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Re: "Lost" Thread-part 3
lurker_from_nc wrote:'Lost': Mind-Blowing Scoop From Its Producers
LOST fans... if you haven't read this, read it!! It's very interesting!
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Re: "Lost" Thread-part 3
This week's ABC LOST podcast is actually a Vodcast with Evangeline Lilly
for thursday's episode:
talking about being a mother with Aaron.
Lilly confirms whether her baby Aaron is Claire's baby Aaron
for thursday's episode:
We meet new freighties (yes, that is the term: losties, others, and now freighties.[/
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Kelly - thanks for that link. I enjoy reading Doc Jensen's take on Lost. He seems to ask the very questions fans would!
Here's another Lost angle/look at the show. Yet another interesting viewpoint.
From MSNBC:
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/23262056/
New course sets ‘Lost’ back on track
‘Freighter group’ and flash forwards send show on smart, inventive path
COMMENTARY
By Jacob Clifton
MSNBC contributor
updated 2:57 p.m. ET, Thurs., Feb. 21, 2008
As a show whose major selling points have always been mystery and confounded expectations, perhaps it's inevitable the eventual rescue implied in the premise of ABC's hit drama "Lost" would be turned on its ear.
Season four's fourth (of 13) episode airs tonight, and this season has associated the concept of rescue from the island with terrible fates, both in the immediate (the terrifying "freighter," its off-putting personnel) and the future (uniformly depressing flash forwards of the Oceanic Six).
Three and a half years ago, who could guess fans would eventually cross their fingers that the castaways would stay lost forever?
By setting these two new concepts against the show's central premise, "Lost" has managed to reverse its own course in a way that's intelligent, inventive and unexpectedly moving. Where viewers once cheered on Claire's quixotic messenger birds and Michael's raft-building, fans are now in the position of knowing that a few make it home and how bad things get there.
These developments are not entirely surprising, as we've been conditioned by the show to accept and expect game-changing reversals at least twice a season.
Remember when the castaways only had to worry about a burlap bag over the head in the middle of the night? Now they're contending with multimillion-dollar paramilitary organizations whose purposes are still unknown.
Where the show has fallen in the past is in the careful preparation of its revelation-to-mystery ratio. However, viewers also need that chaotic feeling that anything can happen — that the true size and scope of the field of play are still unrevealed — or else the show's central attraction falls by the wayside.
The new flash-forward structure seems like a brilliant way to reintroduce that first-season sense of enormity while still giving fans their time's worth.
New roles
"Lost" is as compelling and intriguing as ever, drawing the revelations and threads of last season's finale tightly around the new off-island threat. One of the most exciting aspects of the show's new rules is the fascinating new angles and opportunities they create for the characters. New divisions in the central crash group, fights over leadership and new alliances have all revitalized and sometimes irrevocably radicalized tired characters.
In the wake of Jack's capture by, dicey collaboration with and eventual "rescue" from the Others, he's become his own opposite: haunted, ethically gray, nearly unlikable. His decisive — and sometimes violent — actions as the leader seem to stem from his knowledge and opinion of the Others, and have bemused and enraged members of the group who weren’t captured.
What were once Jack's finest qualities — his innate sense of right and wrong and his trust, as a physician, in the laws of cause and effect — become more and more limited and suspect as viewers learn more about the island's nonstandard physics. And then, through his flash forwards, fans know his rescue and escape have created a lonely prison of what was formerly a life, before the island.
Likewise, there's a chilling anticipation in the concept of watching Sayid go from repentant ex-torturer to murderer in Ben's service: How does it happen? What will it look like? Will it seem so repugnant when we get there?
The one thing fans can count on with "Lost" is that nothing is what it looks like. If something seems awful or scary at first, chances are it's probably pretty cool in the end. And the opposite is true as well, as with Walt and Locke's relationship going from spiritual haven to possible psychotic break, while Jack and Locke's once-comforting patriarchal presences become rigid, violent and scary.
Or take Hurley, who this season has become a doomed hero of nearly epic proportions. Between his flash forwards of psychological relapse and his growing relationship with the island, he seems to be one to watch this season.
And as for Ben and Juliet, those holdovers from the conflict with the Others, it would seem the freighter is the best thing that could have happened to them. By joining the original group's narrative, by hook or by crook, they've made themselves invaluable in the conflict to follow.
Now, having spent enough time with these characters to see their strengths and weaknesses, there is an opportunity to see just how far they can be pushed by the realization of their greatest wish: the possibility of escape, and of return.
Where it gets most interesting is in the flash forwards. They offer proof that Locke and Ben are completely correct — leaving the island is a terrible, terrible idea.
Jack's in an alcoholic shame spiral worse than anything he experienced pre-Oceanic, Kate's seems caught in yet another horrible relationship, Hurley's crazier than ever and Sayid seems to have lost the sense of honor that was always his best quality.
