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Re: Texas Winter 2023-2024

#1841 Postby orangeblood » Tue Jan 09, 2024 8:51 am

Ntxw wrote:
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Ntxw wrote:6z GFS going to Euro. Icon is stronger with the western system. Odds of a sig winter storm with the Arctic front is getting louder.

12z soon.


GFS Ens has low confidence right now...it's a fairly small S/W coming thru the North Pacific that the Euro is banking on for this storm, have low confidence in this one at this point IMHO

https://images.weatherbell.com/model/gfs-ensemble-all-avg/tx/precip_6hr_ptype_multimember_panel/1704780000/1705320000-VPYdE5B2eRk.png


It's upstream with diving energy that plays with the s/w. We are also in an El Nino, 250mb anomaly shows STJ is very much active.


Agreed the potential is there but when I see tiny s/w's models are banking on for big storms, it gives me pause. They are much more vulnerable to perturbations in the upper levels and sometimes get swallowed up by a TPV of this magnitude.

The tiny s/w we're talking about is right south of Alaska on this, 6z Euro is already weaker with it compared to 12z
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Re: Texas Winter 2023-2024

#1842 Postby wxman57 » Tue Jan 09, 2024 8:56 am

Tammie wrote:
ThunderSleetDreams wrote:Where’s my favorite Houston cyclist?

We live a few miles south of the Red River. I saw a bicyclist heading up Highway 75 toward OK Monday afternoon. He was towing behind him, a small cart with rocks, bricks, and sheet metal(?). I could not see his face because he was wearing a welding mask. Could this be the mysterious Houston cyclist you’re referring to????


I can neither confirm or deny that observation.
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Re: Texas Winter 2023-2024

#1843 Postby Ntxw » Tue Jan 09, 2024 8:57 am

orangeblood wrote:
Ntxw wrote:
orangeblood wrote:
GFS Ens has low confidence right now...it's a fairly small S/W coming thru the North Pacific that the Euro is banking on for this storm, have low confidence in this one at this point IMHO

https://images.weatherbell.com/model/gfs-ensemble-all-avg/tx/precip_6hr_ptype_multimember_panel/1704780000/1705320000-VPYdE5B2eRk.png


It's upstream with diving energy that plays with the s/w. We are also in an El Nino, 250mb anomaly shows STJ is very much active.


Agreed the potential is there but when I see tiny s/w's models are banking on for big storms, it gives me pause. They are much more vulnerable to perturbations in the upper levels and sometimes get swallowed up by a TPV of this magnitude.

The tiny s/w we're talking about is right south of Alaska on this, 6z Euro is already weaker with it compared to 12z
https://images.weatherbell.com/model/ecmwf-deterministic/nhemi/z500_anom/1704780000/1705104000-RNK9dLbGBv4.png


I agree it's not a huge feature at the moment. With the deep cold air mass though it would not take much qpf. We just need some kind of lift and an STJ connection. 2/14/2021 only featured 0.14" of liquid to produce one of the most memorable deep arctic frontal passages.
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Re: Texas Winter 2023-2024

#1844 Postby rwfromkansas » Tue Jan 09, 2024 9:00 am

Wow, the KS storm was insane. My hometown got around 10 inches. The insane drifts of 5 feet or more make exact measurements difficult. But, very over-performing up there. Nice snowpack laid down.

I do not recall so many major county or state highways completely closed growing up there.
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Re: Texas Winter 2023-2024

#1845 Postby wxman57 » Tue Jan 09, 2024 9:01 am

Overnight GFS is colder for north Houston. Below freezing from 8am Monday to 1pm Tuesday.

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EC favors NE TX with some snow early next week.

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00Z EC also wants to share some freezing rain with you up there. Maybe 1/4" for D-FW?
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Re: Texas Winter 2023-2024

#1846 Postby WacoWx » Tue Jan 09, 2024 9:06 am

I will be landing at DFW on Sunday at 8p. Is there any model depicting precip at that time at the moment? I know there will be wind and cold temps, but precip is concerning.

I was under the impression that any precip would be Monday morning.
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Re: Texas Winter 2023-2024

#1847 Postby Ntxw » Tue Jan 09, 2024 9:11 am

WacoWx wrote:I will be landing at DFW on Sunday at 8p. Is there any model depicting precip at that time at the moment? I know there will be wind and cold temps, but precip is concerning.

I was under the impression that any precip would be Monday morning.


