Retirement Surprises

[Matt-hurricanewatcher]

Non-retirements:
Hilda in 1955: 300+ Deaths and $120 million period damage.
Carrie in 1957: 80 deaths from a shipwreck.
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I agree it should of been retired...
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Alma in 1966: 90 deaths and $210 million period damage. June major hurricane.
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For the deaths, very retireable.
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Francelia in 1969: 100 deaths. Low damage ($4.7 million)
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Yet again the high number of deaths make it retireable.
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Dorothy in 1970: 51 deaths according to some sources.

Yet again the high "death level" makes it retireable....
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Edith in 1971: 37 deaths and $25.4 million period damage. Category 5 landfall.

For being a cat5 and death toll, I agree retirement.
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Belle in 1976: 5 deaths and $100 million period damage.

Very borderline
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Claudette in 1979: 2 deaths, but $400 million period damage.

Borderline
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Beryl in 1982: 115 deaths in Cape Verde.

Sure
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Klaus in 1984: 2 deaths, but $152 million period damage.

Nah
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Isabel in 1985: 180 deaths and $459 million period damage!

HELL Yes for the number of deaths
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Juan in 1985: 24 deaths and $1.5 billion period damage.

Borderline
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Kate in 1985: 15 deaths and $700 million period damage. November major hurricane.

Borderline, but personally yes.
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Allison in 1989: 11 deaths and $560 million period damage.

Borderline
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Chantal in 1989: 13 deaths and $100 million period damage.

Nah
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Marco in 1990: Merged with Klaus to cause decent damage. Should have been tossed out with Klaus.

Nah

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Bret in 1993: 184 deaths.

It should of been retired.
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Gert in 1993: 76 deaths and $166 million period damage.

Sure
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Alberto in 1994: 30 deaths and $531 million period damage.

Borderline
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Gordon in 1994: Need I say anything?

HELL YES, wth is wrong with people that did not retire this one???
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Erin in 1995: 13 total deaths and $700 million period damage.

Borderline
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Bertha in 1996: 12 deaths and $270 million period damage.

NO
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Lili in 1996: 10 deaths, but $660 million period damage in a wide swath of area.

Borderline
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Bonnie in 1998: 3 deaths, but $720 million period damage.

Once again borderline, but personally no.
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Frances in 1998: 2 total deaths, but $500 million period damage.

NO
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Irene in 1999: 18 total deaths, and $800 million period damage.

Maybe but I would think borderline...
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Leslie in 2000: The precursor caused $950 million period damage.

No, not even a tropical cyclone when it did that.
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Gabrielle in 2001: 3 total deaths, but $230 million period damage.

NO NO and NO
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Cindy in 2005: 3 total deaths, but $320 million period damage.

No
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Emily in 2005: Need I say anything?

Yes it was a powerful storm, but did not cause enough damage...I would say yes, but if "facts" say no then it has to be no.
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Ernesto in 2006: 11 total deaths and $500 million period damage.

NO

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I tried to be as fair as possibly to each storm...In took a minute thinking about each one. My thinking is the bolded words.

[Chacor]

Again, deaths and damage caused are not the only factors when it comes to countries requesting the retirement of storms.

Quote Environment Canada:
http://www.atl.ec.gc.ca/weather/hurrica ... ire_e.html

Hurricanes that have a severe impact on lives or the economy are remembered for generations after the devastation that they have caused. Some go into weather history. In many cases it is felt that the future use of the name of such a devastating storm is inappropriate for reasons of compassion and sensitivity.

In consideration of the lost and damaged lives, the impact to economy, and the widespread destruction of trees through out two provinces, Environment Canada, on behalf of Nova Scotians and Prince Edward Islanders, requested that the name Juan be retired.

This request was granted at the annual meeting of the WMO RAIV Hurricane Committee on April 29, 2004. This was the first time that Canada had requested the retirement of a storm name.

[HurricaneBelle]

Speaking of retirement, since it appears that Ike is a lock for retirement, and Ike itself replaced the retired Isidore, what's going to be the replacement male "I" name for 2014? The pickings are slim.

Igor (2010) and Isaac (2012) are the others in the rotation, and Irwin and Ignacio are being used in the EPac, so what does that leave? Ian? Irving? Isaiah? Ismael? Inigo (the Princess Bride hurricane)?

