2019 and 2020 Cyclones Retirement (both years to be announced in 2021)
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Re: 2019 and 2020 Cyclones Retirement (both years to be announced in 2021)
I understand that the COVID-19 virus is going on, but what's so hard about being able to retire the worst natural disaster to ever strike The Bahamas?
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TheStormExpert wrote:I understand that the COVID-19 virus is going on, but what's so hard about being able to retire the worst natural disaster to ever strike The Bahamas?
It’s not like they aren’t retiring it, they’re just kicking it down the road. Also if covid-19 is still rampant come the hurricane months, that’s gonna have a big impact on storm prep, evacuations and the like. Which is a far more serious issue than retiring a name.
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Hurricane Jed wrote:TheStormExpert wrote:I understand that the COVID-19 virus is going on, but what's so hard about being able to retire the worst natural disaster to ever strike The Bahamas?
It’s not like they aren’t retiring it, they’re just kicking it down the road. Also if covid-19 is still rampant come the hurricane months, that’s gonna have a big impact on storm prep, evacuations and the like. Which is a far more serious issue than retiring a name.
I second this and that's what I thought of
Just imagine a huge hurricane hitting a heavily infected area with travel restrictions still in place :/
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DioBrando wrote:Hurricane Jed wrote:TheStormExpert wrote:I understand that the COVID-19 virus is going on, but what's so hard about being able to retire the worst natural disaster to ever strike The Bahamas?
It’s not like they aren’t retiring it, they’re just kicking it down the road. Also if covid-19 is still rampant come the hurricane months, that’s gonna have a big impact on storm prep, evacuations and the like. Which is a far more serious issue than retiring a name.
I second this and that's what I thought of
Just imagine a huge hurricane hitting a heavily infected area with travel restrictions still in place :/
New York City and New Orleans come to mind.
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TheStormExpert wrote:I understand that the COVID-19 virus is going on, but what's so hard about being able to retire the worst natural disaster to ever strike The Bahamas?
List 5 will only be used again in 2025, so there's still plenty of time to retire Dorian.
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Disappointed not to know the results, but obviously there are much more important things to deal with!
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Iune wrote:If I'm not mistaken, Amphan is the last remaining name on the NIO naming list. Has there been any news or updates on the updated naming list as I thought a new naming list would be used after the current one is finished?
We now have 169 new names, including contributions from Saudi Arabia, Iran, Qatar, UAE and Yemen.
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Not sure if Vongfong will get retired but Ambo has a 50/50 shot with ₱1.04 billion (US$20.5 million) in damage in the Philippines.
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Imelda certainly is an interesting case. In my opinion, it's closer to Allison than Lee. Lee did much of its damage as remnant storm over the eastern US, whereas Imelda and Allison were known for their impacts as tropical storms. I don't know if that plays into the criteria, but it's worth noting. Also, Imelda's estimated damage total is just under double that of Lee. The most convincing point is that the title of Lee's Wikipedia page includes (2011) whereas the title of Imelda's page does not include (2019).
Now, with all that said, I wonder if the extra year will hurt Imelda's case. It (thankfully) had a comparatively low death toll and wasn't particularly memorable meteorologically - it was only a TS for a few hours.
Now, with all that said, I wonder if the extra year will hurt Imelda's case. It (thankfully) had a comparatively low death toll and wasn't particularly memorable meteorologically - it was only a TS for a few hours.
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Just an update, since nobody's posted this here, Australia will retire the names Trevor, Veronica, Ann, Damien and Harold.
http://www.bom.gov.au/cyclone/tropical- ... /tc-names/
http://www.bom.gov.au/cyclone/tropical- ... /tc-names/
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Torino wrote:Just an update, since nobody's posted this here, Australia will retire the names Trevor, Veronica, Ann, Damien and Harold.
http://www.bom.gov.au/cyclone/tropical- ... /tc-names/
Veronica and Harold were obvious choices but Trevor, Ann, and Damien seem random to me. Is retirement more random in Australia than, say, the North Atlantic and the Northeast and Northwest Pacific?
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GSBHurricane wrote:Torino wrote:Just an update, since nobody's posted this here, Australia will retire the names Trevor, Veronica, Ann, Damien and Harold.
http://www.bom.gov.au/cyclone/tropical- ... /tc-names/
Veronica and Harold were obvious choices but Trevor, Ann, and Damien seem random to me. Is retirement more random in Australia than, say, the North Atlantic and the Northeast and Northwest Pacific?
