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#101 Postby Thunder44 » Wed Aug 03, 2005 9:59 am

dwg71 wrote:Dud of a storm... 1933 had about 8 of them, we have had a couple already. 45KTS tops. Subtropical in nature as well..


I'm sorry that it's not a Cat 4 hurricane making landfall. :roll:
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#102 Postby dwg71 » Wed Aug 03, 2005 10:11 am

Thunder44 wrote:
dwg71 wrote:Dud of a storm... 1933 had about 8 of them, we have had a couple already. 45KTS tops. Subtropical in nature as well..


I'm sorry that it's not a Cat 4 hurricane making landfall. :roll:


Not my point at all, if you review my posts, I dont root for development, ever. My point is that it inflates the numbers. We've had 8 named storms but only 2 hurricanes. IMO this did not deserve a name because it is Subtropical in nature...
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#103 Postby Scorpion » Wed Aug 03, 2005 10:12 am

Anything to increase numbers if fine by me :D .
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#104 Postby dwg71 » Wed Aug 03, 2005 10:14 am

Andy_L wrote:
dwg71 wrote:Dud of a storm... 1933 had about 8 of them, we have had a couple already. 45KTS tops. Subtropical in nature as well..


YOU might consider it a dud....but i suspect those in Bermuda do not.


Bermuda will handle this just fine..Its a dud imo because it is subtropical in nature.
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#105 Postby EDR1222 » Wed Aug 03, 2005 10:19 am

It definately has a subtropical appearance to it on Satellite.

Looks like Bermuda shouldn't have too much of a problem with this one.
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#106 Postby Normandy » Wed Aug 03, 2005 10:22 am

Name it Subtropical/Upper Level Low Harvey.
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#107 Postby storms in NC » Wed Aug 03, 2005 10:24 am

If it was subtropical they wouldn't have named it
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#108 Postby gkrangers » Wed Aug 03, 2005 10:25 am

Except for the fact it has a well defined low level center, with convection in and around the center becoming more prominent.

Call it Subtropical if you wish...but its not an ULL...if you took the ULL on the western side away, you'd have an intensifying tropical storm.
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#109 Postby gkrangers » Wed Aug 03, 2005 10:26 am

storms in NC wrote:If it was subtropical they wouldn't have named it
They do name subtropical storms.
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#110 Postby Normandy » Wed Aug 03, 2005 10:28 am

gkrangers wrote:Except for the fact it has a well defined low level center, with convection in and around the center becoming more prominent.

Call it Subtropical if you wish...but its not an ULL...if you took the ULL on the western side away, you'd have an intensifying tropical storm.


Look at the WV loop? Does it really look like a TOTALLY tropical system...please.

BTW the ULL comment was a bit of a joke....just harping on how poor this looks on satellite.
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#111 Postby Thunder44 » Wed Aug 03, 2005 10:32 am

dwg71 wrote:
Thunder44 wrote:
dwg71 wrote:Dud of a storm... 1933 had about 8 of them, we have had a couple already. 45KTS tops. Subtropical in nature as well..


I'm sorry that it's not a Cat 4 hurricane making landfall. :roll:


Not my point at all, if you review my posts, I dont root for development, ever. My point is that it inflates the numbers. We've had 8 named storms but only 2 hurricanes. IMO this did not deserve a name because it is Subtropical in nature...


Subtropical storms get the names that tropical storms are due. There's not much difference in weather conditions between them as well. It is just a difference in structure. TPC also doesn't classify systems to break records.
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#112 Postby gkrangers » Wed Aug 03, 2005 10:32 am

Normandy wrote:
gkrangers wrote:Except for the fact it has a well defined low level center, with convection in and around the center becoming more prominent.

Call it Subtropical if you wish...but its not an ULL...if you took the ULL on the western side away, you'd have an intensifying tropical storm.


Look at the WV loop? Does it really look like a TOTALLY tropical system...please.

BTW the ULL comment was a bit of a joke....just harping on how poor this looks on satellite.
I didn't say it wasn't subtropical.
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#113 Postby Normandy » Wed Aug 03, 2005 10:33 am

Well why not call it Subtropical Storm Harvey....it would make much more sense!
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#114 Postby Thunder44 » Wed Aug 03, 2005 10:35 am

Normandy wrote:Well why not call it Subtropical Storm Harvey....it would make much more sense!


We really won't know if it's subtropical or tropical until recon gets there as measures the wind field.
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#115 Postby gkrangers » Wed Aug 03, 2005 10:36 am

Normandy wrote:Well why not call it Subtropical Storm Harvey....it would make much more sense!
I don't know, ask the NHC.
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#116 Postby cycloneye » Wed Aug 03, 2005 10:36 am

Well subtropical or tropical it counts for the stats of the 2005 season. :)
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#117 Postby Normandy » Wed Aug 03, 2005 10:38 am

Yea I guess thats true.