There's a feeling close to trepidation when a flash-forward story begins, if only because they are so uniformly bleak and open-ended.
Tonight marks the 73rd episode of 117. The show’s nearly two-thirds of the way to its conclusion. As the headlong rush into that last third of the story begins, it's tempting to spend every episode reviewing how far things have come, and how much things have changed.
But it's much more fun to imagine how much more things have left to change.
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[Kate] Famous fugitive: Being a member of the Oceanic Six earned Kate fame but not freedom. Well, not at first. Kate still had to stand trial for fraud, arson, murder and more from her pre-island criminal past. Her lawyer felt certain she’d serve time no matter what, but decided her best defense was her character. He wanted to play on the jury’s sympathies, specifically by bringing her son into the courtroom. Kate was quick to put the kibosh on that viewer-stunning request.
[Jack] Mitigating circumstances: Against Kate’s wishes, her lawyer called Jack to testify. (Given Jack’s tidy, beardless appearance, this all happened before his downward spiral of drinking, drugs and we-have-to-go-back pleas.) Once on the stand, Jack offered the jury a tale about the plane crashing into water, with only eight people surviving. According to Jack, two of the survivors didn’t make it, but not due to any lack of effort on Kate’s part. He credited her completely with the others' survival. After that glowing testimony, the prosecutor asked if Jack loved Kate. “No. Not anymore.”
[Locke] A new kind of leader: Back on the island, Kate paid Locke a visit to find out where Miles was. Locke refused to tell Kate, establishing that his word was law. “You may think this is a democracy because of the way Jack ran things, but it’s not,” Locke bluntly informed her. That was barely a hitch for Kate, who easily tricked Hurley into giving up the intel. She beelined it for Miles’ boathouse prison, and asked him if he knew who she was and what she did. He wouldn’t say anything until he got what he wanted — face time with Ben.
[Ben] Let’s make a deal: After Kate told Sawyer about the planned meeting between Miles and Ben, Sawyer used the info to lure Locke to the boathouse, while Kate broke into to Ben’s basement jail with Miles in tow. Miles offered Ben a deal: rather than telling his boss he found Ben, he would tell him that Ben was dead — Miles would even “take care” of pesky Charlotte — in exchange for $3.2 million. Confident that Ben could pay the oddly specific sum, Miles gave Ben a week to break free and make it happen. Then he gave Kate the info she wanted. Yes, the freighter folk know all about her.
[Sawyer] Love hurts: Locke broke up the powwow, and later asked Kate for a recap of the meeting. Once he knew what went down, he told her she was no longer welcome. Kate went straight to Sawyer, who promised to “unbanish” her. They shared a night of intimacy, before it all fell apart. He figured “Freckles” was upset because she might be pregnant. She assured him there was no bun in the oven, but didn’t appreciate his oh-thank-God reaction. Nor did she care for his insistence that if she went back to Camp Jack, she’d just find an excuse to bounce back to him later.
[Miles] Brutally effective: Back in the boathouse, Miles was bound with his wrists tied above his head. Locke shoved a hand grenade in Miles’ mouth and pulled the pin, while telling his captive that he’s in charge of the welfare of the island. (Note: He said the island, not the people on the island.) Rivaling Sayid for creative torture methods, Locke explained that Miles would be fine as long as he bit down on the trigger. With that, Locke left.
[Kate] Mama’s boy: Back to the future, Jack’s testimony, along with Kate’s mother’s refusal to testify at all, made for a get-out-of-jail-free card. Instead of serving hard time, Kate was sentenced to just 10 years probation. After the trial, Jack told Kate he didn’t mean it when he said he didn’t love her. But Kate explained that she couldn’t be with Jack, if he couldn’t be with her son. And about her son, he happens to be a rosy-cheeked, blond toddler named Aaron!
Here's another Lost angle/look at the show. Yet another interesting viewpoint.
From MSNBC:
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/23262056/
New course sets ‘Lost’ back on track
‘Freighter group’ and flash forwards send show on smart, inventive path
COMMENTARY
By Jacob Clifton
MSNBC contributor
updated 2:57 p.m. ET, Thurs., Feb. 21, 2008
As a show whose major selling points have always been mystery and confounded expectations, perhaps it's inevitable the eventual rescue implied in the premise of ABC's hit drama "Lost" would be turned on its ear.
Season four's fourth (of 13) episode airs tonight, and this season has associated the concept of rescue from the island with terrible fates, both in the immediate (the terrifying "freighter," its off-putting personnel) and the future (uniformly depressing flash forwards of the Oceanic Six).
Three and a half years ago, who could guess fans would eventually cross their fingers that the castaways would stay lost forever?
