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Re: ATL: INVEST 90L - Models

#41 Postby cycloneye » Wed Sep 16, 2020 1:37 pm

144 to 168 hours.

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Re: ATL: INVEST 90L - Models

#42 Postby cycloneye » Wed Sep 16, 2020 1:44 pm

168-192.

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Re: ATL: INVEST 90L - Models

#43 Postby cycloneye » Wed Sep 16, 2020 1:45 pm

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Re: ATL: INVEST 90L - Models

#44 Postby cycloneye » Wed Sep 16, 2020 1:50 pm

216 hours.

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Re: ATL: INVEST 90L - Models

#45 Postby GCANE » Wed Sep 16, 2020 1:51 pm

GFS spins it up Friday at the bottom of a Rossby Wave under an area of very divergent UL winds.
Rossby Wave is forecast to retreat north and could pull the disturbance with it as a possible 355K PV couplet.
ARWB would be to the west and would move east.

How an UL vort gets pulled down to the surface will depend on how much helicity there will be with possible towers firing around this.
If it does get pulled down, it will likely be structured as a more classical warm core.
It would then be susceptible to shear.
Will then have to see how the Rossby Wave is positioned then and if this will then be under the ARWB.



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Re: ATL: INVEST 90L - Models

#46 Postby cycloneye » Wed Sep 16, 2020 1:58 pm

12z Euro ends.

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Re: ATL: INVEST 90L - Models

#47 Postby stormlover2013 » Wed Sep 16, 2020 1:58 pm

i will just wait till it develops then watch lol models haven't been good till 2 days out anyways lol
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Re: ATL: INVEST 90L - Models

#48 Postby TallahasseeMan » Wed Sep 16, 2020 1:59 pm

Here we go again...


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Re: ATL: INVEST 90L - Models

#49 Postby GCANE » Wed Sep 16, 2020 2:07 pm

Very tricky intensity forecasting.
Not just with the Rossby Wave 355K PV coupling but also with dry air and high TPW.
Could it fire along a dry line?
Would it be able to pull high TPW air from the EPAC?
It could be one for Bones or could be one for the record books.
I wouldn't even venture a guess at this point.

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Re: ATL: INVEST 90L - Models

#50 Postby FixySLN » Wed Sep 16, 2020 2:09 pm

Need a break.
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Re: ATL: INVEST 90L - Models

#51 Postby Wx_Warrior » Wed Sep 16, 2020 2:10 pm

stormlover2013 wrote:i will just wait till it develops then watch lol models haven't been good till 2 days out anyways lol


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Re: ATL: INVEST 90L - Models

#52 Postby St0rmTh0r » Wed Sep 16, 2020 2:28 pm

Wow man the Gulf throwing a hurricane party this year!
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Re: ATL: INVEST 90L - Models

#53 Postby Nimbus » Wed Sep 16, 2020 2:50 pm

GCANE wrote:Very tricky intensity forecasting.
Not just with the Rossby Wave 355K PV coupling but also with dry air and high TPW.
Could it fire along a dry line?
Would it be able to pull high TPW air from the EPAC?
It could be one for Bones or could be one for the record books.
I wouldn't even venture a guess at this point.

https://i.imgur.com/Pqr6xEm.png


Good questions what about the ridging to the north?
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Re: ATL: INVEST 90L - Models

#54 Postby BigB0882 » Wed Sep 16, 2020 2:51 pm

The Euro and GFS in agreement on track but the GFS takes 4 days and the Euro 10. It would take one huge coincidence for them to have the same track that many days apart. I’m leaning towards ignoring the Euro for now, it has just been so bad lately.

I haven’t seen any images for the end of the HWRF run. How many days until landfall on it?
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Re: ATL: INVEST 90L - Models

#55 Postby Nimbus » Wed Sep 16, 2020 2:59 pm

BigB0882 wrote:The Euro and GFS in agreement on track but the GFS takes 4 days and the Euro 10. It would take one huge coincidence for them to have the same track that many days apart. I’m leaning towards ignoring the Euro for now, it has just been so bad lately.

I haven’t seen any images for the end of the HWRF run. How many days until landfall on it?



The mid level trough that is already drying up Mobile bay would not stick around for more than two or three days. Sounding like a missed trough solution with a stronger system till the next trough.
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Re: ATL: INVEST 90L - Models

#56 Postby SoupBone » Wed Sep 16, 2020 3:00 pm

BigB0882 wrote:The Euro and GFS in agreement on track but the GFS takes 4 days and the Euro 10. It would take one huge coincidence for them to have the same track that many days apart. I’m leaning towards ignoring the Euro for now, it has just been so bad lately.

I haven’t seen any images for the end of the HWRF run. How many days until landfall on it?


If you look at the end of the HWRF, it hits Western/Central Louisiana, then scrapes across the Louisiana coast over Houston, then heads southwest. Then the model ends, kind of appearing like it would re-emerge over the GoM. It's nutty.
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Re: ATL: INVEST 90L - Models

#57 Postby chris_fit » Wed Sep 16, 2020 3:03 pm

12Z EPS really lights up the Gulf!
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Re: ATL: INVEST 90L - Models

#58 Postby BigB0882 » Wed Sep 16, 2020 3:04 pm

SoupBone wrote:
BigB0882 wrote:The Euro and GFS in agreement on track but the GFS takes 4 days and the Euro 10. It would take one huge coincidence for them to have the same track that many days apart. I’m leaning towards ignoring the Euro for now, it has just been so bad lately.

I haven’t seen any images for the end of the HWRF run. How many days until landfall on it?


If you look at the end of the HWRF, it hits Western/Central Louisiana, then scrapes across the Louisiana coast over Houston, then heads southwest. Then the model ends, kind of appearing like it would re-emerge over the GoM. It's nutty.


Yes, but what is the time line? Closer to GFS or EURO? And I’m only talking about first landfall. How many days does HWRF take to get to Louisiana?

I am on my phone and not all images show up.
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Re: ATL: INVEST 90L - Models

#59 Postby SoupBone » Wed Sep 16, 2020 3:08 pm

BigB0882 wrote:
SoupBone wrote:
BigB0882 wrote:The Euro and GFS in agreement on track but the GFS takes 4 days and the Euro 10. It would take one huge coincidence for them to have the same track that many days apart. I’m leaning towards ignoring the Euro for now, it has just been so bad lately.

I haven’t seen any images for the end of the HWRF run. How many days until landfall on it?


If you look at the end of the HWRF, it hits Western/Central Louisiana, then scrapes across the Louisiana coast over Houston, then heads southwest. Then the model ends, kind of appearing like it would re-emerge over the GoM. It's nutty.


Yes, but what is the time line? Closer to GFS or EURO? And I’m only talking about first landfall. How many days does HWRF take to get to Louisiana?

I am on my phone and not all images show up.



Pretty much in line with the GFS, with a landfall this Sunday.

GFS on the left, HWRF on the right.

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Re: ATL: INVEST 90L - Models

#60 Postby TallahasseeMan » Wed Sep 16, 2020 3:10 pm

chris_fit wrote:12Z EPS really lights up the Gulf!

Could you post it?


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