[Hurricanehink]

Speaking of retirement, since it appears that Ike is a lock for retirement, and Ike itself replaced the retired Isidore, what's going to be the replacement male "I" name for 2014? The pickings are slim.

Igor (2010) and Isaac (2012) are the others in the rotation, and Irwin and Ignacio are being used in the EPac, so what does that leave? Ian? Irving? Isaiah? Ismael? Inigo (the Princess Bride hurricane)?

BTW, I don't think they would do Ismael, since that was retired in 1995 for an EPAC hurricane's name.

[micktooth]

How about Farve?

[masaji79]

There are only a few more male names that begin with an I, maybe NHC should switch to some kind of naming system like the WPAC had pre-2000 with the names continuing year after year. Just something to think about, would have helped in 2005 when the names ran out.

[Ad Novoxium]

Non-retirements:
Hilda in 1955: 300+ Deaths and $120 million period damage.
Carrie in 1957: 80 deaths from a shipwreck.
...
I agree it should of been retired...
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Alma in 1966: 90 deaths and $210 million period damage. June major hurricane.
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For the deaths, very retireable.
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Francelia in 1969: 100 deaths. Low damage ($4.7 million)
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Yet again the high number of deaths make it retireable.
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Dorothy in 1970: 51 deaths according to some sources.

Yet again the high "death level" makes it retireable....
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Edith in 1971: 37 deaths and $25.4 million period damage. Category 5 landfall.

For being a cat5 and death toll, I agree retirement.
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Belle in 1976: 5 deaths and $100 million period damage.

Very borderline
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Claudette in 1979: 2 deaths, but $400 million period damage.

Borderline
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Beryl in 1982: 115 deaths in Cape Verde.

Sure
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Klaus in 1984: 2 deaths, but $152 million period damage.

Nah
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Isabel in 1985: 180 deaths and $459 million period damage!

HELL Yes for the number of deaths
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Juan in 1985: 24 deaths and $1.5 billion period damage.

Borderline
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Kate in 1985: 15 deaths and $700 million period damage. November major hurricane.

Borderline, but personally yes.
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Allison in 1989: 11 deaths and $560 million period damage.

Borderline
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Chantal in 1989: 13 deaths and $100 million period damage.

Nah
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Marco in 1990: Merged with Klaus to cause decent damage. Should have been tossed out with Klaus.

Nah

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Bret in 1993: 184 deaths.

It should of been retired.
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Gert in 1993: 76 deaths and $166 million period damage.

Sure
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Alberto in 1994: 30 deaths and $531 million period damage.

Borderline
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Gordon in 1994: Need I say anything?

HELL YES, wth is wrong with people that did not retire this one???
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Erin in 1995: 13 total deaths and $700 million period damage.

Borderline
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Bertha in 1996: 12 deaths and $270 million period damage.

NO
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Lili in 1996: 10 deaths, but $660 million period damage in a wide swath of area.

Borderline
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Bonnie in 1998: 3 deaths, but $720 million period damage.

Once again borderline, but personally no.
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Frances in 1998: 2 total deaths, but $500 million period damage.

NO
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Irene in 1999: 18 total deaths, and $800 million period damage.

Maybe but I would think borderline...
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Leslie in 2000: The precursor caused $950 million period damage.

No, not even a tropical cyclone when it did that.
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Gabrielle in 2001: 3 total deaths, but $230 million period damage.

NO NO and NO
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Cindy in 2005: 3 total deaths, but $320 million period damage.

No
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Emily in 2005: Need I say anything?

Yes it was a powerful storm, but did not cause enough damage...I would say yes, but if "facts" say no then it has to be no.
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Ernesto in 2006: 11 total deaths and $500 million period damage.

NO

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I tried to be as fair as possibly to each storm...In took a minute thinking about each one. My thinking is the bolded words.

I'm actually a tad bit flattered you gave opinions for nearly all of them (Hilda notwithstanding).

[Matt-hurricanewatcher]

There are only a few more male names that begin with an I, maybe NHC should switch to some kind of naming system like the WPAC had pre-2000 with the names continuing year after year. Just something to think about, would have helped in 2005 when the names ran out.

No just unretire all the systems that caused less then a Billion dollars or 30 deaths.