By setting these two new concepts against the show's central premise, "Lost" has managed to reverse its own course in a way that's intelligent, inventive and unexpectedly moving. Where viewers once cheered on Claire's quixotic messenger birds and Michael's raft-building, fans are now in the position of knowing that a few make it home and how bad things get there.
These developments are not entirely surprising, as we've been conditioned by the show to accept and expect game-changing reversals at least twice a season.
Remember when the castaways only had to worry about a burlap bag over the head in the middle of the night? Now they're contending with multimillion-dollar paramilitary organizations whose purposes are still unknown.
Where the show has fallen in the past is in the careful preparation of its revelation-to-mystery ratio. However, viewers also need that chaotic feeling that anything can happen — that the true size and scope of the field of play are still unrevealed — or else the show's central attraction falls by the wayside.
The new flash-forward structure seems like a brilliant way to reintroduce that first-season sense of enormity while still giving fans their time's worth.
New roles
"Lost" is as compelling and intriguing as ever, drawing the revelations and threads of last season's finale tightly around the new off-island threat. One of the most exciting aspects of the show's new rules is the fascinating new angles and opportunities they create for the characters. New divisions in the central crash group, fights over leadership and new alliances have all revitalized and sometimes irrevocably radicalized tired characters.
In the wake of Jack's capture by, dicey collaboration with and eventual "rescue" from the Others, he's become his own opposite: haunted, ethically gray, nearly unlikable. His decisive — and sometimes violent — actions as the leader seem to stem from his knowledge and opinion of the Others, and have bemused and enraged members of the group who weren’t captured.
What were once Jack's finest qualities — his innate sense of right and wrong and his trust, as a physician, in the laws of cause and effect — become more and more limited and suspect as viewers learn more about the island's nonstandard physics. And then, through his flash forwards, fans know his rescue and escape have created a lonely prison of what was formerly a life, before the island.
Likewise, there's a chilling anticipation in the concept of watching Sayid go from repentant ex-torturer to murderer in Ben's service: How does it happen? What will it look like? Will it seem so repugnant when we get there?
The one thing fans can count on with "Lost" is that nothing is what it looks like. If something seems awful or scary at first, chances are it's probably pretty cool in the end. And the opposite is true as well, as with Walt and Locke's relationship going from spiritual haven to possible psychotic break, while Jack and Locke's once-comforting patriarchal presences become rigid, violent and scary.
Or take Hurley, who this season has become a doomed hero of nearly epic proportions. Between his flash forwards of psychological relapse and his growing relationship with the island, he seems to be one to watch this season.
And as for Ben and Juliet, those holdovers from the conflict with the Others, it would seem the freighter is the best thing that could have happened to them. By joining the original group's narrative, by hook or by crook, they've made themselves invaluable in the conflict to follow.
Now, having spent enough time with these characters to see their strengths and weaknesses, there is an opportunity to see just how far they can be pushed by the realization of their greatest wish: the possibility of escape, and of return.
Where it gets most interesting is in the flash forwards. They offer proof that Locke and Ben are completely correct — leaving the island is a terrible, terrible idea.
Jack's in an alcoholic shame spiral worse than anything he experienced pre-Oceanic, Kate's seems caught in yet another horrible relationship, Hurley's crazier than ever and Sayid seems to have lost the sense of honor that was always his best quality.
There's a feeling close to trepidation when a flash-forward story begins, if only because they are so uniformly bleak and open-ended.
Tonight marks the 73rd episode of 117. The show’s nearly two-thirds of the way to its conclusion. As the headlong rush into that last third of the story begins, it's tempting to spend every episode reviewing how far things have come, and how much things have changed.
But it's much more fun to imagine how much more things have left to change.
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http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/6867118/
[Kate] Famous fugitive: Being a member of the Oceanic Six earned Kate fame but not freedom. Well, not at first. Kate still had to stand trial for fraud, arson, murder and more from her pre-island criminal past. Her lawyer felt certain she’d serve time no matter what, but decided her best defense was her character. He wanted to play on the jury’s sympathies, specifically by bringing her son into the courtroom. Kate was quick to put the kibosh on that viewer-stunning request.
[Jack] Mitigating circumstances: Against Kate’s wishes, her lawyer called Jack to testify. (Given Jack’s tidy, beardless appearance, this all happened before his downward spiral of drinking, drugs and we-have-to-go-back pleas.) Once on the stand, Jack offered the jury a tale about the plane crashing into water, with only eight people surviving. According to Jack, two of the survivors didn’t make it, but not due to any lack of effort on Kate’s part. He credited her completely with the others' survival. After that glowing testimony, the prosecutor asked if Jack loved Kate. “No. Not anymore.”
