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#21 Postby Arizwx » Mon Apr 28, 2003 8:43 am

streetsoldier wrote:Well, today is Saddam Hussein al-Tikriti's 66th birthday; I conceded the benefit of the doubt in recognition of that factoid. LOL :wink:


Yes I know its his B-Day..which of course assumes by the US GOV that he is alive!OOOps.
Again,I ask..no comment?
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#22 Postby mf_dolphin » Mon Apr 28, 2003 8:43 am

If a deal was cut I doubt it was with the US. At the time of his disappearence there was no logic to us cutting a deal. A more likely scenario is that we was severely injured and later died in the second decapitation strike and the regime folded once he died. JMO
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#23 Postby streetsoldier » Mon Apr 28, 2003 8:46 am

OK, comment...the jury's still out on that one ("Bailiff, can you send in 100 White Castles, 30 large fries and two cases of 7-Up, please?").
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#24 Postby Arizwx » Mon Apr 28, 2003 8:50 am

mf_dolphin wrote:If a deal was cut I doubt it was with the US. At the time of his disappearence there was no logic to us cutting a deal. A more likely scenario is that we was severely injured and later died in the second decapitation strike and the regime folded once he died. JMO


Glad you responded Marshall!And Good Morning!
I do believe we infact could have cut a deal...and there is plenty of logic,IMO to support it.
The fact that we went after him and his Kids was the Drama Award 101.
Ludicrous.The way to have gotten to him was on the ground,assassins,Spec Ops...not Smart Bombs.
The illusion is brillaint,yet flawed.We may need him as a dupe to finally get to OBL..
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#25 Postby Arizwx » Mon Apr 28, 2003 8:53 am

streetsoldier wrote:OK, comment...the jury's still out on that one ("Bailiff, can you send in 100 White Castles, 30 large fries and two cases of 7-Up, please?").


The last time I had a White Castle Square Rigger,we called 'em 'Sliders' and ordered the .29cent Burgs by the Ten Bag,extra Grilled Onion..BTW..7 UP..Excellent choice sir!
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#26 Postby mf_dolphin » Mon Apr 28, 2003 9:06 am

Good morning AZ and Bill!

The problem with the "deal cutting" scenario is that the last thing President Bush needs is to have anothe OBL running around the world loose. We've taken enough grief that we didn't get OBL. (yet) ;-) WIth the fall of the regime imminent, I just see no logic as to why we would have wanted to let him go. The "Battle for Bagdad" was a media concoction IMO. Sounded good but the reality was the Iraqi military forces were defeated and couldn't hope to mount any sustained defense of Bagdad.

As far as the White Castles. a 10 pack is just about right for me! :-)
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#27 Postby Arizwx » Mon Apr 28, 2003 9:24 am

mf_dolphin wrote:Good morning AZ and Bill!

The problem with the "deal cutting" scenario is that the last thing President Bush needs is to have anothe OBL running around the world loose. We've taken enough grief that we didn't get OBL. (yet) ;-) WIth the fall of the regime imminent, I just see no logic as to why we would have wanted to let him go. The "Battle for Bagdad" was a media concoction IMO. Sounded good but the reality was the Iraqi military forces were defeated and couldn't hope to mount any sustained defense of Bagdad.

As far as the White Castles. a 10 pack is just about right for me! :-)


It's 07:12 PDT and White Castles HEAVY on the Onions and a Vanilla Shake in the Aluminum sounds great to me!!!Fries?Sure,why not.LARGE Onion Ring side order!Ummmm.Hum!
Now that I've scarfed the Sliders and Co..on to Politics.(Major League Guy Belch Here..Franklin gets some of the last Slider..at which time he lets loose a Doggie Belch) :o
Saddam's demise,in OUR eyes per the US GOV is a good thing.Not in the eyes of the Fundamentalist Islamics.It fuels more hatred,not that Saddam was a loved guy..by any means..however,perceptions in that region are odd at best.
Yes..we did NOT get OBL..which is exactly my point.Saddam is a nasty,rude,evil bad guy.yes.Threat to the US directly?Methinks no.To that region?Maybe.We need OBL..period.He is the Kingpin of the Financial Terror World Bank.A kind of Clearinghouse Financier of Al Queda Terrorist Training Camps.IF he was doing biz with Saddam..he was also doing it with France,Germany,et ilk. Remember the Hanover,Germany connection to 09-11?How quickly people forget.Fries?Onion Ring?(Guy Belch) :o
I'm still hungry.Maybe I'll go down to that Hawaiian Burger Joint and get me a 'Big Kahuna Burger'.'Now usually,I don't eat red meat,BUT there ain't Nothin' like a Goooooooood Tasty Burger!'
Speaking of France:What do they call a Big Mac w/Cheese in Paris?'Royale with Cheese!What do they call then a Quarter Pounder with Cheese?They don't.They use the Metric System!'What do they call a Whopper?Dunno..I didn't go to Burger King while in France! :o ~Pulp Fiction~
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#28 Postby M2 » Mon Apr 28, 2003 9:54 am

How can you eat that junk so early in the morning?