[Ed Mahmoud]

Speaking of retirement, since it appears that Ike is a lock for retirement, and Ike itself replaced the retired Isidore, what's going to be the replacement male "I" name for 2014? The pickings are slim.

Igor (2010) and Isaac (2012) are the others in the rotation, and Irwin and Ignacio are being used in the EPac, so what does that leave? Ian? Irving? Isaiah? Ismael? Inigo (the Princess Bride hurricane)?

BTW, I don't think they would do Ismael, since that was retired in 1995 for an EPAC hurricane's name.

Ignatius, the Latin form of Ignacio, would work.

More male "I" names here...

[HURAKAN]

Ignacio is being used in the EPAC.



Ignacio in 2003.

[Ed Mahmoud]

:uarrow: Ignacio is being used in the EPAC.



Ignacio in 2002.

Hence, Ignatius. As in St. Ignatius of Loyola. One of the parishes near where I live is St. Ignatius of Loyola, and I used to go there for confession, because I figure the priests in my parish would recognize me. They just switched in regular diocescan priests there a year or two back, but St. Ignatius used to have Jesuits, who are very low on the guilt thing, as far as being Catholic goes, and made confession easy.


Anyway, Ignatius instead of Ignacio. Just like Ian, Sean, Juan, Ivan and John are all the same name, but in different languages.

[HURAKAN]

Ike should be replaced by Ian. Easy to pronounce and compact just like Ike. The simpler the better.

[Cyclone1]

Let's stray away from Atlantic storms for a bit.

Paul 1982, Pacific, killed several thousand as a tropical depression before becoming a named storm.

[fasterdisaster]

Speaking of retirement, since it appears that Ike is a lock for retirement, and Ike itself replaced the retired Isidore, what's going to be the replacement male "I" name for 2014? The pickings are slim.

Igor (2010) and Isaac (2012) are the others in the rotation, and Irwin and Ignacio are being used in the EPac, so what does that leave? Ian? Irving? Isaiah? Ismael? Inigo (the Princess Bride hurricane)?

Ichabod, Icarus, Ignacio, Irwin, Ivo. There are plenty of choices, no problem.

[Cleveland Kent Evans]

Speaking of retirement, since it appears that Ike is a lock for retirement, and Ike itself replaced the retired Isidore, what's going to be the replacement male "I" name for 2014? The pickings are slim.

Igor (2010) and Isaac (2012) are the others in the rotation, and Irwin and Ignacio are being used in the EPac, so what does that leave? Ian? Irving? Isaiah? Ismael? Inigo (the Princess Bride hurricane)?

To repeat my list from the "2008 retirement" thread:

Ignace, Ilan, Irv, Irving, Ildefonso, Ilidio, Imperio, Indalecio, Inigo, Isarno, Isauro, Isidro, Italo, Ituriel, Imanol, Iago, Ichabod, Ira, Ivor, Icarus, Idris, Idwal, Ingram, Ingvar, Innes, Iorwerth, and Ithel

Ismael was retired from the EPAC list just a few years ago and so probably wouldn't be a good idea right now.

[fasterdisaster]

Speaking of retirement, since it appears that Ike is a lock for retirement, and Ike itself replaced the retired Isidore, what's going to be the replacement male "I" name for 2014? The pickings are slim.

Igor (2010) and Isaac (2012) are the others in the rotation, and Irwin and Ignacio are being used in the EPac, so what does that leave? Ian? Irving? Isaiah? Ismael? Inigo (the Princess Bride hurricane)?

To repeat my list from the "2008 retirement" thread:

Ignace, Ilan, Irv, Irving, Ildefonso, Ilidio, Imperio, Indalecio, Inigo, Isarno, Isauro, Isidro, Italo, Ituriel, Imanol, Iago, Ichabod, Ira, Ivor, Icarus, Idris, Idwal, Ingram, Ingvar, Innes, Iorwerth, and Ithel

Ismael was retired from the EPAC list just a few years ago and so probably wouldn't be a good idea right now.

They could do Ishmael, but that might be too close anyways.

I really like the sound of Hurricane Icarus though. Ichabod is probably the only name on that list before it starts getting either obscure or into mythology, maybe Inigo would work too. I think they're going to eventually, before the end of our lifetimes, start 'unretiring' some names.

[CrazyC83]

My opinions on them:

Hilda in 1955: 300+ Deaths and $120 million period damage. - Yes, should have been retired.