[Locke] A new kind of leader: Back on the island, Kate paid Locke a visit to find out where Miles was. Locke refused to tell Kate, establishing that his word was law. “You may think this is a democracy because of the way Jack ran things, but it’s not,” Locke bluntly informed her. That was barely a hitch for Kate, who easily tricked Hurley into giving up the intel. She beelined it for Miles’ boathouse prison, and asked him if he knew who she was and what she did. He wouldn’t say anything until he got what he wanted — face time with Ben.
[Ben] Let’s make a deal: After Kate told Sawyer about the planned meeting between Miles and Ben, Sawyer used the info to lure Locke to the boathouse, while Kate broke into to Ben’s basement jail with Miles in tow. Miles offered Ben a deal: rather than telling his boss he found Ben, he would tell him that Ben was dead — Miles would even “take care” of pesky Charlotte — in exchange for $3.2 million. Confident that Ben could pay the oddly specific sum, Miles gave Ben a week to break free and make it happen. Then he gave Kate the info she wanted. Yes, the freighter folk know all about her.
[Sawyer] Love hurts: Locke broke up the powwow, and later asked Kate for a recap of the meeting. Once he knew what went down, he told her she was no longer welcome. Kate went straight to Sawyer, who promised to “unbanish” her. They shared a night of intimacy, before it all fell apart. He figured “Freckles” was upset because she might be pregnant. She assured him there was no bun in the oven, but didn’t appreciate his oh-thank-God reaction. Nor did she care for his insistence that if she went back to Camp Jack, she’d just find an excuse to bounce back to him later.
[Miles] Brutally effective: Back in the boathouse, Miles was bound with his wrists tied above his head. Locke shoved a hand grenade in Miles’ mouth and pulled the pin, while telling his captive that he’s in charge of the welfare of the island. (Note: He said the island, not the people on the island.) Rivaling Sayid for creative torture methods, Locke explained that Miles would be fine as long as he bit down on the trigger. With that, Locke left.
[Kate] Mama’s boy: Back to the future, Jack’s testimony, along with Kate’s mother’s refusal to testify at all, made for a get-out-of-jail-free card. Instead of serving hard time, Kate was sentenced to just 10 years probation. After the trial, Jack told Kate he didn’t mean it when he said he didn’t love her. But Kate explained that she couldn’t be with Jack, if he couldn’t be with her son. And about her son, he happens to be a rosy-cheeked, blond toddler named Aaron!
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Re: "Lost" Thread-part 3
Official Revised ABC Lost Schedule
Episode 5: Feb. 28
Episode 6: March 6
Episode 7: March 13
Episode 8: March 20
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BREAK
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Episode 9: April 24
Episode 10: May 1
Episode 11: May 8
Episode 12: May 15
Episode 13: May 22 (Season Finale)
Episode 5: Feb. 28
Episode 6: March 6
Episode 7: March 13
Episode 8: March 20
............
BREAK
............
Episode 9: April 24
Episode 10: May 1
Episode 11: May 8
Episode 12: May 15
Episode 13: May 22 (Season Finale)
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Wow, what an intense, on the edge of your seat episode! Do I understand any of it.....LOL Oh, some I do, some I'm just gonna have to take on Lost-style-faith. That in time - no pun intended - we will understand all of this. Here's the TV Guide blog/recap, after reading it, you have to ask - why do I love this show this much? LOL Because it's the BEST show on TV.......anyway, here ya go. And I'll throw in a question from a reader to Matt Roush too - he sure put things into perspective that for so-called "fan" - hrrrrrmmmmppppphhhhh!
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Episode Recap: "The Constant"
Hello all! This is Mickey O'Connor here ("here" meaning New York City in 2008, I think), filling in for Trish, who has apparently gone time-traveling again, and who better bring me back a New Coke from 1985! In the meantime, I'll try to keep things up to the standards you expect around here. Bear with me, brothers!
Just in case you were already getting bored with that whole "will it be a flashback or flash-forward episode?" conundrum, fear not. "The Constant" introduced yet another narrative element to keep us on our toes. Yay — time travel!
It seems that Lapidus' momentary veer off course, which Faraday had warned him against, had the unique effect of unsticking Desmond in time, a condition to which he was particularly susceptible because of his exposure to the electromagnetism released when the Hatch made the sky go all Purple Haze. Destination: 1996, when Des was a lowly, crew-cutted Royal Scots Army man. He spent the episode in the throes of involuntary shuttling between then and the present, which is how I'll address the episode. Otherwise, covering all that time travel will be the written equivalent of watching a particularly rigorous match at Wimbledon, and I don't want you to get dizzy.
Past Des:
With the help of a quickie satellite-phone call (in the present) to the island to get Faraday's counsel, Past Des went to see a shaggy 1996 Faraday at Oxford. Shagaday — and a doomed white rat named Eloise — assisted Des in his goal: to make contact with his "constant," a stable force that exists in both time periods and would anchor his consciousness, a nice metaphorical intersection of science and love. Desmond's constant: Penny, of course. In an effort to find her, Des tracks down her father, Charles Widmore (the excellent Alan Dale), at an art auction, of all places.
