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Re: 2025 Global ACE: NH -138.8 (223.4) / NATL - 36.9 (24.9) / EPAC - 49.4 (71.7) / WPAC - 52.5 (117.3) / NIO - 0 (9.5)

#21 Postby LarryWx » Mon Aug 25, 2025 11:17 am

cycloneye wrote:Down to 147 today, will probably dip into the 130-135 range by 9/10 unless we unexpectedly generate some ACE before then. More importantly U.S. ACE is falling as well, odds of 3+ U.S. hurricane landfalls now less than 25%.

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Thanks, Luis. Seasons with 3+ H hits on the CONUS are considered quite active for the CONUS. They include these over the last 30 seasons (current active era): 2024, 20, 17, 08, 05, 04, 1999, 98

So, that’s 8 out of 30 or 27% with 3+ CONUS H hits. Thus, he’s saying odds of 3+ have dropped to slightly lower than the normal chance of the active era. That seems to me like a reasonable drop considering the chance of the first prior to Sept 7th is low per models.
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Re: 2025 Global ACE: NH - 150.3 (277.0) / NATL - 39.0 (43.1) / EPAC - 57.8 (84.8) / WPAC - 53.5 (139.6) / NIO - 0 (9

#22 Postby cycloneye » Wed Sep 03, 2025 6:00 am

NATL better start to get ACE soon or it will fall well behind the normal average. WPAC continues to be the worse basin as the gap between 2025 ACE and the average to this date continues to get very wide.
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Re: 2025 Global ACE: NH - 164.1 (286.4) / NATL - 39.0 (47.0) / EPAC - 70.8 (86.9) / WPAC - 54.3 (143.0) / NIO - 0 (9

#23 Postby KWT » Fri Sep 05, 2025 11:57 am

Hard to see anyway the WPAC catches up to average now, would need an exceptional burst and nothing on the horizon that would be suggestive of that level of activity.

EPAC and NATL aren't far from average but the EPAC looks like after Kiko there isn't much on the docket, so even if it does catch up to average in the next few days it will soon fall behind again,

The NATL did look like it might catch up but 91l increasingly looks like it might not come off, at least in any great way, so the NATL is increasingly slipping behind the pace. Of course in recent years the 2nd half of the season has often exploded, so that doesn't mean a great deal for the moment, though the longer it takes to get things going the more the odds of a technical below average ACE season increases.
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Re: 2025 Global ACE: NH - 164.1 (286.4) / NATL - 39.0 (47.0) / EPAC - 70.8 (86.9) / WPAC - 54.3 (143.0) / NIO - 0 (9

#24 Postby LarryWx » Fri Sep 05, 2025 12:11 pm

KWT wrote:Hard to see anyway the WPAC catches up to average now, would need an exceptional burst and nothing on the horizon that would be suggestive of that level of activity.

EPAC and NATL aren't far from average but the EPAC looks like after Kiko there isn't much on the docket, so even if it does catch up to average in the next few days it will soon fall behind again,

The NATL did look like it might catch up but 91l increasingly looks like it might not come off, at least in any great way, so the NATL is increasingly slipping behind the pace. Of course in recent years the 2nd half of the season has often exploded, so that doesn't mean a great deal for the moment, though the longer it takes to get things going the more the odds of a technical below average ACE season increases.


As a result of the large amount of ACE from Erin, 2025 NATL climbed out of the depths to way up at 12th of the last 75 for the date as of August 22nd. But with only a few ACE from Fernand since then, 2025 with its current 39 has fallen all of the way back to 33rd of the last 75 and just below the mean since 1951 of 41 and solidly below the 1991-2020 mean near 50. That 1991-2020 mean rises to ~60 as of Sep 10th. So, absent 91L developing into a TS+ during the next 5 days, ACE would very likely fall to well below the active era mean as of Sept 10th.
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#25 Postby cycloneye » Sat Sep 13, 2025 9:35 am

As of 9/13/25, the gap at the NATL continues to get larger between the 2025 data and the average. WPAC has a bigger gap.
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#26 Postby al78 » Wed Sep 17, 2025 7:25 am

