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Re: Texas Winter 2020-2021

#1301 Postby DonWrk » Fri Jan 08, 2021 2:51 pm

HRRR renews some hope?!

Edit: looks so much better vs the trend for today
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Re: Texas Winter 2020-2021

#1302 Postby Cerlin » Fri Jan 08, 2021 2:56 pm

DonWrk wrote:HRRR renews some hope?!

Edit: looks so much better vs the trend for today

HRRR in the longer range (every 6 hours) tends to have a slight northern bias from what I’ve seen but it’s at least promising!
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Re: Texas Winter 2020-2021

#1303 Postby Captmorg70 » Fri Jan 08, 2021 2:56 pm

DonWrk wrote:HRRR renews some hope?!

Edit: looks so much better vs the trend for today


I feel like it’s a dangerous game hoping the extended HRRR is showing a new trend.

The storm should be sampled now and especially by the 00z runs tonight. So it will be interesting to see what the 18z and 00z runs look like.
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Re: Texas Winter 2020-2021

#1304 Postby bubba hotep » Fri Jan 08, 2021 3:02 pm

Not too shabby but it is at the end of the run.

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Re: Texas Winter 2020-2021

#1305 Postby Ntxw » Fri Jan 08, 2021 3:06 pm

Captmorg70 wrote:
DonWrk wrote:HRRR renews some hope?!

Edit: looks so much better vs the trend for today


I feel like it’s a dangerous game hoping the extended HRRR is showing a new trend.

The storm should be sampled now and especially by the 00z runs tonight. So it will be interesting to see what the 18z and 00z runs look like.


I would not say HRRR is a trend. It's pretty on par with the initial band of snow that moves through early in the game from all the models, Sunday morning period is going to snow in DFW. The question is after does it continue to snow or the qpf shift southward for bigger totals.
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Re: Texas Winter 2020-2021

#1306 Postby txtwister78 » Fri Jan 08, 2021 3:06 pm

bubba hotep wrote:Not too shabby but it is at the end of the run.

https://www.tropicaltidbits.com/analysis/models/hrrr/2021010818/hrrr_ref_frzn_scus_48.png


Yeah I would definitely caution against using the HRRR as a reliable tool longer than 18 hours out (even that is subject to change). Very suspect. Just my .02 folks.
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Re: Texas Winter 2020-2021

#1307 Postby Ralph's Weather » Fri Jan 08, 2021 3:09 pm

HRRR is much faster than other models (by 6 or so hours), it clearly showing the banding nature of this event.
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Re: Texas Winter 2020-2021

#1308 Postby Captmorg70 » Fri Jan 08, 2021 3:11 pm

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Captmorg70 wrote:
DonWrk wrote:HRRR renews some hope?!

Edit: looks so much better vs the trend for today


I feel like it’s a dangerous game hoping the extended HRRR is showing a new trend.

The storm should be sampled now and especially by the 00z runs tonight. So it will be interesting to see what the 18z and 00z runs look like.


I would not say HRRR is a trend. It's pretty on par with the initial band of snow that moves through early in the game from all the models, Sunday morning period is going to snow in DFW. The question is after does it continue to snow or the qpf shift southward for bigger totals.


100% agree. I don’t believe you could ever call one model run a trend. Also, I feel the HRRR looks nice but hr 48 of the HRRR is probably unreliable.
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Re: Texas Winter 2020-2021

#1309 Postby Cerlin » Fri Jan 08, 2021 3:14 pm

HRRR isn’t the best at placement for storms but it always nails the banding nature of winter storms like this. I think this is a real boom or bust scenario for DFW. Places might see less than an inch. Or they’ll see more than 4 inches. Realistically, I don’t think you can rule either out but both are probably more likely than an inch or two of snow.
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Re: Texas Winter 2020-2021

#1310 Postby Haris » Fri Jan 08, 2021 3:21 pm

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Re: Texas Winter 2020-2021

#1311 Postby bubba hotep » Fri Jan 08, 2021 3:25 pm

Ralph's Weather wrote:HRRR is much faster than other models (by 6 or so hours), it clearly showing the banding nature of this event.


Did someone say banding?

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Re: Texas Winter 2020-2021

#1312 Postby Ntxw » Fri Jan 08, 2021 3:25 pm

I say we take the 18z NAM and call it a day. Everyone wins!
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Re: Texas Winter 2020-2021

#1313 Postby Cerlin » Fri Jan 08, 2021 3:30 pm

NAM dumps 5-8 inches for most of the metroplex, and (if i have my counties right) a sharp gradient for Austin from 3 inches to nearly a foot.
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Re: Texas Winter 2020-2021

#1314 Postby txtwister78 » Fri Jan 08, 2021 3:31 pm

NAM 3K definitely likes Waco area with this run. Some good convective precip potential leading to heavier amounts. Much less further north (but still an inch or 2 for DFW). Even our friends down near Austin get in on the action. Hope for all still.
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Re: Texas Winter 2020-2021

#1315 Postby Ntxw » Fri Jan 08, 2021 3:32 pm

Cerlin wrote:NAM dumps 5-8 inches for most of the metroplex, and (if i have my counties right) a sharp gradient for Austin from 3 inches to nearly a foot.


The trowal feature disappeared the past few runs but is back, at least for this run with the passing ULL overhead.
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Re: Texas Winter 2020-2021

#1316 Postby Haris » Fri Jan 08, 2021 3:33 pm

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Highest totals *IFF* they verify since 1988
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Re: Texas Winter 2020-2021

#1317 Postby Wthrlvrmom » Fri Jan 08, 2021 3:34 pm

Winter storm watch issued for us here in Parker County. I’m Aledo.
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Re: Texas Winter 2020-2021

#1318 Postby txtwister78 » Fri Jan 08, 2021 3:34 pm

EWX just issued a winter storm watch for areas just north of Austin.

FWD has issued a watch but does not include the Metroplex at this time.
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Re: Texas Winter 2020-2021

#1319 Postby bubba hotep » Fri Jan 08, 2021 3:45 pm

Ntxw wrote:
Cerlin wrote:NAM dumps 5-8 inches for most of the metroplex, and (if i have my counties right) a sharp gradient for Austin from 3 inches to nearly a foot.


The trowal feature disappeared the past few runs but is back, at least for this run with the passing ULL overhead.


That and convection isn't as intense with the coastal low. Any delay in the transfer to the coastal or a weakening trend with the coastal plays a big role in the modulation of qpf totals up north. Minor but encouraging trends so far at 18z. Still think we could see some curve balls at 00z as the afternoon balloons from the NW are assimilated into the 00z cycle.
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Re: Texas Winter 2020-2021

#1320 Postby Brent » Fri Jan 08, 2021 3:46 pm

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