Aha! Did you catch that painting he bought? It was a portrait of the good old Black Rock, which left Portsmouth, England, in 1845, and was tragically lost at sea. But! The painting comes with the first mate's journal, which was recovered from pirates, and the contents of which have never been made public. I'm guessing that isn't the last we've heard of it.
Once he finally finds a resistant Penny (remember, he ditched her to join the Army), he simply asks her for her phone number. And then he tells her that he isn't going to call her for eight years. What's a girl gotta do to get her man to commit, huh?
Present Des:
Back in 2004 — er, the present, we finally get to meet some more of the freighter folk, who lacked the quirkiness of their island brethren, instead looking — and acting — like a bunch of extras from Predator. (For the record, Google was no help with the names "Omar" or "Keamey." Anyone else have any luck?) They recognized Des' disorientation, since George Minkowski (guest star Fisher Stevens), their communications officer, was suffering the same affliction, as a result of an unfortunate joyride he and a now-dead accomplice once took in an attempt to find the island.
Minkowski, before also up and dying from a brain aneurysm (a "side effect" of his and Des' condition), helped Des and Sayid reconnect the phones so that Des could place his fated Christmas Eve call to Penny, which was a nice moment, but I kept thinking: Um, we know you love each other, but this isn't The Love Boat we're on here. Shouldn't she be fixing on his coordinates or something? Let's hope she was, because those freighter folk are scary-ominous, and we still have a lot to learn about their not-rescue-oriented intentions.
(Also, we haven't met them all, including Zoë Bell, the stuntwoman-turned-actress who was so kick-ass riding the hood of a car in Tarantino's Death Proof, and who is credited as the satellite-phone voice of the as-yet-unseen freighter gal Regina. Can't wait!)
OK, folks, as usual, this episode raised a lot of questions. Help me out in the comments sections below with these noodle-nudgers:
1. Was Penny expecting Desmond's call? It wasn't clear if Present Penny remembered Past Des' promise.
2. Why would Faraday need a "constant"?
3. Does Miles still have that grenade in his gob?
4. Are Sawyer and Kate still in bed back in New Otherton?
5. Where was Ms. Hawking? I missed her.
Have at it, brothers. And thanks in advance for being patient with my interloping.
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Friday, February 29, 2008
Is Lost Too Good? Could This Be the Emmy Year for The Wire? What's Ben Silverman Got Up His Sleeve? And More!
Question: Let me preface my question by saying I consider myself a fairly moderate Lost fan. I watch each episode and talk about it with friends, but I don't scour the Internet for clues or anything like that. In these last few weeks before the writers' strike ended, tuning in has been pretty much the highlight of my week (at least televisually). And while I know that the show is doing well and starting to answer some of the unanswered questions, I can't help but wonder: Does every hour have to be so darned dramatic? The past few weeks I feel as though the episodes have ended with some big, huge, important revelation that throws us for a big loop. Benry may have a spy on the boat. Gasp! Sayid and Benry end up working together in some capacity off the island. Shock! Kate has a son named Aaron who may or may not be the same Aaron who was birthed by Claire. Whoa! I know that these little snippets can color how we view the goings-on of the island, but as much as I love these castaways, I just don't feel like every episode needs to end by sending the viewer into fits of confusion and speculation. Am I totally crazy here, or maybe only slightly crazy, or what? Thanks as always for your great columns; I look forward to them book-ending my week.— Greg
Matt Roush: I thought I'd heard every complaint about Lost, but to fret that it's too good, too dramatic? Love it! It's true they're piling on the surprising revelations and twists this season, but what choice do they have? Every episode counts from right now till the end two years from this May, and we know how unforgiving the fans can be if they even sense the writers are treading water. My advice is just to strap in, brace yourself for the next shock and whatever you do, make sure your TV/DVR/whatever doesn't cut out at the last second. You're bound to miss something.
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Episode Recap: "The Constant"
Hello all! This is Mickey O'Connor here ("here" meaning New York City in 2008, I think), filling in for Trish, who has apparently gone time-traveling again, and who better bring me back a New Coke from 1985! In the meantime, I'll try to keep things up to the standards you expect around here. Bear with me, brothers!
Just in case you were already getting bored with that whole "will it be a flashback or flash-forward episode?" conundrum, fear not. "The Constant" introduced yet another narrative element to keep us on our toes. Yay — time travel!
