Hurricane modification?

[WindRunner]

No. You cannot measure volume of water in square feet.

Lets see did I ask that question?

You asked if your math was correct. Mathmatical calculations include units, of which yours are incorrect. However, yes, 50x200 does equal 10,000. What about it?

[brunota2003]

Ok, here is the stats on the Gulf Stream, I was just a "little" off on the size, I new it was big, but not this big:

Consequently, the resulting Gulf Stream is a strong ocean current, transporting about 1.4 petawatts of heat, equivalent to the annual output of 1 million power stations[1]. It transports water at a rate of 30 million cubic meters per second (30 Sverdrup) through the Florida Straits. After it passes Cape Hatteras, this rate increases to 80 million cubic meters per second.The volume of the Gulf Stream dwarfs all rivers that empty into the Atlantic combined, which barely total 0.6 million cubic meters per second.

I think 80 million meters per second dwarfs the 330 million feet per hour, by just a little...

[Matt-hurricanewatcher]

Lets just say his idea would never make it off the senate floor. In you went to build it rectangular that destroys any chance it could of worked.

[cyclonekiller]

No. You cannot measure volume of water in square feet.

Lets see did I ask that question?

You asked if your math was correct. Mathmatical calculations include units, of which yours are incorrect. However, yes, 50x200 does equal 10,000. What about it?

Now take that 10000 and multiply it by 5280 ft the distance it travels in 1/5 of an hour and you come up with 52,800,000 cubic feet of water being moved through the exit of the tunnel. Now multiply that by 5 and you have an astounding 264,000,000 cubic feet of water exiting every tunnel per hour. Multiply that by about 1000 tunnels and you have 264,000,000,000 cubic feet of water exiting the tunnels per hour. Correct?

[WindRunner]

I was just thinking . . . rectangular, eh? That would create a solid 40 mile long wall across one of the most powerful currents in the world, 288 trillion cubic meters of water per hour, do you think that would cause a slight problem in the flow of the Gulf Stream? As in there would be a huge cold spot where the waters drawn up through these tubes would come out, and the warm waters of the Gulf Stream would either be forced around the wall and continue on, or some could end up being forced straight down, and get sucked up with some of the cold water. Now none of that cold water would be flowing anywhere, not to mention that it probably wouldn't be as cold as it could be, and the Gulf Stream would be split in 2, creating 2 breeding grounds for storms instead of one. A very productive solution indeed.

[Air Force Met]

No. You cannot measure volume of water in square feet.

Lets see did I ask that question in volume or square feet? If I meant volume I would have said volume.

You are wrong on all accounts. I've already given you the correct amounts. Go back and look at the thread. You need a 250' diameter tube moving at 5 mph to give you roughly 92,000 cubic feet per second.

10,000 SQUARE feet moving at 5 mph gives you a flow of 264 million per hour...or 73,300 per second. That's why we have said you can't do basic math...how do we trust you to come up with a complex plan. Go to an engineer and have your eyes opened.

[cyclonekiller]

Lets just say his idea would never make it off the senate floor. In you went to build it rectangular that destroys any chance it could of worked.

Nope. That just means you just need stronger cables or more of them.

[WindRunner]

No. You cannot measure volume of water in square feet.

Lets see did I ask that question?

You asked if your math was correct. Mathmatical calculations include units, of which yours are incorrect. However, yes, 50x200 does equal 10,000. What about it?

Now take that 10000 and multiply it by 5280 ft the distance it travels in 1/5 of an hour and you come up with 52,800,000 cubic feet of water being moved through the exit of the tunnel. Now multiply that by 5 and you have an astounding 264,000,000 cubic feet of water exiting every tunnel per hour. Multiply that by about 1000 tunnels and you have 264,000,000,000 cubic feet of water exiting the tunnels per hour. Correct?

Perfectly correct. Now fit 288 TRILLION cubic METERS through there. That's the only problem you have with it.

[Air Force Met]

Now take that 10000 and multiply it by 5280 ft the distance it travels in 1/5 of an hour and you come up with 52,800,000 cubic feet of water being moved through the exit of the tunnel. Now multiply that by 5 and you have an astounding 264,000,000 cubic feet of water exiting every tunnel per hour. Multiply that by about 1000 tunnels and you have 264,000,000,000 cubic feet of water exiting the tunnels per hour. Correct?

I thought you said (and you did) it was 330 million cubic feet per hour?

And BTW...you never gave proof that this is the amount that you need to transform 22.2 trillion cubic feet of water. Please provide that.

[brunota2003]

Ok, here is the stats on the Gulf Stream, I was just a "little" off on the size, I new it was big, but not this big:

Consequently, the resulting Gulf Stream is a strong ocean current, transporting about 1.4 petawatts of heat, equivalent to the annual output of 1 million power stations[1]. It transports water at a rate of 30 million cubic meters per second (30 Sverdrup) through the Florida Straits. After it passes Cape Hatteras, this rate increases to 80 million cubic meters per second.The volume of the Gulf Stream dwarfs all rivers that empty into the Atlantic combined, which barely total 0.6 million cubic meters per second.

I think 80 million meters per second dwarfs the 330 million feet per hour, by just a little...

