GFS continues to develop African wave

This is the general tropical discussion area. Anyone can take their shot at predicting a storms path.

Moderator: S2k Moderators

Forum rules

The posts in this forum are NOT official forecasts and should not be used as such. They are just the opinion of the poster and may or may not be backed by sound meteorological data. They are NOT endorsed by any professional institution or STORM2K. For official information, please refer to products from the National Hurricane Center and National Weather Service.

Help Support Storm2K
Message
Author
Scorpion

Re:

#221 Postby Scorpion » Fri Aug 10, 2007 2:05 am

Chris_in_Tampa wrote:We're not talking about a hurricane. It doesn't keep it at or continuously above tropical storm strength until near 30W and doesn't form it into and hold it as a moderate tropical storm or stronger until 40W. And not a hurricane until perhaps 55W or further.

Text data for 8/10 0Z run:
http://www.emc.ncep.noaa.gov/gmb/tpm/em ... 2007081000

You do not need the extremely warm, high heat content, waters of the Gulf or Carib for that.


You can't take those pressure estimates literally.... 992 mb likely means a major
0 likes   

Brent
S2K Supporter
S2K Supporter
Posts: 38106
Age: 37
Joined: Sun May 16, 2004 10:30 pm
Location: Tulsa Oklahoma
Contact:

Re:

#222 Postby Brent » Fri Aug 10, 2007 2:08 am

Normandy wrote:Looks to be setting up for a close recurve again. I do know one thing, for the sake of the GFS's credibility, this better develop.


:lol:

Yep.

I still am skeptical about this because A. Every other wave has died out(eventually maybe we'll break the trend, but will this one be it?) and B. It's not over water yet. I'm very interested to see what happens in the next day or two before I jump on the development bandwagon. Needless to say, I'm much more interested in the Caribbean system right now.
0 likes   

Chris_in_Tampa
Category 5
Category 5
Posts: 5077
Age: 42
Joined: Thu Jun 21, 2007 11:06 pm
Location: Tampa, Florida, USA
Contact:

Re: Re:

#223 Postby Chris_in_Tampa » Fri Aug 10, 2007 2:17 am

Scorpion wrote:You can't take those pressure estimates literally.... 992 mb likely means a major


Unlike some global models that give the last closed isobar and not the actual pressure of the low, I understand these to be literal.

For example, the last closed isobar on here:
http://www.nco.ncep.noaa.gov/pmb/nwprod ... p_174l.gif

Is 996mb. A computer has determined that the actual lowest pressure is about 990mb, not even a hurricane.
0 likes   

Dean4Storms
S2K Supporter
S2K Supporter
Posts: 6358
Age: 62
Joined: Sun Aug 31, 2003 1:01 pm
Location: Miramar Bch. FL

#224 Postby Dean4Storms » Fri Aug 10, 2007 6:25 am

The GFS is not the only model now developing this wave.
0 likes   

Matt-hurricanewatcher

Re: GFS continues to show development off Africa

#225 Postby Matt-hurricanewatcher » Fri Aug 10, 2007 6:39 am

Looks like it poofed over Africa. :oops:
0 likes   

User avatar
cycloneye
Admin
Admin
Posts: 145932
Age: 69
Joined: Thu Oct 10, 2002 10:54 am
Location: San Juan, Puerto Rico

Re: GFS continues to show development off Africa

#226 Postby cycloneye » Fri Aug 10, 2007 6:42 am

6z GFS Loop

:uarrow: :uarrow:

Here is the 6z GFS loop of this morning.
0 likes   

User avatar
Blown Away
S2K Supporter
S2K Supporter
Posts: 10162
Joined: Wed May 26, 2004 6:17 am

Re: GFS continues to show development off Africa

#227 Postby Blown Away » Fri Aug 10, 2007 6:56 am

cycloneye wrote:6z GFS Loop

:uarrow: :uarrow:

Here is the 6z GFS loop of this morning.