It seems that Lapidus' momentary veer off course, which Faraday had warned him against, had the unique effect of unsticking Desmond in time, a condition to which he was particularly susceptible because of his exposure to the electromagnetism released when the Hatch made the sky go all Purple Haze. Destination: 1996, when Des was a lowly, crew-cutted Royal Scots Army man. He spent the episode in the throes of involuntary shuttling between then and the present, which is how I'll address the episode. Otherwise, covering all that time travel will be the written equivalent of watching a particularly rigorous match at Wimbledon, and I don't want you to get dizzy.
Past Des:
With the help of a quickie satellite-phone call (in the present) to the island to get Faraday's counsel, Past Des went to see a shaggy 1996 Faraday at Oxford. Shagaday — and a doomed white rat named Eloise — assisted Des in his goal: to make contact with his "constant," a stable force that exists in both time periods and would anchor his consciousness, a nice metaphorical intersection of science and love. Desmond's constant: Penny, of course. In an effort to find her, Des tracks down her father, Charles Widmore (the excellent Alan Dale), at an art auction, of all places.
Aha! Did you catch that painting he bought? It was a portrait of the good old Black Rock, which left Portsmouth, England, in 1845, and was tragically lost at sea. But! The painting comes with the first mate's journal, which was recovered from pirates, and the contents of which have never been made public. I'm guessing that isn't the last we've heard of it.
Once he finally finds a resistant Penny (remember, he ditched her to join the Army), he simply asks her for her phone number. And then he tells her that he isn't going to call her for eight years. What's a girl gotta do to get her man to commit, huh?
Present Des:
Back in 2004 — er, the present, we finally get to meet some more of the freighter folk, who lacked the quirkiness of their island brethren, instead looking — and acting — like a bunch of extras from Predator. (For the record, Google was no help with the names "Omar" or "Keamey." Anyone else have any luck?) They recognized Des' disorientation, since George Minkowski (guest star Fisher Stevens), their communications officer, was suffering the same affliction, as a result of an unfortunate joyride he and a now-dead accomplice once took in an attempt to find the island.
Minkowski, before also up and dying from a brain aneurysm (a "side effect" of his and Des' condition), helped Des and Sayid reconnect the phones so that Des could place his fated Christmas Eve call to Penny, which was a nice moment, but I kept thinking: Um, we know you love each other, but this isn't The Love Boat we're on here. Shouldn't she be fixing on his coordinates or something? Let's hope she was, because those freighter folk are scary-ominous, and we still have a lot to learn about their not-rescue-oriented intentions.
(Also, we haven't met them all, including Zoë Bell, the stuntwoman-turned-actress who was so kick-ass riding the hood of a car in Tarantino's Death Proof, and who is credited as the satellite-phone voice of the as-yet-unseen freighter gal Regina. Can't wait!)
OK, folks, as usual, this episode raised a lot of questions. Help me out in the comments sections below with these noodle-nudgers:
1. Was Penny expecting Desmond's call? It wasn't clear if Present Penny remembered Past Des' promise.
2. Why would Faraday need a "constant"?
3. Does Miles still have that grenade in his gob?
4. Are Sawyer and Kate still in bed back in New Otherton?
5. Where was Ms. Hawking? I missed her.
Have at it, brothers. And thanks in advance for being patient with my interloping.
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Friday, February 29, 2008
Is Lost Too Good? Could This Be the Emmy Year for The Wire? What's Ben Silverman Got Up His Sleeve? And More!
Question: Let me preface my question by saying I consider myself a fairly moderate Lost fan. I watch each episode and talk about it with friends, but I don't scour the Internet for clues or anything like that. In these last few weeks before the writers' strike ended, tuning in has been pretty much the highlight of my week (at least televisually). And while I know that the show is doing well and starting to answer some of the unanswered questions, I can't help but wonder: Does every hour have to be so darned dramatic? The past few weeks I feel as though the episodes have ended with some big, huge, important revelation that throws us for a big loop. Benry may have a spy on the boat. Gasp! Sayid and Benry end up working together in some capacity off the island. Shock! Kate has a son named Aaron who may or may not be the same Aaron who was birthed by Claire. Whoa! I know that these little snippets can color how we view the goings-on of the island, but as much as I love these castaways, I just don't feel like every episode needs to end by sending the viewer into fits of confusion and speculation. Am I totally crazy here, or maybe only slightly crazy, or what? Thanks as always for your great columns; I look forward to them book-ending my week.— Greg
Matt Roush: I thought I'd heard every complaint about Lost, but to fret that it's too good, too dramatic? Love it! It's true they're piling on the surprising revelations and twists this season, but what choice do they have? Every episode counts from right now till the end two years from this May, and we know how unforgiving the fans can be if they even sense the writers are treading water. My advice is just to strap in, brace yourself for the next shock and whatever you do, make sure your TV/DVR/whatever doesn't cut out at the last second. You're bound to miss something.
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Kelly - it was hard to follow. Of course my daughter was saying the entire time - this is the best episode! And I'm trying to stay awake - have the flu right now - but this was Lost and I was about to just go to bed. LOL So I'm fighting this dang fever and then this episode was very confusing!
