Hypothetical. Is it possible to have a -100c ring in a TC?

This is the general tropical discussion area. Anyone can take their shot at predicting a storms path.

Moderator: S2k Moderators

Forum rules

The posts in this forum are NOT official forecasts and should not be used as such. They are just the opinion of the poster and may or may not be backed by sound meteorological data. They are NOT endorsed by any professional institution or STORM2K. For official information, please refer to products from the National Hurricane Center and National Weather Service.

Help Support Storm2K
Message
Author
User avatar
InfernoFlameCat
Category 5
Category 5
Posts: 1966
Age: 21
Joined: Mon Dec 14, 2020 10:52 am
Location: Buford, GA

Hypothetical. Is it possible to have a -100c ring in a TC?

#1 Postby InfernoFlameCat » Tue Dec 15, 2020 8:44 pm

Can any experts verify this if they have ever witnessed this?
0 likes   
I am by no means a professional. DO NOT look at my forecasts for official information or make decisions based on what I post.

Goal: to become a registered expert over tropical and subtropical cyclones.

RL3AO
Moderator-Pro Met
Moderator-Pro Met
Posts: 16308
Joined: Thu Jun 14, 2007 10:03 pm
Location: NC

Re: Hypothetical. Is it possible to have a -100c ring in a TC?

#2 Postby RL3AO » Tue Dec 15, 2020 9:09 pm

I believe a few very strong updrafts have exceeded -100C in intense TCs, but I don't think the current composition of the atmosphere would support a full ring of -100C. The tropopause is generally not going to allow past -80C over a large area in the tropics.
6 likes   

User avatar
InfernoFlameCat
Category 5
Category 5
Posts: 1966
Age: 21
Joined: Mon Dec 14, 2020 10:52 am
Location: Buford, GA

Re: Hypothetical. Is it possible to have a -100c ring in a TC?

#3 Postby InfernoFlameCat » Tue Dec 15, 2020 9:14 pm

Ok cool good to know
Although I am slightly disappointed
-100c would be amazing. :ggreen:
2 likes   
I am by no means a professional. DO NOT look at my forecasts for official information or make decisions based on what I post.

Goal: to become a registered expert over tropical and subtropical cyclones.

hurricanes1234
Category 5
Category 5
Posts: 2903
Joined: Sat Jul 28, 2012 6:19 pm
Location: Trinidad and Tobago

Re: Hypothetical. Is it possible to have a -100c ring in a TC?

#4 Postby hurricanes1234 » Tue Dec 15, 2020 9:43 pm

Here's the best example of this occurring in 2019 with Typhoon Kammuri on November 30. The cloudtop temperatures in a small portion of the storm allegedly dipped to -109.4°C according to satellite measurements, shattering by roughly 7°C the old record of the coldest cloudtops, which was in another tropical cyclone as well.

https://www.wunderground.com/cat6/Kammuri-Sweeps-Through-Philippines-Coldest-Cloud-Tops-On-Record

They also mention that in rare cases, severe thunderstorm activity can produce cloudtop temperatures below -100°C, such as in November 2008 within a cluster of thunderstorms off Australia.

I can't imagine the conditions at the surface beneath cloudtops that cold but I bet it must be pretty scary, unforgettable, epic and extraordinary all at the same time!!
3 likes   
PLEASE NOTE: With the exception of information from weather agencies that I may copy and paste here, my posts will NEVER be official, since I am NOT a meteorologist. They are solely my amateur opinion, and may or may not be accurate. Therefore, please DO NOT use them as official details, particularly when making important decisions. Thank you.

User avatar
DanieleItalyRm
Category 1
Category 1
Posts: 486
Age: 38
Joined: Mon Sep 22, 2008 7:52 am
Location: Rome - Italy - Mediterranean sea

Re: Hypothetical. Is it possible to have a -100c ring in a TC?

#5 Postby DanieleItalyRm » Sun Dec 20, 2020 9:17 am

Can the max top cloud develop during depression/storm phase instead that in the hurricane phase?
0 likes   


Return to “Talkin' Tropics”

Who is online

Users browsing this forum: Bing [Bot], Dougiefresh, duilaslol, Ed_2001, hcane27 and 196 guests