The latest runs are getting closer to you in PR. That is an abrupt turn near the Bahamas. If this pans out there's going to be some close calls.
0 likes   

User avatar
skysummit
S2K Supporter
S2K Supporter
Posts: 5305
Age: 49
Joined: Tue Aug 31, 2004 11:09 pm
Location: Ponchatoula, LA
Contact:

#228 Postby skysummit » Fri Aug 10, 2007 6:58 am

I believe once this gets offshore, and development commences, depending on where actual development and intensification takes place, we'll begin to see the GFS push further and further west possibly putting the Islands and Puerto Rico in the path.
0 likes   

User avatar
ronjon
Category 5
Category 5
Posts: 4830
Joined: Fri Aug 19, 2005 5:17 pm
Location: Hernando Beach, FL

Re: GFS continues to show development off Africa

#229 Postby ronjon » Fri Aug 10, 2007 7:29 am

IWIC Worldwide Tropical Weather Discussion - August 10 2007 - 01:00 UTC

Elsewhere, the potential for tropical cyclone development in the eastern Atlantic is also increasing. A strong tropical wave is expected to exit the coast of Africa within 48 hours. The wave was approaching 10ºW longitude in western Africa as of the 18Z satellite shot. Satellite data over Africa is limited, but the wave axis does appear to already have an excellent satellite signature. Normally a wave's signature over Africa is not significant since even the most suspect waves often temporarily weaken as soon as they exit Africa. However, several global models have consistently depicted or hinted at the possibility of tropical cyclone formation as soon as the wave enters the eastern Atlantic.

Both the GFS and UKMET indicate tropical cyclone formation no later than 60 hours. The GFS has consistently shown immediate development on every run for the last two days. That degree of consistency is significant. By Day 7, the model has a significant hurricane moving west-northwest over the central Atlantic. On the other hand, the last two runs of the UKMET are the first of which that not only show true tropical cyclone formation, but development within 3 days. By Day 6, the UKMET shows a decent tropical storm over the central Atlantic. The Canadian model is a little slower in that it depicts development within 4-5 days. However, this is an improvement from previous Canadian runs that only hinted at the possibility of development. By Day 6, the Canadian now shows a tropical cyclone bordering on hurricane intensity. Perhaps the most notable model update since yesterday evening comes from the 12Z run of the ECMWF. The ECMWF, one of the more conservative models, backed off on developing this wave into a tropical cyclone over the last few days. However, as of 12Z it once again shows formation within 72 hours. By Day 10, the Euro depicts a potential hurricane passing just north of the Virgin Islands, much like the GFS.

So why should we believe the bullish global model guidance when so many African waves routinely fizzle as they hit water? First, no tropical wave this season has had this amount of model support. Second, several models are developing this wave within 72 hours. Third, the level of consistency being displayed by the GFS is amazing. Fourth, the conservative ECMWF is now clearly showing development. Fifth, the wave already has an excellent satellite appearance. Finally, conditions appear favorable for tropical development in the eastern Atlantic. The Saharan Air Layer has not been abnormally strong over the past week. Additionally, the intensity of the SAL during the first half of the season hasn't been all that unusual. The parameters required to have an above average Cape Verde season still appear to be in place, and we may begin to see the initial results within the next few days. The latest water vapor imagery reveals that the eastern Atlantic is about as moist as it's going to get, with much of the usual dry air or subsidence retreating well to the north. Sea surface temperatures are below the necessary 80ºF north of 15ºN between Africa and 40ºW, but all model guidance is keeping the potential tropical cyclone south of that latitude. Thus, sea surface temperatures are favorable. Upper level easterly winds are a bit strong at the moment. However, the models that do depict development show increasing ridging aloft over the central Atlantic along with a favorable mid-level easterly jet to the south within the next few days.

In conclusion, Dean is on the way. Nearly every global model shows development. Conditions in the east Atlantic look favorable for tropical storm formation. The tropical wave that will likely spawn development looks healthy as it edges closer to the African coast. We may see classification within 72 hours. I should also add that the general track over the next seven days is relatively straightforward. An abnormally strong subtropical ridge will keep this system on a west to west-northwest heading through the period. By Day 7, the storm will still be well east of the northeast Caribbean. Interests there have plenty of time to monitor this storm's progress. It is too early to speculate beyond this period. It is also too early to speculate on how intense this potential system could become, but there is enough reason to assume we could be talking about a hurricane in the central Atlantic.
0 likes   

User avatar
El Nino
Category 1
Category 1
Posts: 454
Age: 47
Joined: Sun Oct 16, 2005 3:18 pm
Location: Lima - Miraflores (Peru)
Contact:

Re: GFS continues to show development off Africa

#230 Postby El Nino » Fri Aug 10, 2007 8:00 am

cycloneye wrote:6z GFS Loop

:uarrow: :uarrow:

Here is the 6z GFS loop of this morning.