Oh but we do love this show don't we? LOL
Oh but we do love this show don't we? LOL
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Re: "Lost" Thread-part 3
Oh, don't get me wrong. I loved it, too! It was just one of those episodes where at the end of the show, I'm thinking... man, I remember when they were worried about finding drinking water and when the smoke monster had me reeling with theories. Oh, the simple days of the smoke monster! 
I still haven't read Doc or what you posted above, but I will. I didn't want my thoughts to get influenced just yet. lol - we really are freaks, aren't we?
Sorry to hear you're sick! I hope you feel better. *hands you some chicken soup*
Ok, obviously the whole time thing with Desmond is HUGE. I do want to point out that I think when Desmond and Penny finally talked, that goes down as one of my favorite "emotional moments," along with Jack's whisper to Kate, "I'll come back for you," and a couple of others.
Anyhow, about the journal that was in the auction... I found it very interesting that the only person who has seen this journal is Hanso. Remember the Hanso Foundation funded the Dharma Initiative. And now Widmore wants the journal from the Black Rock, which is shipwrecked on the middle of the island, the same island his daughter's "no good" (in his mind) boyfriend's boat will eventually end up (he's bidding on it in 1996) while trying to win a race sponsored by the Widmore Corporation.
Maybe Widmore is involved in time jumping too? He's bidding on the journal from the Black Rock. I don't think that's just a coincidence. He knows what he is doing.
Another thing I noticed... although my first thought was that he was just avoiding germs when he turned on the water faucet with a towel, he also left it running. Of course sometimes water left running is just water left running.
But... maybe he didn't want to touch the METAL faucet. Thinking back to what triggered Desmond's time jumps.... a coin, a metal handrail, the metal counter on the freighter, a faucet. Perhaps 'ol Widmore didn't want to leave 1996. Or maybe I'm just crazy.
I still haven't read Doc or what you posted above, but I will. I didn't want my thoughts to get influenced just yet. lol - we really are freaks, aren't we?
Sorry to hear you're sick! I hope you feel better. *hands you some chicken soup*
Ok, obviously the whole time thing with Desmond is HUGE. I do want to point out that I think when Desmond and Penny finally talked, that goes down as one of my favorite "emotional moments," along with Jack's whisper to Kate, "I'll come back for you," and a couple of others.
Anyhow, about the journal that was in the auction... I found it very interesting that the only person who has seen this journal is Hanso. Remember the Hanso Foundation funded the Dharma Initiative. And now Widmore wants the journal from the Black Rock, which is shipwrecked on the middle of the island, the same island his daughter's "no good" (in his mind) boyfriend's boat will eventually end up (he's bidding on it in 1996) while trying to win a race sponsored by the Widmore Corporation.
Maybe Widmore is involved in time jumping too? He's bidding on the journal from the Black Rock. I don't think that's just a coincidence. He knows what he is doing.
Another thing I noticed... although my first thought was that he was just avoiding germs when he turned on the water faucet with a towel, he also left it running. Of course sometimes water left running is just water left running.
But... maybe he didn't want to touch the METAL faucet. Thinking back to what triggered Desmond's time jumps.... a coin, a metal handrail, the metal counter on the freighter, a faucet. Perhaps 'ol Widmore didn't want to leave 1996. Or maybe I'm just crazy.
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I have to say, Im lost---er. That episode last night was good, but I kept getting lost. I might have to watch it again next week. Time travel in lost is nothing new, but it was twisted in a way that half way lost me. I wanna see how they fit all the answers in a finale in a couple years, and how they are going to get us more lost in the season finale in a few months, which I wont doubt.
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southerngale wrote:I have one thing to say about the show at the moment ... huh?
I didn't realize I needed a Physics degree to watch this show.
We all will have physics degrees after the series finale of LOST. Granted, we can't put it on resumé . . .
Well, after my head stop hurting last night after watching last night's episode, I think I have a workable theory about the island. By the end of this season, it might be ready. I need to think some things through still.
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Very good ideas there Kelly. I wondered why he left the water running too! By now Lost fans know that these little things mean something. So every single thing we find odd or worth noting, we wonder if it's significant. My daughter connected Danielle's ship to the Black Rock. Now I'd have to go way back to confirm this but when fans first met Danielle, and saw her ship, it looked old my daughter said. So she immediately thought of Danielle's boat when she saw the painting. Wondering if Danielle was from another time period? Like you Kelly, I don't know where she's going with this thought either, like you with the water left running or maybe Whidmore (nasty fellow isn't he, why couldn't he accept Desmond? grrrrrr) didn't want to touch metal.
So if anyone can confirm if Danielle's ship looked like that painting, I'd appreciate it.