Anyways heres Subtropical Storm Gustav.
http://www.noaanews.noaa.gov/stories/im ... 90902b.jpg

and THAT looks better and more wound up than Harvey does. :roll:
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#118 Postby gkrangers » Wed Aug 03, 2005 12:54 pm

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WTNT33 KNHC 031753
TCPAT3
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TROPICAL STORM HARVEY INTERMEDIATE ADVISORY NUMBER 4A
NWS TPC/NATIONAL HURRICANE CENTER MIAMI FL
2 PM AST WED AUG 03 2005

...HARVEY MOVING TOWARDS BERMUDA...

A TROPICAL STORM WARNING IS IN EFFECT FOR BERMUDA. A TROPICAL STORM
WARNING MEANS THAT TROPICAL STORM CONDITIONS ARE EXPECTED WITHIN
THE WARNING AREA WITHIN THE NEXT 24 HOURS.

FOR STORM INFORMATION SPECIFIC TO YOUR AREA...PLEASE MONITOR
PRODUCTS ISSUED BY YOUR LOCAL WEATHER OFFICE.

AT 2 PM AST...1800Z...THE CENTER OF TROPICAL STORM HARVEY WAS
LOCATED NEAR LATITUDE 30.9 NORTH... LONGITUDE 67.6 WEST OR ABOUT
200 MILES... 320 KM... WEST-SOUTHWEST OF BERMUDA.

HARVEY IS MOVING TOWARD THE NORTHEAST NEAR 10 MPH...17 KM/HR... AND
THIS MOTION IS EXPECTED TO CONTINUE FOR THE NEXT 24 HOURS.

MAXIMUM SUSTAINED WINDS ARE NEAR 40 MPH... 65 KM/HR...WITH HIGHER
GUSTS. SOME STRENGTHENING IS POSSIBLE DURING THE NEXT 24
HOURS. AN AIR FORCE RESERVE UNIT RECONNAISSANCE AIRCRAFT IS ABOUT
TO REACH THE CENTER OF HARVEY.

TROPICAL STORM FORCE WINDS EXTEND OUTWARD UP TO 70 MILES
...110 KM FROM THE CENTER.

ESTIMATED MINIMUM CENTRAL PRESSURE IS 1003 MB...29.62 INCHES.

RAINFALL ACCUMULATIONS OF 1 TO 3 INCHES ARE POSSIBLE IN BERMUDA IN
ASSOCIATION WITH HARVEY.

REPEATING THE 2 PM AST POSITION...30.9 N... 67.6 W. MOVEMENT
TOWARD...NORTH-NORTHEAST NEAR 10 MPH. MAXIMUM SUSTAINED
WINDS... 40 MPH. MINIMUM CENTRAL PRESSURE...1003 MB.

THE NEXT ADVISORY WILL BE ISSUED BY THE NATIONAL
HURRICANE CENTER AT 5 PM AST.

FORECASTER FRANKLIN


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#119 Postby alicia-w » Wed Aug 03, 2005 1:16 pm

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WTNT63 KNHC 031810
TCUAT3
TROPICAL STORM HARVEY TROPICAL CYCLONE UPDATE NWS TPC/NATIONAL HURRICANE CENTER MIAMI FL 210 PM AST WED AUG 03 2005 THE FIRST REPORTS FROM AN AIR FORCE RESERVE UNIT RECONNAISSANCE AIRCRAFT INVESTIGATING TROPICAL STORM HARVEY INDICATE THAT HARVEY IS STRONGER THAN PREVIOUSLY ESTIMATED. THE AIRCRAFT FOUND A MINIMUM SEA-LEVEL PRESSURE OF 999 MB AND PEAK FLIGHT-LEVEL WINDS OF
62 KT. BASED ON THESE DATA...THE INTENSITY OF HARVEY IS NOW ESTIMATED TO BE NEAR 60 MPH.
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#120 Postby x-y-no » Wed Aug 03, 2005 1:20 pm

alicia-w wrote:000
WTNT63 KNHC 031810
TCUAT3
TROPICAL STORM HARVEY TROPICAL CYCLONE UPDATE NWS TPC/NATIONAL HURRICANE CENTER MIAMI FL 210 PM AST WED AUG 03 2005 THE FIRST REPORTS FROM AN AIR FORCE RESERVE UNIT RECONNAISSANCE AIRCRAFT INVESTIGATING TROPICAL STORM HARVEY INDICATE THAT HARVEY IS STRONGER THAN PREVIOUSLY ESTIMATED. THE AIRCRAFT FOUND A MINIMUM SEA-LEVEL PRESSURE OF 999 MB AND PEAK FLIGHT-LEVEL WINDS OF
62 KT. BASED ON THESE DATA...THE INTENSITY OF HARVEY IS NOW ESTIMATED TO BE NEAR 60 MPH.


Man, you guys are fast! ;-)
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