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jschlitz wrote:It just seems that NOAA has a stated mission/vision for the future and Proenza is against it. Compile that with the fact he ratted-out their bogus anniversary celebration and he probably had the equivalent of a mob contract placed on him.
artist wrote:hey Ivanhater - good to see you too! There have been a few in the last couple of years!
Could this just maybe have some bearing on what is going on? This is from March of this year.3. Key Events:
o Monday=s Keynote Address by VADM Conrad C. Lautenbacher, Jr., USN (Ret.), Under
Secretary of Commerce for Oceans and Atmosphere/Administrator of the National Oceanic
and Atmospheric Administration (NOAA). VADM Lautenbacher began by highlighting the
success we have achieved with track forecasts, noting the 48-hour track forecasts have
improved 3.5 percent per year on average since 1985. Intensity forecasts, however, have
only improved about 0.8 percent per year—that’s where the challenge lies. Whether we’re
talking about data collection and observations; modeling and prediction; transition from
research to operations; or preparedness, response, and recovery; the key to future success is
collaborative partnerships and coordination among the federal agencies, non-government
organizations, the international community, the academic community, and the private sector.
One initiative that VADM Lautenbacher highlighted was the Geo-Targeted Alerting...
and a quote from Mr. Proenza from the same conference -- Mr. Proenza began by stating that despite the high level of national concern over the
threat to life and the Nation’s economic well-being, insufficient resources prevents
needed operational science and technology infusion into the Nation’s hurricane warning
program. As a result, the tropical cyclone community is compelled to make
extraordinary efforts to “partner” our national talents and resources to meet operational
needs. In fact, the interagency strategic research plan for tropical cyclones cites the need
for large investments in operational hurricane research and development efforts. The
success of the plan, however, will rest on the federal agencies’ ability to develop and
fund an interagency implementation strategy under the sponsorship of the OFCM.
There is a lot more. This is from The 61st Interdepartmental Hurricane Conference (IHC)
There are a total of 5 pages. The link is -
http://www.ofcm.gov/ihc07/61ihc_summary ... 032107.pdf
I just am thinking this is much more complex than we are all seeing - maybe having to do with the future of operations as has been mentioned before, etc. Just thinking here. I'd love to get some others thoughts.
The hurricane center senior forecasters told the Herald Proenza had overplayed the significance of losing the QuikScat satellite and said it wasn't nearly as important as reconnaissance flights into storms.
One, Rick Knabb, appeared to contradict himself; he'd said in a June 2006 hurricane center workshop, "When QuickSCAT is gone, it will be like going back several years in tropical cyclone analysis." Supervisors had called on Proenza to tone down his rhetoric and focus on forecasting. Proenza had made their letters public and stuck to his guns.
jschlitz wrote:http://www.palmbeachpost.com/news/conte ... =7&cxcat=0The hurricane center senior forecasters told the Herald Proenza had overplayed the significance of losing the QuikScat satellite and said it wasn't nearly as important as reconnaissance flights into storms.
One, Rick Knabb, appeared to contradict himself; he'd said in a June 2006 hurricane center workshop, "When QuickSCAT is gone, it will be like going back several years in tropical cyclone analysis." Supervisors had called on Proenza to tone down his rhetoric and focus on forecasting. Proenza had made their letters public and stuck to his guns.
The day this was announced was a happy day indeed at SRHQ in Fort Worth.
I wonder how many veteran forecasters at NHC will retire, once the "micromanager" arrives?[/Quote]
Skyhawk wrote:I found this interesting post on a forum made on Dec 9, 2009 three days after Mr. Proenza's appointment was announced.The day this was announced was a happy day indeed at SRHQ in Fort Worth.
I wonder how many veteran forecasters at NHC will retire, once the "micromanager" arrives?[/Quote]
http://www.medialine.com/medialineUBB/u ... 3;t=006994
This is interesting side that I had not thought of. I think you're correct in this thinking. The public always likes to rally around the guy who speaks up for the people. I think this could slap NOAA in the face if they're not careful. If they wait around too long before firing him then he'll have too much momentum. The tables could turn at any time. The NHC forecasters need this to go away as well.Regit wrote:More media sources are picking up on this and if no real news is able to bury the story, it may end up getting into the public awareness.
I think it's very clear who the public will favor. You have two sides:
One on side, Proenza, the experienced, hands-on administrator who speaks out against government waste.
On the other, the science weenies who don't even have the class to keep quiet (at least that's how the public will see it).
The US public as a general rule love people who criticize government spending. Also, over the past decade or so, there has begun an increasing anti-science sentiment in America, so that certainly won't help the forecasters.
If I'm Proenza, I want this to be the top story on CNN.
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