The moment between Des and Penny was sweet and emotional for me too Kelly. My favorite Lost moment still remains when the Losties were reconnected with the Tailies (remember them, lone survivor Bernard is the only one left,
). Charlie was playing guitar, sitting on a log on the beach, Sun was washing clothes in the ocean, a few others were nearby and up comes Jack, Ana Lucia, etc. That scene was so moving for me!
But the scene that still made me cry the hardest was the second Kate says Aaron's name, after he awakens from his nap. My thoughts went immediately to Claire and what happens to her. That is very sad! When at one time she was going to give her baby up for adoption but got a second chance at motherhood. Then to lose this chance, yet again, just broke my heart!
Okay enough Lost ramblings......
Oh my daughter's favorite new character? Farraday! As soon as he said he's been exposed to radiation, we thought, okay now his personality and quirks make sense! LOL I had to laugh at the TV Guide's blogger's new nic for him, Shagaday! LOL That haircut......or lack of one. Quite different than the yummy Sawyer's hairstyle!
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So if anyone can confirm if Danielle's ship looked like that painting, I'd appreciate it.
The moment between Des and Penny was sweet and emotional for me too Kelly. My favorite Lost moment still remains when the Losties were reconnected with the Tailies (remember them, lone survivor Bernard is the only one left,
). Charlie was playing guitar, sitting on a log on the beach, Sun was washing clothes in the ocean, a few others were nearby and up comes Jack, Ana Lucia, etc. That scene was so moving for me!But the scene that still made me cry the hardest was the second Kate says Aaron's name, after he awakens from his nap. My thoughts went immediately to Claire and what happens to her. That is very sad! When at one time she was going to give her baby up for adoption but got a second chance at motherhood. Then to lose this chance, yet again, just broke my heart!
Okay enough Lost ramblings......
Oh my daughter's favorite new character? Farraday! As soon as he said he's been exposed to radiation, we thought, okay now his personality and quirks make sense! LOL I had to laugh at the TV Guide's blogger's new nic for him, Shagaday! LOL That haircut......or lack of one. Quite different than the yummy Sawyer's hairstyle!
Mary
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Re: "Lost" Thread-part 3
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Re: "Lost" Thread-part 3
The most recent TV Guide Lost blog now has 13 pages of fans' comments! Just click on the link above to access them, anyway one fan from page 13 pointed out "OOH! did anyone notice Eko's stick said "Look North, John 3:10" and they had to follow the 310 bearing, heading North to get off the island?? (or was it 320?) either way, they matched!"
We're still talking about this episode!
We're still talking about this episode!
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LOL - "I do not know".....sounds just like Sayid. He doesn't seem to use conjunctions....LOL And chooses his words carefully I might add.
Thanks for that picture Kelly. My daughter was onto something. But does Danielle seem as if she's from a different century? She discovered how to use a radio! Maybe she's just a quick study. And if she is from a different century, what does that make Alex? A very old baby......just kidding. Maybe that is why Ben wanted to raise her, to study Alex? For some time warp fun? he he
I love how this show bleeds into your everyday life and you find yourself thinking about Lost. Asking yourself - what does it all mean? Sometimes I want one of them to say - enough, I just want a decent night's rest and food. Is that too much to ask for? Recently they mentioned how odd it was to be inside houses, with beds and bathrooms again. So at least that's saying something. After all this time, I'd be losing it.....literally! I guess I just want one of them to almost crack up, from all the craziness and instability of it all.
Thanks for that picture Kelly. My daughter was onto something. But does Danielle seem as if she's from a different century? She discovered how to use a radio! Maybe she's just a quick study. And if she is from a different century, what does that make Alex? A very old baby......just kidding. Maybe that is why Ben wanted to raise her, to study Alex? For some time warp fun? he he
I love how this show bleeds into your everyday life and you find yourself thinking about Lost. Asking yourself - what does it all mean? Sometimes I want one of them to say - enough, I just want a decent night's rest and food. Is that too much to ask for? Recently they mentioned how odd it was to be inside houses, with beds and bathrooms again. So at least that's saying something. After all this time, I'd be losing it.....literally! I guess I just want one of them to almost crack up, from all the craziness and instability of it all.
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The Black Rock wasn't Danielle's ship. It was one her crew found in the area they called "dark terriorty". It makes this clear in season one.
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Hybridstorm - thanks for clearing that up! Appreciate it.....sometimes you're almost afraid to ask questions like this b/c some fans are quick to point out you missed an important clue (not here, but that IMDB Lost board can be that way!). Last week, I felt sorry for the fan on an IMDB thread that didn't know Jack and Claire share the same father. He said - whoa, when did that happen! Naturally a bunch of fans pointed out in which episode we found this out and one asked - are we even watching the same show? LOL Anyway, thanks for being nice about it too.
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