Question is, what is suppressing tropical cyclone activity across the entire northern hemisphere? I don't recall a year where every single basin was below average, normally if the Pacific is quiet, the Atlantic is active and vice versa. The NE Pacific has generated a lot of storms but most have been weak systems and the ACE is still below climatology to-date, would have been even quieter without the huge boost from Kiko. The N Indian never spawned anything in its spring period.
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#27 Postby cycloneye » Wed Sep 17, 2025 7:35 am

Looks like WPAC will get plenty of ACE in the next 2 weeks with 90W and 91W.
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#28 Postby StormWeather » Wed Sep 17, 2025 7:45 am

al78 wrote:Question is, what is suppressing tropical cyclone activity across the entire northern hemisphere? I don't recall a year where every single basin was below average, normally if the Pacific is quiet, the Atlantic is active and vice versa. The NE Pacific has generated a lot of storms but most have been weak systems and the ACE is still below climatology to-date, would have been even quieter without the huge boost from Kiko. The N Indian never spawned anything in its spring period.

Is it really weak when every EPAC system (only EPAC, no CPAC) has peaked at 50 kts or higher?

Alvin - 50 kts
Barbara - 65 kts
Cosme - 60 kts
Dalila - 55 kts
Erick - 125 kts
Flossie - 105 kts
Gil - 65 kts
Henriette (was in CPAC at peak) - 75 kts
Ivo - 55 kts
Juliette - 60 kts
Kiko - 125 kts
Lorena - 75 kts
Mario - 55 kts
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#29 Postby AJC3 » Wed Sep 17, 2025 9:37 am

StormWeather wrote:
al78 wrote:Question is, what is suppressing tropical cyclone activity across the entire northern hemisphere? I don't recall a year where every single basin was below average, normally if the Pacific is quiet, the Atlantic is active and vice versa. The NE Pacific has generated a lot of storms but most have been weak systems and the ACE is still below climatology to-date, would have been even quieter without the huge boost from Kiko. The N Indian never spawned anything in its spring period.

Is it really weak when every EPAC system (only EPAC, no CPAC) has peaked at 50 kts or higher?

Alvin - 50 kts
Barbara - 65 kts
Cosme - 60 kts
Dalila - 55 kts
Erick - 125 kts
Flossie - 105 kts
Gil - 65 kts
Henriette (was in CPAC at peak) - 75 kts
Ivo - 55 kts
Juliette - 60 kts
Kiko - 125 kts
Lorena - 75 kts
Mario - 55 kts


Agreed. And those two CPAC storms (Iona and Keli) do count toward the long term average EOS numbers, which are 15/8/4. The combined basin numbers currently sit at... *drum roll* 15/8/4 as of 9/17!! Even if you don't count those two storms, the numbers are 13/7/3 with plenty of season left. And the combined basin ACE to date is only 10 units below where it should be, which could very easily be made up by the EOS, or even the EOM, for that matter. What that tells me is that the EPAC is only runnning slightly below normal in terms of storm longevity, not intensity.
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#30 Postby Ulf » Wed Sep 17, 2025 9:42 pm

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al78 wrote:Question is, what is suppressing tropical cyclone activity across the entire northern hemisphere? I don't recall a year where every single basin was below average, normally if the Pacific is quiet, the Atlantic is active and vice versa. The NE Pacific has generated a lot of storms but most have been weak systems and the ACE is still below climatology to-date, would have been even quieter without the huge boost from Kiko. The N Indian never spawned anything in its spring period.

Is it really weak when every EPAC system (only EPAC, no CPAC) has peaked at 50 kts or higher?

Alvin - 50 kts
Barbara - 65 kts
Cosme - 60 kts
Dalila - 55 kts
Erick - 125 kts
Flossie - 105 kts
Gil - 65 kts
Henriette (was in CPAC at peak) - 75 kts
Ivo - 55 kts
Juliette - 60 kts
Kiko - 125 kts
Lorena - 75 kts
Mario - 55 kts


Agreed. And those two CPAC storms (Iona and Keli) do count toward the long term average EOS numbers, which are 15/8/4. The combined basin numbers currently sit at... *drum roll* 15/8/4 as of 9/17!! Even if you don't count those two storms, the numbers are 13/7/3 with plenty of season left. And the combined basin ACE to date is only 10 units below where it should be, which could very easily be made up by the EOS, or even the EOM, for that matter. What that tells me is that the EPAC is only runnning slightly below normal in terms of storm longevity, not intensity.


