’s developing frontal boundaries which is a sign it is probably not a TC at all.


It's not developing frontal boundaries (as they aren't branching off from the center), but they are interacting with the circulation. Really surprised though that they went with tropical rather than subtropical.
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Re: ATL: ODETTE - Tropical Storm - Discussion

#63 Postby tolakram » Fri Sep 17, 2021 5:06 pm

I have no issue with using a name, but this is why storm numbers don't really mean anything in the modern era. Just IMO.

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Re: ATL: ODETTE - Tropical Storm - Discussion

#64 Postby AlphaToOmega » Fri Sep 17, 2021 5:07 pm

tolakram wrote:I have no issue with using a name, but this is why storm numbers don't really mean anything in the modern era. Just IMO.

https://i.imgur.com/StFKdVe.png


It is not that abnormal to see most of the cloudiness east of the center of the storm.
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Re: ATL: ODETTE - Tropical Storm - Discussion

#65 Postby tolakram » Fri Sep 17, 2021 5:11 pm

AlphaToOmega wrote:
tolakram wrote:I have no issue with using a name, but this is why storm numbers don't really mean anything in the modern era. Just IMO.

https://i.imgur.com/StFKdVe.png


It is not that abnormal to see most of the cloudiness east of the center of the storm.


What's your point?
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Re: ATL: ODETTE - Tropical Storm - Discussion

#66 Postby Nimbus » Fri Sep 17, 2021 6:20 pm

If this ends up on the back side of the front drifting SE the delay going out to sea might solve our problem with Peter.
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Re: ATL: ODETTE - Tropical Storm - Discussion

#67 Postby Iceresistance » Fri Sep 17, 2021 6:39 pm

tolakram wrote:
AlphaToOmega wrote:
tolakram wrote:I have no issue with using a name, but this is why storm numbers don't really mean anything in the modern era. Just IMO.

https://i.imgur.com/StFKdVe.png


It is not that abnormal to see most of the cloudiness east of the center of the storm.


What's your point?

I think he was pointing out what it usually looks like when it either sheared, or becoming Post-Tropical . . .
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Re: ATL: ODETTE - Tropical Storm - Discussion

#68 Postby Yellow Evan » Fri Sep 17, 2021 9:10 pm

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May have been earlier but not classifiable anymore.
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Re: ATL: ODETTE - Tropical Storm - Discussion

#69 Postby MarioProtVI » Fri Sep 17, 2021 9:13 pm

Yellow Evan wrote:https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/733552978572869632/888603731250270238/20210918.png

May have been earlier but not classifiable anymore.

Further proves the point that this never was a TC. IMO it’s best if NHC downgrades to an EX or removes from the database entirely in TCR. This is the worst call I’ve ever seen them make for a TC since Colin where almost all evidence points to not a TC.
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Re: ATL: ODETTE - Tropical Storm - Discussion

#70 Postby Sciencerocks » Fri Sep 17, 2021 9:15 pm

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Re: ATL: ODETTE - Tropical Storm - Discussion

#71 Postby Yellow Evan » Fri Sep 17, 2021 9:21 pm

MarioProtVI wrote:
Yellow Evan wrote:https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/733552978572869632/888603731250270238/20210918.png

May have been earlier but not classifiable anymore.

Further proves the point that this never was a TC. IMO it’s best if NHC downgrades to an EX or removes from the database entirely in TCR. This is the worst call I’ve ever seen them make for a TC since Colin where almost all evidence points to not a TC.


Colin at least briefly looked classifiable in an ASCAT pass. At best this looked like a TC on microwave maybe.
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Re: ATL: ODETTE - Tropical Storm - Discussion

#72 Postby supercane4867 » Fri Sep 17, 2021 9:43 pm

1010mb...what an embarrassment of a tropical storm :lol:


...ODETTE POORLY ORGANIZED OFF THE U.S. MID-ATLANTIC COAST...
...FORECAST TO BECOME POST-TROPICAL BY SATURDAY NIGHT SOUTH OF ATLANTIC CANADA...
11:00 PM EDT Fri Sep 17
Location: 36.4°N 71.2°W
Moving: NE at 10 mph
Min pressure: 1010 mb
Max sustained: 40 mph
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Re: ATL: ODETTE - Tropical Storm - Discussion

#73 Postby Stormybajan » Fri Sep 17, 2021 9:44 pm

Well some how Odette is still a tropical storm/cyclone. Ugh, surely not.
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Re: ATL: ODETTE - Tropical Storm - Discussion

#74 Postby Sciencerocks » Fri Sep 17, 2021 9:51 pm

This is why I question the nhc when they wait days to upgrade or never upgrade a system that has 2.0 or 2.5s on sab and perfectly elined convection in the Eastern Pacific or Eastern Atlantic. Quite a few of last years western Atlantic systems were similar. There isn't one standard so I just assume since it has a closed LLC and is creating some convection then why not? Why have two standards.
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Re: ATL: ODETTE - Tropical Storm - Discussion

#75 Postby aspen » Fri Sep 17, 2021 9:52 pm

Odette may share its name with the Swan Princess, but it’s far from elegant and looks more like a swan that got hit by a truck.
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Re: ATL: ODETTE - Tropical Storm - Discussion

#76 Postby JRD » Sat Sep 18, 2021 12:53 am

She has a shallow asymmetric warm core, which supports a subtropical rather than tropical classification.
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Re: ATL: ODETTE - Tropical Storm - Discussion

#77 Postby Sciencerocks » Sat Sep 18, 2021 1:55 am

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Re: ATL: ODETTE - Tropical Storm - Discussion

#78 Postby Ubuntwo » Sat Sep 18, 2021 9:12 am

Ouch!
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Re: ATL: ODETTE - Tropical Storm - Discussion

#79 Postby cheezyWXguy » Sat Sep 18, 2021 9:57 am

There’s like 4 eddies rotating around a central gyre, all naked with convection severely displaced. Yeesh, are we sure this is even tropical/subtropical?
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Re: ATL: ODETTE - Tropical Storm - Discussion

#80 Postby Sciencerocks » Sat Sep 18, 2021 10:55 am

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