Both GFS and Euro depict possible precip 0z Mon which is actually Sunday evening. Very early though. It depends on how the STJ interacts with the S/W. The further south it digs, the more it can tap into moisture to ride over the front.
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Re: Texas Winter 2023-2024

#1848 Postby Fifty Rock » Tue Jan 09, 2024 9:14 am

HockeyTx82 wrote:FWD is not sold on precip next week, sorry kiddos.....

.LONG TERM... /Issued 419 AM CST Tue Jan 9 2024/
/Late Week and This Weekend/

Another strong shortwave trough will move east across
Nebraska/Kansas and into the Mid Mississippi Valley Wednesday
night, before another strong trough organizes across the Desert
Southwest on Thursday. This storm system will exit out over the
region Thursday night and early Friday and will support another
strong surface cold front through the forecast area. The front
should clear the area by, or shortly after, daybreak Friday
morning. In advance of the vigorous mid level disturbance and cold
front, a 40-50 kt LLJ will help draw modified surface dew point
temperatures mostly in the 50s across far eastern North Texas into
eastern Central Texas Thursday night. The far southeast counties
may even see dew points briefly hit 60 degrees before the strong
cold front shunts it east and southeast out of these areas. An
axis of more moisture-rich air will be anchored from the Ark-La-
Tex southwest into Southeast Texas with a tight gradient of
convective rain chances as far west as I-35/35W.

Though the fast-moving cold front and dense airmass will undercut
most of the showers and storms making them primarily elevated, a
few surface-based storms are possible across our far eastern
counties. The marginal dew point temperatures combined with
relatively "cool" surface temperatures at night in the upper 50s
and lower 60s will only yield SB/MLCAPE values briefly around 500
J/KG later in the evening through midnight. However, fairly steep
lapse rates between 7-8 deg C/km will coincide with strong,
unidirectional west-southwesterly 65-75 kt deep layer shear.
These values can be attributed to a 100 kt+, jet max at at 500mb
ripping across South-Central Texas to the Upper Texas Coast.
Strong ageostrophic ascent via the left exit region will
juxtapose with the environmental set up to produce a few strong
to severe storm clusters or even a "line echo wave pattern" (or
LEWPs) containing hail and very gusty to damaging winds. The one
saving grace could be the time of day, limited surface-based
instability, and progressive nature of the synoptic features or
kinematics (cold front, shortwave, jet max, etc). Due to the more
straight-line type of hodograph and 0-1km wind fields paralleling
the intense winds aloft, any tornado threat will remain east of
our zones, though certainly a brief meso-low would need to be
monitored for closely.

In wake of this first strong cold front, low temperatures Friday
morning will start off quite chilly and range from the mid to
upper 20s across North Texas to the lower to mid 30s across
Central Texas. These chilly values combined with the very
blustery and gusty northwest winds 20 to 30 mph will yield
morning wind chill values from the single digits in the Red River
Valley, to the teens across the I-20 corridor, to the lower 20s
in eastern Central Texas. High temperatures Friday afternoon will
only reach into the 40s for all but the lower 50s across eastern
Central Texas. A chilly start to next weekend indeed with only a
brief modification with weak southerly flow Saturday and much of
Sunday. Lows will start off crisp in the 20s to mid 30s within the
dry airmass in place, but warm between the mid-upper 40s in North
Texas to the mid-upper 50s across Central Texas each afternoon.

However, the warm up will be short-lived as an even stronger and
colder arctic cold front arrives late Sunday into Monday. Better
lift and precipitation chances (sorry kiddos) should remain north
and east of our area where a strong shortwave and isentropic
ascent lifts from the Central Plains into the Ozarks and Mid
Mississippi Valley Sunday night into early morning next Monday.
Couldn`t rule out a few sprinkles or flurries across the far
eastern counties, but ensembles point to mostly a cold, blustery,
and dry forecast. What is certain is this will be quite the cold
airmass as noted by the 1040mb surface high center across the
Central High Plains. Lows Monday morning will range between the
lower teens to lower 20s across our far southeast counties.
Despite plentiful sunshine and associated insolation, as is always
the case with dense arctic airmasses, this environment will have
little impact on warming up afternoon temperatures with highs
struggling to reach or exceed freezing for all but eastern
Central Texas where lower-mid 30s are possible, but not
necessarily likely.

