ATL: FLORENCE - Post-Tropical - Discussion

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Re: ATL: FLORENCE - Hurricane - Discussion

#2501 Postby ConvergenceZone » Tue Sep 11, 2018 11:00 am

sittingduck wrote:I found this part of the 11 am discussion interesting but confusing - especially the last line. I understand what they are saying about weakening, but are they saying that they don't believe that she will be as strong as the official intensity forecast?

here is the part By 48 h and
beyond, Florence's slow forward speed, coupled with the large eye
and relatively shallow depth of the warm water should induce some
upwelling beneath the cyclone that will initiate a slow weakening
trend. By 72 hours the vertical wind shear is expected to increase
to near 20 kt from the southwest, which will cause more significant
weakening to occur. However, given the large overall wind field of
Florence along with the large eye, only gradual weakening is
expected. Once Florence moves inland, the slow forward speed of 3-5
kt will result in rapid spin down and weakening of the wind field.
The new official intensity forecast is above of all of the intensity
guidance based on this e aforementioned very favorable synoptic outflow
pattern, and to maintain continuity with the previous forecast.


I think a cat 3 is most likely at landfall. In spite of the weakening forecast, I don’t think it will landfall as a cat 2, but that’s still possible
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Re: ATL: FLORENCE - Hurricane - Discussion

#2502 Postby Vdogg » Tue Sep 11, 2018 11:00 am

So CMC goes way north to OBX and GFS goes way south to the NC/SC border. The actual hurricane has been slightly north of the predicted Euro track. I give up. At this point I’m just going to wait for the storm to roll in.
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Re: ATL: FLORENCE - Hurricane - Discussion

#2503 Postby wxman57 » Tue Sep 11, 2018 11:02 am

Dean4Storms wrote:Note that the Cone has shifted back south again to the GA/SC border. Still some uncertainty IMO on where exactly the track lies, the stall and if there is a true WSW motion as the ECM and GFS indicate. If that happens just offshore upper SC Coast and then moves WSW then the ramifications are going to change wholeheartedly!


That is because the 66.7% past 5 year error circle at their final position (well inland) is quite large. Look at the narrow part of the cone that takes it to landfall. It extends from the upper SC coast north to Cape Hatteras. That's the area at most risk for a landfall.
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Re: ATL: FLORENCE - Hurricane - Discussion

#2504 Postby craptacular » Tue Sep 11, 2018 11:05 am

sittingduck wrote:I found this part of the 11 am discussion interesting but confusing - especially the last line. I understand what they are saying about weakening, but are they saying that they don't believe that she will be as strong as the official intensity forecast?
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The new official intensity forecast is above of all of the intensity
guidance based on the aforementioned very favorable synoptic outflow
pattern, and to maintain continuity with the previous forecast.


Focus on second part of that sentence. The NHC doesn't like to make big changes to forecast tracks and/or forecast intensity at each update. So, even if most/all of the models have big changes from run to run, the official forecast doesn't necessarily follow suit. They prefer to nudge the forecast based on trends rather than jump all over the place. You can see how people in here react to big changes in the models ... now imagine how the 99.99%+ of the general public that doesn't follow as closely would react if the forecast track cone and intensity bounced around every 6 hours.
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Re: ATL: FLORENCE - Hurricane - Discussion

#2505 Postby supercane4867 » Tue Sep 11, 2018 11:12 am

Very solid eyewall on the new AMSU pass

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Re: ATL: FLORENCE - Hurricane - Discussion

#2506 Postby Blinhart » Tue Sep 11, 2018 11:14 am

supercane4867 wrote::double:

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Never seen a forecast like that. And I live in South Louisiana, that says something. I have seen it when it has Tropical Storm Conditions for a few days but not Hurricane.
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Re: ATL: FLORENCE - Hurricane - Discussion

#2507 Postby PTPatrick » Tue Sep 11, 2018 11:22 am

The trend of slow down at the coast and potential shear will be helpful with the wind and inland power loss. Even if it maintains 4 strength right up the coast(which appears slightly in doubt) slow movement and upwelling seems like it cause some degradation near landfall, and probably keep any cat 4 wind just offshore minimize the wind that can translate to the surface well inland. The trade off is the surge and flooding will worse. This at least appears like it will end up closer to a Floyd on misery spectrum than a Hazel or Hugo. But every storm is different and the sheer length of time with it hovering near the coast, and size, this could make Floyd seem like an April shower.

Slow moving canes just bring their own kind of misery. I remember when Georges hit my home town and stalled and rained out and flooded with surge, it felt like we were in exile for close to 3 days just watching it rain. It sucked.
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Re: ATL: FLORENCE - Hurricane - Discussion

#2508 Postby artist » Tue Sep 11, 2018 11:24 am

Dean4Storms wrote:Note that the Cone has shifted back south again to the GA/SC border. Still some uncertainty IMO on where exactly the track lies, the stall and if there is a true WSW motion as the ECM and GFS indicate. If that happens just offshore upper SC Coast and then moves WSW then the ramifications are going to change wholeheartedly!