Ok, just for you, I am qouting myself, plus you evaded my questions on the other page... so, after you go look at my q's, PLEASE anwser my q's, as I want to know the answer...

[cyclonekiller]

No. You cannot measure volume of water in square feet.

Lets see did I ask that question?

You asked if your math was correct. Mathmatical calculations include units, of which yours are incorrect. However, yes, 50x200 does equal 10,000. What about it?

Now take that 10000 and multiply it by 5280 ft the distance it travels in 1/5 of an hour and you come up with 52,800,000 cubic feet of water being moved through the exit of the tunnel. Now multiply that by 5 and you have an astounding 264,000,000 cubic feet of water exiting every tunnel per hour. Multiply that by about 1000 tunnels and you have 264,000,000,000 cubic feet of water exiting the tunnels per hour. Correct?

Perfectly correct. Now fit 288 TRILLION cubic METERS through there. That's the only problem you have with it.

[cyclonekiller]

No. You cannot measure volume of water in square feet.

Lets see did I ask that question?

You asked if your math was correct. Mathmatical calculations include units, of which yours are incorrect. However, yes, 50x200 does equal 10,000. What about it?

Now take that 10000 and multiply it by 5280 ft the distance it travels in 1/5 of an hour and you come up with 52,800,000 cubic feet of water being moved through the exit of the tunnel. Now multiply that by 5 and you have an astounding 264,000,000 cubic feet of water exiting every tunnel per hour. Multiply that by about 1000 tunnels and you have 264,000,000,000 cubic feet of water exiting the tunnels per hour. Correct?

Perfectly correct. Now fit 288 TRILLION cubic METERS through there. That's the only problem you have with it.

Ah! but we are only cooling the top 200 feet of water the rest of the water is already cool below 200 feet. That water we don't have to figure into equation.However, we can use the force of it down below at the mouth of the tunnel. This is were Pascal's theory applies.

[Matt-hurricanewatcher]

It would never leave the senate floor. Let alone go to the Presidents desk for signing. You have to have facts in 34 trillion dollars in tunnels under the ocean is going to break the back of this country 5 times. In the risk of changing global weather is to risky.

[brunota2003]

wow are you just a whee bit off, that water extends down easily 500+ feet...

[WindRunner]

Have you ever heard of upwelling? I would suggest you research it, it can often pull up water from more than 200ft down.

[DoctorHurricane2003]

LOL square feet, huh? I guess the pipes are flat then

Care to explain to me how water flows through a flat surface....not on top, because then it wouldn't be a pipe.

[brunota2003]

The Gulf Stream transport varies not only in space, but also in time. According to Geosat altimetry results, the current transports a maximum amount of water in the fall and a minimum in the spring, in phase with the north-south shifts of the its position (Kelly and Gille 1990; Zlotnicki 1991; Kelly 1991; Hogg and Johns 1995). Rossby and Rago (1985) and Fu et al. (1987) obtained similar results when they looked at sea level differences across the Stream. All of these studies found that the Gulf Stream has a marked seasonal variability, with peak-to-peak amplitude in sea surface height of 10-15 cm. The fluctuation is mostly confined to the upper 200-300 m of the water column and is a result of seasonal heating and expansion of the surface waters (Hogg and Johns 1995). Height differences this small, if assumed to decay linearly to zero at 300 m, would only result in annual transport fluctuations of about 1.5 Sv (Hogg and Johns 1995).

Ok, 100 meters equals roughly 250 or so feet, these pipes would be about a 1/4 of a mile long, and huge, now, this is getting interesting...How are you going to carry all this??? The current would just carry you and your pipes along with it...

[Air Force Met]

Hey cyclonekiller...

HEY CYCLONEKILLER...

You ALSO never answer the question of how we come up with the 8 day forecast for a hurricane (imagine that)? Especially given the fact that the average storm lasts less than 8 days?

Also...seeing how will only want to do this for major storms...and we won't really know when a major will form...when do we "turn it on?" Everytime one forms?

[cyclonekiller]

Have you ever heard of upwelling? I would suggest you research it, it can often pull up water from more than 200ft down.

Sure it is what gave me the idea. Hurricanes do it.

[WindRunner]

The Gulf Stream transport varies not only in space, but also in time. According to Geosat altimetry results, the current transports a maximum amount of water in the fall and a minimum in the spring, in phase with the north-south shifts of the its position (Kelly and Gille 1990; Zlotnicki 1991; Kelly 1991; Hogg and Johns 1995). Rossby and Rago (1985) and Fu et al. (1987) obtained similar results when they looked at sea level differences across the Stream. All of these studies found that the Gulf Stream has a marked seasonal variability, with peak-to-peak amplitude in sea surface height of 10-15 cm. The fluctuation is mostly confined to the upper 200-300 m of the water column and is a result of seasonal heating and expansion of the surface waters (Hogg and Johns 1995). Height differences this small, if assumed to decay linearly to zero at 300 m, would only result in annual transport fluctuations of about 1.5 Sv (Hogg and Johns 1995).

Ok, 100 meters equals roughly 250 or so feet, these pipes would be about a 1/4 of a mile long, and huge, now, this is getting interesting...How are you going to carry all this??? The current would just carry you and your pipes along with it...

Especially with the entire force of the stream being applied to this "wall" of pipes . . .