It seems that in the Australian region there only needs to be some impact -or simply to make landfall- to retire names. There have been AUS cyclones that have caused barely any damages, no casualties and get retired; in the North Atlantic there are higher standards.
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Pretty sure six retired WPac names would be a record for a single season.
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Krathon and Pulasan will replace Mangkhut and Rumbia.
Hagibis, Faxai, Lekima, Phanfone, Kammuri and Yutu were retired.
http://www.typhooncommittee.org/52nd/do ... _FINAL.pdf
I was wondering if the "6th retired name" could be Yutu, and I was right
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Are people going to call for Isaias to be retired?
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MoliNuno wrote:Are people going to call for Isaias to be retired?
I'm sure some would, if just for pronunciation and nothing else. It honestly depends on how much damage it did/how many fatalities it is responsible for, and whether it gets overshadowed by a later-season storm. A good analog for Isaias is Bertha 1996, which wasn't retired in part due to Fran later that year overshadowing it by making landfall in a similar area. Demographics have changed since then, but there's a decent chance Isaias isn't retired at the end of the season.
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NXStumpy_Robothing wrote:MoliNuno wrote:Are people going to call for Isaias to be retired?
I'm sure some would, if just for pronunciation and nothing else. It honestly depends on how much damage it did/how many fatalities it is responsible for, and whether it gets overshadowed by a later-season storm. A good analog for Isaias is Bertha 1996, which wasn't retired in part due to Fran later that year overshadowing it by making landfall in a similar area. Demographics have changed since then, but there's a decent chance Isaias isn't retired at the end of the season.
I agree with the analogy - a couple things will come into play: 1) the total damage figure (we'd want to see it at several billion for retirement to be considered), 2) what happens the rest of the season. If a catastrophic storm hits the east coast later in the season, Isaias may be forgotten.
So far, my retirement likelihood: Ana to Gonzalo - near zero, Hanna - 10%, Isaias - 25%, Josephine and Kyle - near zero, Laura - 100%, Marco - near zero.
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2020
Arthur- 0%
Bertha- 0%
Cristobal- 20% (maybe doubled with Ananda)
Dolly- 0%
Edouard- 0%
Fay- 0%
Gonzalo- 0%
Hanna- 10% (not horrible)
Isaias- 60% (damaging, wide reaching)
Josephine- 0%
Kyle- 0%
Laura- 100% (self explanatory)
Marco- 2%
Nana- 2%
Omar- 0%
Paulette- 10%
Rene- 0%
Sally- 75% (severe impacts, although not a Michael or Ivan)
Teddy
Vicky- 0%
Wilfred
Alpha
Beta
Gamma
Delta
Epsilon
Zeta
Eta
Theta
Arthur- 0%
Bertha- 0%
Cristobal- 20% (maybe doubled with Ananda)
Dolly- 0%
Edouard- 0%
Fay- 0%
Gonzalo- 0%
Hanna- 10% (not horrible)
Isaias- 60% (damaging, wide reaching)
Josephine- 0%
Kyle- 0%
Laura- 100% (self explanatory)
Marco- 2%
Nana- 2%
Omar- 0%
Paulette- 10%
Rene- 0%
Sally- 75% (severe impacts, although not a Michael or Ivan)
Teddy
Vicky- 0%
Wilfred
Alpha
Beta
Gamma
Delta
Epsilon
Zeta
Eta
Theta
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CrazyC83 wrote:NXStumpy_Robothing wrote:MoliNuno wrote:Are people going to call for Isaias to be retired?
I'm sure some would, if just for pronunciation and nothing else. It honestly depends on how much damage it did/how many fatalities it is responsible for, and whether it gets overshadowed by a later-season storm. A good analog for Isaias is Bertha 1996, which wasn't retired in part due to Fran later that year overshadowing it by making landfall in a similar area. Demographics have changed since then, but there's a decent chance Isaias isn't retired at the end of the season.
I agree with the analogy - a couple things will come into play: 1) the total damage figure (we'd want to see it at several billion for retirement to be considered), 2) what happens the rest of the season. If a catastrophic storm hits the east coast later in the season, Isaias may be forgotten.
So far, my retirement likelihood: Ana to Gonzalo - near zero, Hanna - 10%, Isaias - 25%.
Isaac in 2012 dodged retirement because of Sandy. I could see Isaias going down the same route.
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