With La Niña condition expected by October, the EPAC basin doesn't have a lot of time left to get its ACE up to climatological average value before it gets shut down.
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Re: 2025 Global ACE: NH - 203.9 (369.3) / NATL - 42.6 (81.1) / EPAC - 88.9 (102.7) / WPAC - 72.4 (175.9) / NIO - 0 (9.

#31 Postby kevin » Tue Sep 23, 2025 4:46 am

The NATL is now at 49.8 ACE due to 10.8 ACE from Gabrielle so far. The Atlantic will gain another 9 - 14 ACE from Gabrielle alone over the next 3 - 3.5 days before it becomes post-tropical according to the NHC forecast. This will push ACE to the 59 - 64 range. That's still about 25 ACE below climatology at that point, but not insurmountable if the coming weeks show an uptick in activity.
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Re: 2025 Global ACE: NH - 234.6 (379.5) / NATL - 49.8 (84.4) / EPAC - 90.4 (104.6) / WPAC - 94.4 (180.8) / NIO - 0 (9.

#32 Postby Teban54 » Tue Sep 23, 2025 10:49 pm

The Atlantic is quickly catching up in ACE with Gabrielle, which is expected to push us over 60 by itself. (CSU already has the season at 53.8.)

The 1991-2020 average ACE on this date is 84.4 - though keep in mind that this "climo" falls almost entirely within the current +AMO era, so its "average" of 122.5 for the entire season is almost approaching NOAA's "above-normal" ACE threshold of 126.1. NOAA's "near-normal" season is defined as anywhere between 73.0 and 126.1.

Regardless, if at least one of 93L and 94L become significant hurricanes, they'll help us get much closer to the 1991-2020 "above-average climo".

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What went under the radar was that West Pacific was, at one point, even more below-average in ACE than the Atlantic ever was during peak season. Before Gabrielle, the Atlantic's ACE was 54% of the 1991-2020 climo. But before Ragasa and Neoguri, WPAC was at a mere 34%.

The basin has made substantial recovery with these two Super Typhoons, but still only at 55% of climo ACE to date -- same as ATL during the pre-Gabrielle lull!

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East Pacific, surprisingly, has been below the 1991-2020 average in ACE since mid-July (albeit with a much, much smaller gap). Kiko did most of the heavy lifting by far: it generated 31 ACE, whereas no other EPAC storms this season had more than 10. Narda has a shot at closing the gap if it overperforms the NHC forecast.

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Last and least, here's the North Indian for funsies :lol:

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Re: 2025 Global ACE: NH - 290 (405.3) / NATL - 71.4 (91.7) / EPAC - 102.8 (110.1) / WPAC - 115.8 (193.6) / NIO - 0 (9

#33 Postby Travorum » Sun Sep 28, 2025 11:40 am

Thanks to Gabrielle and Humberto, the Atlantic has crossed NOAA's ACE threshold for a "near-normal" year today! The basin is ~1.5 ACE behind 2022 and 2024.

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#34 Postby Teban54 » Sun Sep 28, 2025 12:26 pm

Travorum wrote:Thanks to Gabrielle and Humberto, the Atlantic has crossed NOAA's ACE threshold for a "near-normal" year today! The basin is ~1.5 ACE behind 2022 and 2024.

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So now the fun begins... Will 2025's seasonal ACE eventually fall closer to 2022's (94.75 ACE, near-normal) or 2024's (161.01 ACE, borderline extremely active)?

(On this date, Ian was winding down; Kirk was about to form and contribute 23.7 ACE by itself; and Humberto is still a strong Cat 4 with a long way to go in the open Atlantic, and TD 9 may also contribute a bit more.)

