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#121 Postby Yellow Evan » Sat Aug 02, 2014 3:44 pm

At this point, I would not be shocked if this becomes our 3rd major of the season
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#122 Postby Kingarabian » Sat Aug 02, 2014 4:20 pm

The stronger it remains, the more of a pull it will feel from the north. That ECMWF track a couple of days ago seems to be taking place.

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#123 Postby Kingarabian » Sat Aug 02, 2014 4:21 pm

Yellow Evan wrote:At this point, I would not be shocked if this becomes our 3rd major of the season



It certainly could if it can develop and maintain deep convection from the west.
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#124 Postby hurricanes1234 » Sat Aug 02, 2014 4:24 pm

Why is recon going to Iselle?
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#125 Postby Yellow Evan » Sat Aug 02, 2014 4:26 pm

hurricanes1234 wrote:Why is recon going to Iselle?


Long-range Hawaii threat.
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#126 Postby Yellow Evan » Sat Aug 02, 2014 4:27 pm

Kingarabian wrote:The stronger it remains, the more of a pull it will feel from the north. That ECMWF track a couple of days ago seems to be taking place.

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I think the ridge will remain too strong for it to turn north. At this time of year, troughs don't dig that deep.

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#127 Postby Kingarabian » Sat Aug 02, 2014 4:27 pm

hurricanes1234 wrote:Why is recon going to Iselle?

They usually ignore EPAC basin crossers unless the threat of a hurricane starts to become a reality. The track has shifted more north and Iselle is expected to maintain if not gain strength.
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#128 Postby Kingarabian » Sat Aug 02, 2014 4:31 pm

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Kingarabian wrote:The stronger it remains, the more of a pull it will feel from the north. That ECMWF track a couple of days ago seems to be taking place.

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I think the ridge will remain too strong for it to turn north. At this time of year, troughs don't dig that deep.

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I don't think it will make that much of a sharp turn to the north, but I think it can take a NNW track just enough to poise a threat. I think this is why recon has been sent. NHC saw a possibility. If you look at past model runs, some models had this going over the Hawaiian Islands.
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#129 Postby Yellow Evan » Sat Aug 02, 2014 4:40 pm

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Kingarabian wrote:The stronger it remains, the more of a pull it will feel from the north. That ECMWF track a couple of days ago seems to be taking place.

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I think the ridge will remain too strong for it to turn north. At this time of year, troughs don't dig that deep.

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I don't think it will make that much of a sharp turn to the north, but I think it can take a NNW track just enough to poise a threat. I think this is why recon has been sent. NHC saw a possibility. If you look at past model runs, some models had this going over the Hawaiian Islands.


Yea, most models brings it close as a TS (which I check very often), I'm just not sure why they don't show weakening, so as of right mow, I'm a little skeptical it;ll make it that far west. The Great Hawaiian Shear is still out there (abliete weaker than it was during Wali), and topography limits your chances at a Hawaii landfall (the Big Island seems to send the LLC either north or south, see the last two Flossie's for proof).

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#130 Postby Yellow Evan » Sat Aug 02, 2014 4:43 pm

Kingarabian wrote:
hurricanes1234 wrote:Why is recon going to Iselle?

They usually ignore EPAC basin crossers unless the threat of a hurricane starts to become a reality. The track has shifted more north and Iselle is expected to maintain if not gain strength.


Flossie 13 didn't even get recon.
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#131 Postby Kingarabian » Sat Aug 02, 2014 4:45 pm

Yellow Evan wrote:
Kingarabian wrote:
hurricanes1234 wrote:Why is recon going to Iselle?

They usually ignore EPAC basin crossers unless the threat of a hurricane starts to become a reality. The track has shifted more north and Iselle is expected to maintain if not gain strength.


Flossie 13 didn't even get recon.


Thankfully they didn't. Would've been a waste of money. I think the NHC has a pretty good idea on when to send or not send.
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#132 Postby Yellow Evan » Sat Aug 02, 2014 4:50 pm

Kingarabian wrote:
Yellow Evan wrote:
Kingarabian wrote:They usually ignore EPAC basin crossers unless the threat of a hurricane starts to become a reality. The track has shifted more north and Iselle is expected to maintain if not gain strength.


Flossie 13 didn't even get recon.


Thankfully they didn't. Would've been a waste of money. I think the NHC has a pretty good idea on when to send or not send.


I don't think it would have been a waste. It could have helped the CPHC a bit, which had trouble with it (then again it has trouble with all systems). After all, it arguably made landfall (or at least a direct hit) on the the US.
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#133 Postby Kingarabian » Sat Aug 02, 2014 4:59 pm


I don't think it would have been a waste. It could have helped the CPHC a bit, which had trouble with it (then again it has trouble with all systems). After all, it arguably made landfall (or at least a direct hit) on the the US.


Yeah. I was begging for recon last year but they had to go through sequestration. I actually remember them saying something about wanting to send recon for Flossie. This year seems to be different.
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#134 Postby Yellow Evan » Sat Aug 02, 2014 5:04 pm

Kingarabian wrote:

I don't think it would have been a waste. It could have helped the CPHC a bit, which had trouble with it (then again it has trouble with all systems). After all, it arguably made landfall (or at least a direct hit) on the the US.


Yeah. I was begging for recon last year but they had to go through sequestration. I actually remember them saying something about wanting to send recon for Flossie. This year seems to be different.


They probs have extra funds left over from last season.
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#135 Postby Kingarabian » Sat Aug 02, 2014 6:34 pm

Looks like it's deepening again right now with deep convection building south of the eye and moving west. Shear from the NE is evident.


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ADT raw T# up to 6.0. I think it'll level off at 5.5.
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#136 Postby Yellow Evan » Sat Aug 02, 2014 6:36 pm

Kingarabian wrote:Looks like it's deepening again right now with deep convection building south of the eye and moving west. Shear from the NE is evident.


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ADT raw T# up to 6.0. I think it'll level off at 5.5.


We could see a major tonight at this rate.
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#137 Postby Yellow Evan » Sat Aug 02, 2014 6:44 pm

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Re: EPAC: ISELLE - Hurricane

#138 Postby supercane4867 » Sat Aug 02, 2014 6:46 pm

CIMSS analysis indicate just over 10kt of shear on Iselle with a large anticyclone building to its west which will improve the upper environment by then.
The peak intensity should be at least 95kt if not already stronger.

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#139 Postby Yellow Evan » Sat Aug 02, 2014 6:49 pm

supercane4867 wrote:CIMSS analysis indicate just over 10kt of shear on Iselle with a large anticyclone building to its west which will improve the upper environment by then.
The peak intensity should be at least 95kt if not alrealy stronger.

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I'm pretty sure this will be a major. Shear is gonna decrease a bit, SST's will decrease, but as Daniel 12 proved, it may not stop it from intensifying.

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Re: EPAC: ISELLE - Hurricane

#140 Postby hawaiigirl » Sat Aug 02, 2014 7:02 pm

Hmmm I wonder how hard this will hit Oahu.
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