Just remember to wear layers on those chilly and blustery cold
days, as this is the best way to insulate one`s self. Also, :P
dripping faucets with warm water may save you the grief of a burst
water main or pipes in your home or building. Covering outdoor
faucets and turning off sprinklers wouldn`t be a bad idea either.
Stay warm North and Central Texas!

05/Marty


Lol… Sorry Kiddo’s..?? I’ve seen your posts on here. You’re setting on your hands and squirming all over the place waiting for the new models and these smart weather minded folks to post thoughts…. :lol: :lol:
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Re: Texas Winter 2023-2024

#1849 Postby Gotwood » Tue Jan 09, 2024 9:17 am

wxman57 wrote:Overnight GFS is colder for north Houston. Below freezing from 8am Monday to 1pm Tuesday.

http://wxman57.com/images/IAHGFS6ZJan9.JPG

EC favors NE TX with some snow early next week.

http://wxman57.com/images/ECSNOW.JPG

00Z EC also wants to share some freezing rain with you up there. Maybe 1/4" for D-FW?
http://wxman57.com/images/ECZR00Z9.JPG

Talk about a winter wonderland. 6 inches of snow on top of 1/4 inch of ice? Obviously the adult in me says that’s probably not a good thing but the child in me Is screaming yes lol.
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Re: Texas Winter 2023-2024

#1850 Postby Fifty Rock » Tue Jan 09, 2024 9:17 am



No one likes a bragger Brent!!!! :ggreen: :P
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Re: Texas Winter 2023-2024

#1851 Postby opticsguy » Tue Jan 09, 2024 9:19 am

TeamPlayersBlue wrote:
ThunderSleetDreams wrote:
Ntxw wrote:
Natgas has been spiking already. Getting concerned for the grid, especially with how the models are trending towards a winter storm for the state. We have a ways to go and it won't take much with that much cold. If the Euro slows down anymore this could end up a blockbuster.


Another 2021 won’t harm the grid. But if we enter 1983 territory, you could see rolling blackouts.


The grid became very close to the brink in Dec '22. I believe it went into emergency mode. Lets hope they made the proper upgrades to facilities.


Half a million more people in TX since the 2021 cold. Tens of thousands of apartment units with resistance heat now online. The Upshur electric co-op mentioned two coal plants shutting down when they raised the kWh rate by 20% for 2024
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Re: Texas Winter 2023-2024

#1852 Postby gboudx » Tue Jan 09, 2024 9:19 am

Fifty Rock wrote:Lol… Sorry Kiddo’s..?? I’ve seen your posts on here. You’re setting on your hands and squirming all over the place waiting for the new models and these smart weather minded folks to post thoughts…. :lol: :lol:


Pretty sure Hockey was recycling that term used in the FTW NWS AFD.

However, the warm up will be short-lived as an even stronger and
colder arctic cold front arrives late Sunday into Monday. Better
lift and precipitation chances (sorry kiddos) should remain north
and east of our area where a strong shortwave and isentropic
ascent lifts from the Central Plains into the Ozarks and Mid
Mississippi Valley Sunday night into early morning next Monday.
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Re: Texas Winter 2023-2024

#1853 Postby Fifty Rock » Tue Jan 09, 2024 9:28 am

gboudx wrote:
Fifty Rock wrote:Lol… Sorry Kiddo’s..?? I’ve seen your posts on here. You’re setting on your hands and squirming all over the place waiting for the new models and these smart weather minded folks to post thoughts…. :lol: :lol:


Pretty sure Hockey was recycling that term used in the FTW NWS AFD.

However, the warm up will be short-lived as an even stronger and
colder arctic cold front arrives late Sunday into Monday. Better
lift and precipitation chances (sorry kiddos) should remain north
and east of our area where a strong shortwave and isentropic
ascent lifts from the Central Plains into the Ozarks and Mid
Mississippi Valley Sunday night into early morning next Monday.


Yes, just trying to add some fun to the already fun model watching. Don’t set on your hands too long! Your fingers will get numb. :wink:
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Re: Texas Winter 2023-2024

#1854 Postby ThunderSleetDreams » Tue Jan 09, 2024 9:41 am

opticsguy wrote:
TeamPlayersBlue wrote:
ThunderSleetDreams wrote:
Another 2021 won’t harm the grid. But if we enter 1983 territory, you could see rolling blackouts.


The grid became very close to the brink in Dec '22. I believe it went into emergency mode. Lets hope they made the proper upgrades to facilities.