If they get Saddam alive, they'll get some better G2 on Bin Laden. But Saddam has asked or had asked for SBBs (suicide bomber belts) for him and his two mirrors, so he will not go quietly into that good night.

Have a good day;2out.
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#29 Postby streetsoldier » Mon Apr 28, 2003 10:12 am

White Castles...better known as "Belly Bombs" here, are the post-kegger food of choice for fraternities all over the "fruited plain". WMDs in themselves, they do serve a signal purpose in that (a) I can down 30 at one sitting, and have room for more, and (b) they soak up excess alcohol better than any other fast food.

3 million Interfraternity Council Greek brothers can't be wrong... :wink:
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#30 Postby Arizwx » Mon Apr 28, 2003 10:22 am

M2 wrote:How can you eat that junk so early in the morning?

If they get Saddam alive, they'll get some better G2 on Bin Laden. But Saddam has asked or had asked for SBBs (suicide bomber belts) for him and his two mirrors, so he will not go quietly into that good night.

Have a good day;2out.
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Indeed Suicide Belts.Extra large for Mr Portly Hussein.He's not the Suicide type,nor are his Boyz.They are dupes,smart dupes,dupes just the same.
There was also great rumor in the Miltary that he may be at a Luxo Condo in Damascus and/or Beirut..both French owned.
BTW,I can eat this junk today for one reason.
I was late getting to the new little Starbucks up the Nuevo Spanish Tiled Stripmalls.Ususally,Franklin and I are there at 05:50 when they open.The OV Coppers love Franklin and the Couissant are still warm.A Few power brokers pop in on the way to the Office Suites and blow off in the Bimmers.
However,I was late today.After 06:35 ..and low and behold,the Middle Aged Crisis Yuppie Scummers raid the Tiny 'Bucks and hang out in the latest Lycrawear...sweaty at that!No thx.
So,I raided my freezer,where I keep my frzn stash of Castles sent to me by a connection in Detroit. 8) ~'Buck'~
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#31 Postby streetsoldier » Mon Apr 28, 2003 10:35 am

Marshall, the "battle for Baghdad" could have turned into a nightmare very easily; not so much from front-line defenses, but fedayeen suicide bombers and snipers/RPGs in every other house (as was mentioned in a pre-Baghdad-insertion phone call from an Iraqi-American to her sisters in the southeastern Shi'ite neighborhood within the city).

And they may well be still there, now in hiding, but awaiting thier chance.
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#32 Postby Arizwx » Mon Apr 28, 2003 10:45 am

streetsoldier wrote:Marshall, the "battle for Baghdad" could have turned into a nightmare very easily; not so much from front-line defenses, but fedayeen suicide bombers and snipers/RPGs in every other house (as was mentioned in a pre-Baghdad-insertion phone call from an Iraqi-American to her sisters in the southeastern Shi'ite neighborhood within the city).

And they may well be still there, now in hiding, but awaiting thier chance.


I know you intended this for Marshall,so excuse the interrogatory.How does one go about ridding B-Dad of Fedayeen?
First estimates were 2500-4000.Then,6K Finally,over 12 thousand.
The insurgence of Spec Ops early on confirmed this.
The Air Strikes were very precise,and aimed at the Fedayeen HQs,nests,etc.The feeble C&C that the Rep Guard had was underground and controlled remote.Therefore,orders to places like Basrah were still carried out ..hence the Scud/'SUN'Silkworm launces into Kuwait City and our Military Staging Areas.
RPGs and AK-47s are the Choice of these badboys.Note the Security today in B-Dad in his B-Day during the first Iraqi Gov TBA Meetings.
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#33 Postby mf_dolphin » Mon Apr 28, 2003 10:58 am

I doubt that you will ever rid B-dad of the true believers. There will always be a nut out there just like we have in this country. The attack on the munitions storage area was just an example. The earlier comment that it was "staged" for effect is probably correct. The Iranians definitely would like a "True Believer" government to be put into place in Iraq.

For the "Battle of Bagdad" to have been the horror that was predicted, you would have had to have a relatively large force of true believers in order to mount a sustained and credible threat. They would also have to have the support or at least passive acceptance of the general population. A guerilla force cannot sustain operations in an metropolitan area without it. I have no doubt there will be continuing threats and attacks not only against our forces but the new government of Iraq as it tries to get formed. If Saddam and his two sons did survive the attacks, then the collapse of Bagdad was probably due to them leaving the area and therefore they were unable to exert the pressure on the resistance to maintain the fight. We'll only know when the final chapter is written :-)

btw, anyone have a frosted A&W root beer? That's the best way I know to wash down a sack of White Castles ;-)
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#34 Postby Arizwx » Mon Apr 28, 2003 11:43 am

mf_dolphin wrote:I doubt that you will ever rid B-dad of the true believers. There will always be a nut out there just like we have in this country. The attack on the munitions storage area was just an example. The earlier comment that it was "staged" for effect is probably correct. The Iranians definitely would like a "True Believer" government to be put into place in Iraq.

