In a related report, Police had to dive into rough waters to rescue a number of surfers who were slammed into the Naples FL pier but the heavy surf so not all of the idiots are those riding the storm out on the Barrier Islands. For you surfers, generally storm driven surf in close to the center is considered as not rideable-the best surf would be some distance from the center.
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Charley was Cat 3 at 11 am, but NHC dragged their feet....
Here is my post from this morning...
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cebers01
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Posted: Fri Aug 13, 2004 9:14 am
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Seems TWC isn't wanting to report what the radar is seeing, indicating winds above 110 on Charley's NNE eyewall now...
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From the hurricane hunters vortex data, it appears that the max flight level winds are about 117..... I realize that this data is a few hours old....
http://asp1.sbs.ohio-state.edu/text/tro ... RNT12.KNHC
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Posted: Fri Aug 13, 2004 9:34 am
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cebers01 wrote:
Seems TWC isn't wanting to report what the radar is seeing, indicating winds above 110 on Charley's NNE eyewall now...
Remember the radar shoots a straight line and the earth is curved. Therefore, those winds which are 115 kts are at 5,000'...NOT at the surface.
Looking at the eyewall structure...I don't see a lot more strengthening out of this. It will probably make 115-120...but that is about it. The eye is only 8-10 miles across...which is not real condusive for explosive development. Reason: Expolsive development is always followed by a tightening of the eye...which is what ramps up the winds (due to pressure fall)...and this thing can't contract that much more. Should be about 960mb at landfall.
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Posted: Fri Aug 13, 2004 9:43 am
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cebers01 wrote:
Seems TWC isn't wanting to report what the radar is seeing, indicating winds above 110 on Charley's NNE eyewall now...
Remember the radar shoots a straight line and the earth is curved. Therefore, those winds which are 115 kts are at 5,000'...NOT at the surface.
Looking at the eyewall structure...I don't see a lot more strengthening out of this. It will probably make 115-120...but that is about it. The eye is only 8-10 miles across...which is not real condusive for explosive development. Reason: Expolsive development is always followed by a tightening of the eye...which is what ramps up the winds (due to pressure fall)...and this thing can't contract that much more. Should be about 960mb at landfall.
well base level is 0.5° above horizon and then you add the curvature. but 0.5° is basically straight.
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also Charley has a HIGHER than Normal relationship of MSLP and winds due to the location of thge Ridge
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That may be, but eyewall rebuilding that takes place with strong 'canes does not necessarily change the eye size, and nor does the SST's that are aiding this development. But this loop sure looks like a tightening eye to me...
http://orca.rsmas.miami.edu/wx/radar/index.html
Check the keys radar, which will give you a very close indication of the eye... Looks tighter, or maybe I need glasses...
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Well, the hurricane has REALLY intensified since this post was made. This is a MAJOR DISASTER. People in Ft. Myers should have been evacuated!
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Seems TWC isn't wanting to report what the radar is seeing, indicating winds above 110 on Charley's NNE eyewall now...
alicia-w
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Posted: Fri Aug 13, 2004 9:23 am
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From the hurricane hunters vortex data, it appears that the max flight level winds are about 117..... I realize that this data is a few hours old....
http://asp1.sbs.ohio-state.edu/text/tro ... RNT12.KNHC
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cebers01 wrote:
Seems TWC isn't wanting to report what the radar is seeing, indicating winds above 110 on Charley's NNE eyewall now...
Remember the radar shoots a straight line and the earth is curved. Therefore, those winds which are 115 kts are at 5,000'...NOT at the surface.
Looking at the eyewall structure...I don't see a lot more strengthening out of this. It will probably make 115-120...but that is about it. The eye is only 8-10 miles across...which is not real condusive for explosive development. Reason: Expolsive development is always followed by a tightening of the eye...which is what ramps up the winds (due to pressure fall)...and this thing can't contract that much more. Should be about 960mb at landfall.
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cebers01 wrote:
Seems TWC isn't wanting to report what the radar is seeing, indicating winds above 110 on Charley's NNE eyewall now...
Remember the radar shoots a straight line and the earth is curved. Therefore, those winds which are 115 kts are at 5,000'...NOT at the surface.
Looking at the eyewall structure...I don't see a lot more strengthening out of this. It will probably make 115-120...but that is about it. The eye is only 8-10 miles across...which is not real condusive for explosive development. Reason: Expolsive development is always followed by a tightening of the eye...which is what ramps up the winds (due to pressure fall)...and this thing can't contract that much more. Should be about 960mb at landfall.
well base level is 0.5° above horizon and then you add the curvature. but 0.5° is basically straight.
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also Charley has a HIGHER than Normal relationship of MSLP and winds due to the location of thge Ridge
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That may be, but eyewall rebuilding that takes place with strong 'canes does not necessarily change the eye size, and nor does the SST's that are aiding this development. But this loop sure looks like a tightening eye to me...
http://orca.rsmas.miami.edu/wx/radar/index.html
Check the keys radar, which will give you a very close indication of the eye... Looks tighter, or maybe I need glasses...
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Well, the hurricane has REALLY intensified since this post was made. This is a MAJOR DISASTER. People in Ft. Myers should have been evacuated!
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OK folks...Florida is getting hammered.
I'm thinking that he will move NE and stay out over the ocean missing SC and NC completely. Any reason to believe that the course will not go solidly NE and stay NNE?
I'm thinking that he will move NE and stay out over the ocean missing SC and NC completely. Any reason to believe that the course will not go solidly NE and stay NNE?
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That's what I'm thinking, esp since the large area of t-storms working it's way up the coast just shot off to the east of me.
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# Damage to the roof reported at Diplomat Middle School, although the building is still safe. It serves as a hurricane shelter. (5:10 pm)
# Damage reported at St. Josephs-Bon Secors Hospital in Port Charlotte - Windows blown out in vehicles, trees knocked down, windows blown out, part of the roof has blown off. All patients have been moved to at least the second floor (5:03 pm)
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# Power outage reports: Lehigh 12,000, Cape Coral: 66,000, many Sanibel residents without power (5:30)
# Reports of damage at Cape Coral hospital: damage to roof, doors, windows (5:30)
# Flooding in Bonita Springs, storm surge over Fort Myers Beach (5:30)
# Southeast Cape- trees uprooted (5:30)
# Damage reported near Ortiz and Palm Beach in Fort Myers (5:30)
# Damage to the roof reported at Diplomat Middle School, although the building is still safe. It serves as a hurricane shelter. (5:10 pm)
# Damage reported at St. Josephs-Bon Secors Hospital in Port Charlotte - Windows blown out in vehicles, trees knocked down, windows blown out, part of the roof has blown off. All patients have been moved to at least the second floor (5:03 pm)
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# Power outage reports: Lehigh 12,000, Cape Coral: 66,000, many Sanibel residents without power (5:30)
# Reports of damage at Cape Coral hospital: damage to roof, doors, windows (5:30)
# Flooding in Bonita Springs, storm surge over Fort Myers Beach (5:30)
# Southeast Cape- trees uprooted (5:30)
# Damage reported near Ortiz and Palm Beach in Fort Myers (5:30)
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AP: Breaking News... First fatality reported in FL
AP is reporting that one person was killed by flying debris while out driving during Hurricane Charley.
Earlier I posted about the wreck in which 2 were killed. I am not sure if those were directly related to Charley or if they will be counted as so.
Earlier I posted about the wreck in which 2 were killed. I am not sure if those were directly related to Charley or if they will be counted as so.
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