Half a million more people in TX since the 2021 cold. Tens of thousands of apartment units with resistance heat now online. The Upshur electric co-op mentioned two coal plants shutting down when they raised the kWh rate by 20% for 2024



Our idiotic EPA at work. Sigh
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Re: Texas Winter 2023-2024

#1855 Postby Tireman4 » Tue Jan 09, 2024 9:54 am

wxman57 wrote:
Tammie wrote:
ThunderSleetDreams wrote:Where’s my favorite Houston cyclist?

We live a few miles south of the Red River. I saw a bicyclist heading up Highway 75 toward OK Monday afternoon. He was towing behind him, a small cart with rocks, bricks, and sheet metal(?). I could not see his face because he was wearing a welding mask. Could this be the mysterious Houston cyclist you’re referring to????


I can neither confirm or deny that observation.



Sources say that your sighting could be true. We have various reports that the suspect in question might be he. Stay tuned for news at 11
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Re: Texas Winter 2023-2024

#1856 Postby HockeyTx82 » Tue Jan 09, 2024 9:55 am

gboudx wrote:
Fifty Rock wrote:Lol… Sorry Kiddo’s..?? I’ve seen your posts on here. You’re setting on your hands and squirming all over the place waiting for the new models and these smart weather minded folks to post thoughts…. :lol: :lol:


Pretty sure Hockey was recycling that term used in the FTW NWS AFD.

However, the warm up will be short-lived as an even stronger and
colder arctic cold front arrives late Sunday into Monday. Better
lift and precipitation chances (sorry kiddos) should remain north
and east of our area where a strong shortwave and isentropic
ascent lifts from the Central Plains into the Ozarks and Mid
Mississippi Valley Sunday night into early morning next Monday.


Haha, yes. Just using the NWS wording.

I have a very odd sense of humor so please take my posts sometimes as such when I have comments like that.

I've been on this board long enough I think the old guard knows me better.

Looks interesting next week for sure.
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Re: Texas Winter 2023-2024

#1857 Postby rwfromkansas » Tue Jan 09, 2024 9:55 am

ThunderSleetDreams wrote:
opticsguy wrote:
TeamPlayersBlue wrote:
The grid became very close to the brink in Dec '22. I believe it went into emergency mode. Lets hope they made the proper upgrades to facilities.


Half a million more people in TX since the 2021 cold. Tens of thousands of apartment units with resistance heat now online. The Upshur electric co-op mentioned two coal plants shutting down when they raised the kWh rate by 20% for 2024



Our idiotic EPA at work. Sigh


Pretty soon they will not only ban gas stoves but gas and wood-burning fireplaces (save the trees!).

Anyway, on precip, until I see the GFS get excited, I am very skeptical. In 2021 the nice thing was we knew precip was coming early. We just didn't have the details.

This, we know the cold is coming. The precip is the question.
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Re: Texas Winter 2023-2024

#1858 Postby Texas Snow » Tue Jan 09, 2024 9:56 am

orangeblood wrote:
Ntxw wrote:6z GFS going to Euro. Icon is stronger with the western system. Odds of a sig winter storm with the Arctic front is getting louder.

12z soon.


GFS Ens has low confidence right now...it's a fairly small S/W coming thru the North Pacific that the Euro is banking on for this storm, have low confidence in this one at this point IMHO

https://images.weatherbell.com/model/gfs-ensemble-all-avg/tx/precip_6hr_ptype_multimember_panel/1704780000/1705320000-VPYdE5B2eRk.png


Anyone have the EPS individual panels they can share?
GFS ensembles above not too impressive with precip so curious what Euro members showing beyond the EC Heatmiser posted.
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Re: Texas Winter 2023-2024

#1859 Postby Brent » Tue Jan 09, 2024 9:59 am

We barely had a dusting here and there's tons of wrecks all over the city

Maybe we don't need more snow if this is how it's gonna be :spam: :lol:
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Re: Texas Winter 2023-2024

#1860 Postby bubba hotep » Tue Jan 09, 2024 10:07 am

Ntxw wrote:6z GFS going to Euro. Icon is stronger with the western system. Odds of a sig winter storm with the Arctic front is getting louder.

12z soon.


The funny thing is that the 06 GEFS trended drier. However, the 00z EPS took a big step towards the OP. Given the chaos in the high lats, the higher res OP might be a better guide, given we are inside of a week now. I know that the Euro OP can sometimes lead the EPS vs. what you would typically think of looking towards the ensembles for trends.
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