Given the Euro weeklies for October that Larry posted, my guess would be somewhere in between, perhaps closer to 2024 than 2022.
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#35 Postby REDHurricane » Tue Sep 30, 2025 9:04 am

And just like that the Atlantic is back within 10 ACE of the 30-year average with 2 active hurricanes to boot. Yet another reminder that things can change very quickly...

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#36 Postby aspen » Thu Oct 02, 2025 6:21 am

With Imelda about to finish up, the Atlantic stands at 90.5 ACE with 9 storms so far. This puts it at about 10 ACE per storm, among the highest in the last decade, in spite of its slow start and long stretches of inactivity. Only 2017 put out more ACE per storm. Additionally, 2025 will likely surpass 2022’s total ACE sometime this month, leaving 2022 as the least active season in the ongoing 2016-present active stretch.

While I don’t expect 2025 to maintain >10 ACE/NS, it should probably still be around the 8.5-9.0 range once all is said and done, still putting it near the upper end of the list.

2025: 90.5 ACE, 9 NS (10.1 per NS)
2024: 161.5 ACE, 18 NS (9.0 per NS)
2023: 148.2 ACE, 20 NS (7.4 per NS)
2022: 94.6 ACE, 14 NS (6.8 per NS)
2021: 145.55 ACE, 21 NS (6.9 per NS)
2020: 180.30 ACE, 30 NS (6.0 per NS)
2019: 132.2 ACE, 19 NS (7.0 per NS)
2018: 132.6 ACE, 15 NS (8.8 per NS)
2017: 224.9 ACE, 17 NS (13.2 per NS)
2016: 142.5 ACE, 15 NS (9.5 per NS)
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#37 Postby KirbyDude25 » Thu Oct 02, 2025 7:45 am

aspen wrote:With Imelda about to finish up, the Atlantic stands at 90.5 ACE with 9 storms so far. This puts it at about 10 ACE per storm, among the highest in the last decade, in spite of its slow start and long stretches of inactivity. Only 2017 put out more ACE per storm. Additionally, 2025 will likely surpass 2022’s total ACE sometime this month, leaving 2022 as the least active season in the ongoing 2016-present active stretch.

While I don’t expect 2025 to maintain >10 ACE/NS, it should probably still be around the 8.5-9.0 range once all is said and done, still putting it near the upper end of the list.

2025: 90.5 ACE, 9 NS (10.1 per NS)
2024: 161.5 ACE, 18 NS (9.0 per NS)
2023: 148.2 ACE, 20 NS (7.4 per NS)
2022: 94.6 ACE, 14 NS (6.8 per NS)
2021: 145.55 ACE, 21 NS (6.9 per NS)
2020: 180.30 ACE, 30 NS (6.0 per NS)
2019: 132.2 ACE, 19 NS (7.0 per NS)
2018: 132.6 ACE, 15 NS (8.8 per NS)
2017: 224.9 ACE, 17 NS (13.2 per NS)
2016: 142.5 ACE, 15 NS (9.5 per NS)

And that's not even mentioning the fact that the first 3 storms combined for only about 1.5 ACE, meaning that the last 6 have combined for a total of 89, or roughly 14.8 ACE per storm. To be fair, most of that is Erin (32.2 ACE), Humberto (26.7), and Gabrielle (19.0), but it's still quite impressive.

Edit: Now that Imelda's dead with 7.0 ACE, we can safely say that the last 6 storms of this season have combined for 89.5 ACE for an average of roughly 14.9 per storm
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#38 Postby Teban54 » Fri Oct 03, 2025 6:32 pm

Now that there are no active storms, we can review the Atlantic's impressive late September catchup in ACE to date:

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On September 16, the season was at 39.0 ACE, significantly below the (active 1991-2020) climo of 71.9 on that date. By the time Imelda dissipated yesterday (October 2), we're now at 91.6 ACE, essentially caught up with the 96.8 as per climo. The gap shrunk from 32.9 to 5.2.
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#39 Postby cycloneye » Sat Oct 11, 2025 4:33 pm

After Jerry ended, the NATL ACE is at 96.2.

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#40 Postby cycloneye » Thu Oct 16, 2025 7:24 am

After Lorenzo, here is how things stand on the ACE count in the NATL. Let's see how much ACE gets the future TC Melissa that the models develop.

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