Very far off, but in this case, it would be a very powerfull extratropical storm.
0 likes   

User avatar
storms in NC
S2K Supporter
S2K Supporter
Posts: 2338
Joined: Thu Jul 28, 2005 2:58 pm
Location: Wallace,NC 40 miles NE of Wilm
Contact:

#231 Postby storms in NC » Fri Aug 10, 2007 8:19 am

We will see how it does when it get in the waters for a day or two. Make sure it don't go Poofy.
As far as they have it going up the east coast I wouldn't drought it. But it is not even off the coast yet to say where it will go yet. Let it get by the Islands then we might have a Idea by then If it develops.
0 likes   

User avatar
cheezyWXguy
Category 5
Category 5
Posts: 6110
Joined: Mon Feb 13, 2006 12:29 am
Location: Dallas, TX

Re: GFS continues to show development off Africa

#232 Postby cheezyWXguy » Fri Aug 10, 2007 9:09 am

When this wave comes off shore, don't say "poof" or write it off because it lost some convection...its moving into a different environment and will likely increase in convection the next day. This wave already has a 1006mb low, as of last night, and it would take more than a few hours offshore to kill a storm like that when conditions are at least marginally farvorable
0 likes   

User avatar
Weatherfreak14
Category 5
Category 5
Posts: 1383
Joined: Sat Sep 24, 2005 3:40 pm
Location: Beaufort, SC
Contact:

Re: GFS continues to show development off Africa

#233 Postby Weatherfreak14 » Fri Aug 10, 2007 9:12 am

I think today and tommrow will be the test for this system and the models, it seems the longer it will take to develop the more chance it has for a landfall in the US.
0 likes   

User avatar
jimvb
Category 1
Category 1
Posts: 397
Joined: Wed Sep 15, 2004 8:03 am
Location: Richmond, Virginia
Contact:

Re: GFS continues to show development off Africa

#234 Postby jimvb » Fri Aug 10, 2007 9:25 am

The IWIC calls this storm coming off Africa by the name Dean. But it could be Erin instead. The NHC says there is an area of storms in the central Caribbean that bears watching. The GFS and CMC develop only the Africa storm. The MM5 develops only the Caribbean storm. NOGAPS develops both storms. If the Caribbean storm develops into a tropical storm first, that's Dean and the Africa storm is then Erin.
0 likes   

User avatar
x-y-no
Category 5
Category 5
Posts: 8359
Age: 65
Joined: Wed Aug 11, 2004 12:14 pm
Location: Fort Lauderdale, FL

#235 Postby x-y-no » Fri Aug 10, 2007 11:26 am

12Z GFS so far looking quite consistent with earlier runs (84 hours)
0 likes   

Scorpion

#236 Postby Scorpion » Fri Aug 10, 2007 11:36 am

12Z is significantly further south at 168 and looks to hit the Lesser Antilles head on
0 likes   

User avatar
x-y-no
Category 5
Category 5
Posts: 8359
Age: 65
Joined: Wed Aug 11, 2004 12:14 pm
Location: Fort Lauderdale, FL

Re:

#237 Postby x-y-no » Fri Aug 10, 2007 11:40 am

Scorpion wrote:12Z is significantly further south at 168 and looks to hit the Lesser Antilles head on


Maybe ... ridging is weakening over it, though, so it may still miss ...

Image

Image
0 likes   

Scorpion

Re: GFS continues to show development off Africa

#238 Postby Scorpion » Fri Aug 10, 2007 11:40 am

Hmm.. looks like a close call
0 likes   

User avatar
x-y-no
Category 5
Category 5
Posts: 8359
Age: 65
Joined: Wed Aug 11, 2004 12:14 pm
Location: Fort Lauderdale, FL

#239 Postby x-y-no » Fri Aug 10, 2007 11:43 am

That following wave looks a lot further south than earlier runs.
0 likes   

User avatar
storms in NC
S2K Supporter
S2K Supporter
Posts: 2338
Joined: Thu Jul 28, 2005 2:58 pm
Location: Wallace,NC 40 miles NE of Wilm
Contact:

#240 Postby storms in NC » Fri Aug 10, 2007 11:43 am

With this run you can see it riding the Islands up. But have to wait till we have something first.

http://www.nco.ncep.noaa.gov/pmb/nwprod ... loop.shtml
0 likes   


Return to “Talkin' Tropics”

Who is online

Users browsing this forum: AnnularCane, Hurricaneman, IsabelaWeather, LadyBug72, lolitx, wileytheartist and 47 guests