Yep, I sense a touch of uncertainty in the following-

GOES-16 high-resolution water vapor imagery indicates that the
amplifying large-scale flow pattern across CONUS is inducing a
downstream ridge over the western Atlantic, with a high pressure
cell centered northwest of Bermuda. This blocking ridge pattern is
expected to keep Florence moving west-northwestward to northwest at
around 15 kt for the next 48 hours or so. However, embedded within
the large-scale flow is a weak shortwave trough over the central and
southern Plains that is expected to eject out northeastward and
weaken the ridging across the mid-Atlantic and southeastern U.S.,
causing Florence to slow down significantly in 72 hours as the
powerful hurricane approaches the Carolinas. On days 4 and 5, an
even slower motion or drift to the west and northwest is forecast,
which will exacerbate the heavy rainfall threat
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Re: ATL: FLORENCE - Hurricane - Discussion

#2509 Postby psyclone » Tue Sep 11, 2018 11:27 am

Blinhart wrote:
supercane4867 wrote::double:



Never seen a forecast like that. And I live in South Louisiana, that says something. I have seen it when it has Tropical Storm Conditions for a few days but not Hurricane.


Note that it says hurricane conditions "possible" not likey. This forecast is probably more reflective of a lack of granularity at this juncture rather than a protracted period of hurricane conditions. what will likely happen is hurricane/ts conditions will be updated to "likely" for a smaller block of time as the forecast timeframe reels in.
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Re: ATL: FLORENCE - Hurricane - Discussion

#2510 Postby floridasun78 » Tue Sep 11, 2018 11:30 am

i hearing alot people will not leave their think their safe area
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Re: ATL: FLORENCE - Hurricane - Discussion

#2511 Postby Kazmit » Tue Sep 11, 2018 11:31 am

Right now it looks a lot like Isabel before it went annular.
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Re: ATL: FLORENCE - Hurricane - Discussion

#2512 Postby floridasun78 » Tue Sep 11, 2018 11:33 am

looking at north Carolina beach cam all left beach only police are on sand
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Re: ATL: FLORENCE - Hurricane - Discussion

#2513 Postby tolakram » Tue Sep 11, 2018 11:43 am

Huge 40MB loop as the eye clears back out.

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Re: ATL: FLORENCE - Hurricane - Discussion

#2514 Postby Blinhart » Tue Sep 11, 2018 11:45 am

tolakram wrote:Huge 40MB loop as the eye clears back out.

[im gur]https://imgur.com/ixEx2wp[/imgur]


Can see the huge mesoscales inside that huge eye.
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Re: ATL: FLORENCE - Hurricane - Discussion

#2515 Postby Aric Dunn » Tue Sep 11, 2018 11:50 am

Kazmit wrote:Right now it looks a lot like Isabel before it went annular.


with these large eyes... starting to see those pentagram shapes spinning around...
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Re: ATL: FLORENCE - Hurricane - Discussion

#2516 Postby GCANE » Tue Sep 11, 2018 11:59 am

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Re: ATL: FLORENCE - Hurricane - Discussion

#2517 Postby GCANE » Tue Sep 11, 2018 12:00 pm

[youtube]https://youtu.be/-ah9POMe3rM[/youtube]
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Re: ATL: FLORENCE - Hurricane - Discussion

#2518 Postby GCANE » Tue Sep 11, 2018 12:01 pm

NOAA pilot Justin Kibbey discusses his flights through Hurricane Florence, which was upgraded today to a Category 4 storm.


[youtube]https://youtu.be/6gFWwtZX6Sg[/youtube]
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Re: ATL: FLORENCE - Hurricane - Discussion

#2519 Postby Vdogg » Tue Sep 11, 2018 12:08 pm

There is currently a stationary front draped across the southeast. How will Florence interact with that? Will it enhance the rainfall?
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Re: ATL: FLORENCE - Hurricane - Discussion

#2520 Postby txag2005 » Tue Sep 11, 2018 12:18 pm

I really hope people are taking the forecast of upwards of 30 inches of rain in areas serious, especially in inland areas that won’t really get the top winds or storm surge.

Having experienced Harvey, I know tons of people who lived outside of flood planes who felt safe that had flooding in their homes. I know several families that went to bed with everything seeming ok and they woke up in the middle of the night with water in their home quickly rising and needing immediate rescues.

I hope everybody heeds the warnings and forecasts and is well prepared. Please stay safe if you are in an affected area. My heart and prayers are with you all.
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