For the "Battle of Bagdad" to have been the horror that was predicted, you would have had to have a relatively large force of true believers in order to mount a sustained and credible threat. They would also have to have the support or at least passive acceptance of the general population. A guerilla force cannot sustain operations in an metropolitan area without it. I have no doubt there will be continuing threats and attacks not only against our forces but the new government of Iraq as it tries to get formed. If Saddam and his two sons did survive the attacks, then the collapse of Bagdad was probably due to them leaving the area and therefore they were unable to exert the pressure on the resistance to maintain the fight. We'll only know when the final chapter is written :-)

btw, anyone have a frosted A&W root beer? That's the best way I know to wash down a sack of White Castles ;-)


That is precisely why B-Dad fell like Paris to the Germans..........can you say 'Vichy Iraqi'?
He split alright,with his heir Juvenile deliquents.That last 'IraqiTV' Address that Saddam gave was Jibberish,and he knew it.'Allah,Allah,Great Iraqi People,Praise Allah,Great Balls of Fire!Praise Allah!'Pulllllleeze!LOL!!!
I was cracking up.He had his Winter Travel Sr Officer Togs on..with the Personalized Cross Leather Luggage packed in the Getaway Benz behind that ridiculous set curtain..with the 'Fightin'Firebird of Iraq'Logo pinned hastily to it.He duped his own people.Betrayed them.Insulted them.
The Fedayeen just ran a nice post up 'D' downcourt for him.He made the fastbreak on the three.
BTW,You want an 'A&W Teen Burger' to go with the Rootbeer?
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#35 Postby mf_dolphin » Mon Apr 28, 2003 11:50 am

When the bird flew the coop a lot of the true believers lost the faith :-) Just can't trust your Fedayeen like you use too.
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#36 Postby streetsoldier » Mon Apr 28, 2003 12:04 pm

OK, so much for the fedayeen Saddam; but you can bet your next box of currant-date-nut "Allahu Akbars" that Iran will be stirrring up Shi'ite at every opportunity...most likely after we leave.
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#37 Postby Arizwx » Mon Apr 28, 2003 12:18 pm

streetsoldier wrote:OK, so much for the fedayeen Saddam; but you can bet your next box of currant-date-nut "Allahu Akbars" that Iran will be stirrring up Shi'ite at every opportunity...most likely after we leave.


The 'Shi'ite' is ready to hit the Casbah Fans when we hold this meeting/talks to install another Gov...it's gonna belike Shoe-horning a 400Cu In Pontiac Big Block into the Engine Bay of an '85 Yugo.
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#38 Postby TexasStooge » Mon Apr 28, 2003 12:37 pm

Great news.
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#39 Postby Arizwx » Mon Apr 28, 2003 12:51 pm

TexasStooge wrote:Great news.


Great News?Hell yes it's Great News!YOU try getting 345 BCP(Brake Camel Power) out of an '85 Iraqi Yugo!lalalalalalalalala!
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#40 Postby M2 » Tue Apr 29, 2003 1:24 am

Can't have a discussion without some food first - especially after that early breakfast you guys had of White Castle burgers... Never did have time for the Starbucks this morning but a frosty mug of A&W root beer with a scoop of vanilla ice cream sure does sound good about now :lol: For you 'fat pill' lovers - the Best of Burger World can be had right in your own grocery store's freezer section. No need to drive to/order from the Midwest or Great Lakes States....White Castles are in Safeways, Albertsons, Topps, Krogers and whatever grocer dejour you may have in your larger areas...(I think they taste like discarded cow hooves between two pieces of defrosted mushy cardboard IMO but don't let that stop ya) :wink: Streetsoldier, I'm ready for those cookies now...


OK - - back to Iraq. Bill you've nailed it..... Give things a chance to calm down over in Baghdad and get the new government kick-started...then watch the fireworks begin all over again. This is just a respite from the calamity of disarray. Nothing is ever 'calm and collected' over there; it's against their personallities and training from childhood, or so we are led to believe. You see the joy and happiness one minute, then they're ready to stomp your face into the ground the next. Quick turnaround; flash tempers. Not a good place for kids, so you can imagine the impressions they're getting now as a base for their adulthood. Pity. Marshall, if Saddam is who they have 'faith in' then the situation is graver than we perceived, for such a man to be the sole goal of a wandering nation.

(...And BTW, that engine won't fit even with a shoe horn and WD40.)
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