BREAKING NEWS: Andrea Yates Not Guilty in Retrial

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http://www.nydailynews.com/news/crime_f ... 9669c.html

i can post an unlimited number of these. this is just 1 where hundreds of shrinks were fooled by 1 man

[Stratosphere747]

this is my final thought on the subject.

Thank goodness.

[Janice]

I don't think she and the man in your article have anything in common. She has been treated for several years for depression, suicide and mental health issues. Also, on a ton of drugs. Has the man in the article been there? And, she never tried to fool her doctors before she killed her children. All her doctors knew she was mentally unstable.

[rainstorm]

that man had fooled hundreds of shrinks from 1969 to 2003.

psychiatric diagnosis is subjective, with the shrink largely dependent on what the patient tells them. i was just asked to show examples of shrinks being fooled, and i can show many more.

its not like diagnosing someone with cancer. you take a sample and see if the cells are cancerous. as far as yates goes, she may well have been depressed. and in the yates case, the prosection shrinks said she was depressed from being overwhelmed with 5 kids and couldnt cope, while the defense said she had post partum. there is no way to prove either side because both diagnosis are based on subjective criteria. in this case. the jury beleived the "mental heart attack" defense, whatever that is

[Stratosphere747]

this is my final thought on the subject.

Thank goodness.

[george_r_1961]

that man had fooled hundreds of shrinks from 1969 to 2003.

psychiatric diagnosis is subjective, with the shrink largely dependent on what the patient tells them. i was just asked to show examples of shrinks being fooled, and i can show many more.
its not like diagnosing someone with cancer. you take a sample and see if the cells are cancerous.

Helen where are you getting this from? Do you have any education/training in mental health???

[Skywatch_NC]

Are we going to "beat a horse to death" until we reach Dead Horse, Alaska?

[Regit]

Are we going to "beat a horse to death" until we reach Dead Horse, Alaska?

Yes. Didn't you get your memo?

[Terrell]

If they ever let her out, I hope they sterize her first. I hope she is sterilized now...

You can't forcibly sterilize another human being. However she's in her forties now, if she ever gets out, she'll probably be past menopause by the time it happens.

I do think that her husband was inconsiderate in not getting a vasectomy after hearing that she shouldn't get pregnant again, but I don't think that he should be charged with a crime for it.

[CentralFlGal]

Society's duty is to protect the weak. The weak in this case were the murdered children - not the mother, regardless of her ailment.

Most people have a bout or two with depression - some more seriously than others - but not all are moved enough to kill family members. An evil line was crossed, and that fact can never be erased or bring those innocent children back.

Based on the news and posts of opinion on various boards, it's my understanding that in lieu of the electric chair, Andrea will resort to being nothing more than a lab rat to be studied for the rest of her life.

[GalvestonDuck]

that man had fooled hundreds of shrinks from 1969 to 2003.

psychiatric diagnosis is subjective, with the shrink largely dependent on what the patient tells them. i was just asked to show examples of shrinks being fooled, and i can show many more.

its not like diagnosing someone with cancer. you take a sample and see if the cells are cancerous. as far as yates goes, she may well have been depressed. and in the yates case, the prosection shrinks said she was depressed from being overwhelmed with 5 kids and couldnt cope, while the defense said she had post partum. there is no way to prove either side because both diagnosis are based on subjective criteria. in this case. the jury beleived the "mental heart attack" defense, whatever that is

That shows your ignorance regarding mental health.

Do you know and understand that depression is not simply a state of being? It is not just about someone "being down in the dumps," so to speak? There are physiological changes that happen to a body as well.

And why do you keep going on and on about her post-partum depression anyway? It was post-partum psychosis.

Ah, heck...I'm tired of typing the same thing over and over again, months later. Here...I tried to make my point a long time ago.

http://www.storm2k.org/phpbb2/viewtopic.php?t=35013

(*Note: I use the word "ignorance" not as an insult or synonym for "stupid." I mean it, as in, someone simply doesn't know any better about the subject.)

[gtalum]

The NY Daily news is not exactly a reliable source. It's akin to the National Enquirer.

[Stephanie]

they do get fooled all the time and in texas on average people assigned to mental institutions are released after 32 days. i also am confident you will find her condition will undergo a miraculous turnaround.

That is because health insurance and thus society does not treat mental illness on the same level as a physical illness. If people need to be hospitalized for a serious, physical illness, there's no limit. Mental illness in many health plans have a lifetime limit of hospitalizations, stays, therapy sessions, etc.

Many of the homeless are mentally ill but are not in institutions because of lack of funding, etc., not due to the fact that they've "fooled" someone.

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http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,185882,00.html

here is an interesting story

[Skywatch_NC]

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,185882,00.html

here is an interesting story

Are we going to "beat a horse to death" until we reach Dead Horse, Alaska?

[Janice]

I really think we discussed this thread enough. Maybe someone could start a new one on mental health issues.
Mostly all of us agree she is in a facility where she will get help and probably will be there for a long time.

[Stephanie]

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,185882,00.html

here is an interesting story

Are we going to "beat a horse to death" until we reach Dead Horse, Alaska?

Probably. Maybe she did tell this person, maybe not. It doesn't mean that it happens all of the time. You're also dealing with two mentally ill people - think about it.

[george_r_1961]

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,185882,00.html

here is an interesting story

Are we going to "beat a horse to death" until we reach Dead Horse, Alaska?

Probably. Maybe she did tell this person, maybe not. It doesn't mean that it happens all of the time. You're also dealing with two mentally ill people - think about it.

And maybe this other inmate was lying her a$$ off. Criminals will do ANYTHING to get favorable treatment and reduced time and charges. What the article didnt say is whether or not this "witness" has pending charges or what she was locked up for. As for the comments of the second witness I wonder the same thing.

Do you really think that a woman facing a DEATH SENTENCE would have incriminated herself by "confiding" in other criminals??? I have to admit its possible but not likely. Some are inclined to brag but since mothers who kill their children are at the bottom of the ladder in jail I do not think this is the case here. Yates has a history of mental illness; no one can deny that. And a jury decided she was insane. THEY had the evidence.

[rainstorm]

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,185882,00.html

here is an interesting story

Are we going to "beat a horse to death" until we reach Dead Horse, Alaska?

Probably. Maybe she did tell this person, maybe not. It doesn't mean that it happens all of the time. You're also dealing with two mentally ill people - think about it.

And maybe this other inmate was lying her a$$ off. Criminals will do ANYTHING to get favorable treatment and reduced time and charges. What the article didnt say is whether or not this "witness" has pending charges or what she was locked up for. As for the comments of the second witness I wonder the same thing.

Do you really think that a woman facing a DEATH SENTENCE would have incriminated herself by "confiding" in other criminals??? I have to admit its possible but not likely. Some are inclined to brag but since mothers who kill their children are at the bottom of the ladder in jail I do not think this is the case here. Yates has a history of mental illness; no one can deny that. And a jury decided she was insane. THEY had the evidence.

lets look at it like this. maybe the "snitch" was lying. but who would be more believable? a woman that took a long time to brutally butcher her 5 children, one at a time, or 2 women in jail for relatively minor offenses?

[GalvestonDuck]

Gosh, some people will believe anything.