Carrie in 1957: 80 deaths from a shipwreck. - No, it didn't cause huge damage on a landmass so no one had a case.

Alma in 1966: 90 deaths and $210 million period damage. June major hurricane. - Yes

Francelia in 1969: 100 deaths. Low damage ($4.7 million) - Borderline

Dorothy in 1970: 51 deaths according to some sources. - No

Edith in 1971: 37 deaths and $25.4 million period damage. Category 5 landfall. - Yes

Belle in 1976: 5 deaths and $100 million period damage. - No

Claudette in 1979: 2 deaths, but $400 million period damage. - No, partly because it was a tropical storm (and certainly no Allison).

Beryl in 1982: 115 deaths in Cape Verde. - Not on the committee (I believe), so no way to get that retired.

Klaus in 1984: 2 deaths, but $152 million period damage. - No

Isabel in 1985: 180 deaths and $459 million period damage! - Borderline, case weakened by being only a tropical storm.

Juan in 1985: 24 deaths and $1.5 billion period damage. - Definitely yes.

Kate in 1985: 15 deaths and $700 million period damage. November major hurricane. - Borderline

Allison in 1989: 11 deaths and $560 million period damage. - No

Chantal in 1989: 13 deaths and $100 million period damage. - No

Marco in 1990: Merged with Klaus to cause decent damage. Should have been tossed out with Klaus. - Neither should have been retired.

Bret in 1993: 184 deaths. - I don't think Venezuela is on the committee?

Gert in 1993: 76 deaths and $166 million period damage. - Borderline

Alberto in 1994: 30 deaths and $531 million period damage. - Borderline

Gordon in 1994: Need I say anything? - Absolutely should have been, the death toll alone screams retirement.

Erin in 1995: 13 total deaths and $700 million period damage. - No

Bertha in 1996: 12 deaths and $270 million period damage. - No

Lili in 1996: 10 deaths, but $660 million period damage in a wide swath of area. - Borderline

Bonnie in 1998: 3 deaths, but $720 million period damage. - No

Frances in 1998: 2 total deaths, but $500 million period damage. - No

Irene in 1999: 18 total deaths, and $800 million period damage. - No

Leslie in 2000: The precursor caused $950 million period damage. - No, was not a tropical cyclone at the time.

Gabrielle in 2001: 3 total deaths, but $230 million period damage. - No

Cindy in 2005: 3 total deaths, but $320 million period damage. - No

Emily in 2005: Need I say anything? - Yes

Ernesto in 2006: 11 total deaths and $500 million period damage. - No

[Cleveland Kent Evans]

Ignace, Ilan, Irv, Irving, Ildefonso, Ilidio, Imperio, Indalecio, Inigo, Isarno, Isauro, Isidro, Italo, Ituriel, Imanol, Iago, Ichabod, Ira, Ivor, Icarus, Idris, Idwal, Ingram, Ingvar, Innes, Iorwerth, and Ithel

Ismael was retired from the EPAC list just a few years ago and so probably wouldn't be a good idea right now.

They could do Ishmael, but that might be too close anyways.

I really like the sound of Hurricane Icarus though. Ichabod is probably the only name on that list before it starts getting either obscure or into mythology, maybe Inigo would work too. I think they're going to eventually, before the end of our lifetimes, start 'unretiring' some names.

At this point I see no reason for them to "unretire" names. What is an "obscure" name varies by culture and generation. Neither Irving nor Ira would be thought unusual at all by most people over 50 in the USA. Ichabod only is "unobscure" to Americans because of the fictional character of Ichabod Crane. It would be very obscure in Latin America. Many of the names on the above list which seem obscure to you are not necessarily so in Latin America. And in modern times given names for humans in English, French, and Spanish speaking cultures are becoming more varied all the time. Ian would have seemed very obscure to most people in the USA a couple of generations ago, but now we are all familiar with it.

[HurricaneBill]

Let's stray away from Atlantic storms for a bit.

Paul 1982, Pacific, killed several thousand as a tropical depression before becoming a named storm.

Liza 1976, EPAC, struck Mexico as a Category 4. Caused a dam to burst in La Paz, killing at least 600.

[Ad Novoxium]

Bret in 1993: 184 deaths. - I don't think Venezuela is on the committee?

They are. WMO page states this from when I checked.