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#261 Postby chaser1 » Tue Jul 23, 2013 4:52 pm

RL3AO wrote:No if you watch the loop you can see the dry air moving SW towards the wave.


I've only just started paying some attention to 98L, and of course given its far East Atlantic location...its a bit harder to see with the same detail. One thing that struck me though and that is that I get a sense based on it's overall moisture envelope and perhaps some evidence on visible satellite, that it may be a potentially larger system than Chantal was. I only mention this in the event that upper level shear were to be a bit less of a factor than originally thought (though I clearly see that the overall upper level winds are dramatically less hostile than when Chantal was forming), than there might be a factor of increased convergence and thus a larger "pouch" in which it may be protected from the dryer air to its north and west. In addition, "if" (and I mean big if) it were to become a good deal more convective and maintain a significant CDO, than a larger system would not only be less impacted by regional conditions, but would/could tend to be a player in regards to moderating and/or pushing on the environment around it.

No prediction here, but I'm thinking very very interersting. Certainly would seem to indicate a significant Cape Verde season ahead. Now, what the upper air and steering will look like in 2-4 more weeks is anyone's guess. If this does in fact develop into a moderate T.S., than I'd say the tropics are sending a message :roll:
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#262 Postby BigB0882 » Tue Jul 23, 2013 5:22 pm

I don't want this thing to make it to the Gulf. Even if it is just a tropical wave, I am afraid the Gulf will be a better environment and then, according to what I read a week or so ago, the Northern Gulf is at risk if anything should make it this far. NOT A FORECAST.
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#263 Postby rockyman » Tue Jul 23, 2013 5:23 pm

The 18z GFS is making a bee-line toward the eastern tip of Hispaniola.

162 hours:
http://www.instantweathermaps.com/GFS-p ... b&hour=162
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Re: ATL: INVEST 98L - Discussion

#264 Postby Blown Away » Tue Jul 23, 2013 5:23 pm

Some indications at 18z the conditions may not be as bad down the road compared to earlier runs. Curious if future predictions back off a little on 98L getting shreaded after day 5??
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#265 Postby meriland23 » Tue Jul 23, 2013 5:23 pm

New GFS models want to keeps this stronger than previous runs all the way to 132hrs so far..

18z 132 hrs

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12z 132 hrs

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Re: ATL: INVEST 98L - Models

#266 Postby HurricaneMaster_PR » Tue Jul 23, 2013 5:24 pm

GFS 18Z 159 hrs

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Re: ATL: INVEST 98L - Discussion

#267 Postby cycloneye » Tue Jul 23, 2013 5:26 pm

Blown Away wrote:Some indications at 18z the conditions may not be as bad down the road compared to earlier runs. Curious if future predictions back off a little on 98L getting shreaded after day 5??


Yes, now one model has it over PR. See 98L models thread. Looks like the ridge will be strong to not allow an escape to fishland.
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Re: ATL: INVEST 98L - Discussion

#268 Postby blp » Tue Jul 23, 2013 5:36 pm

cycloneye wrote:
Blown Away wrote:Some indications at 18z the conditions may not be as bad down the road compared to earlier runs. Curious if future predictions back off a little on 98L getting shreaded after day 5??


Yes, now one model has it over PR. See 98L models thread. Looks like the ridge will be strong to not allow an escape to fishland.


Only the Euro shows fish and it is the first run were it keeps it alive so we will need to see the next runs for consistency. Bottom line today is that most models now keep it around well past the 5 days, which is big reversal from yesterday.
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#269 Postby Aric Dunn » Tue Jul 23, 2013 5:37 pm

Looks to imbedded in a classic pouch.. the dry air may stay away from the core enough to maintain it.
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#270 Postby Aric Dunn » Tue Jul 23, 2013 5:38 pm

track I bet ends up being on the far southern end of the guidance.
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#271 Postby Alyono » Tue Jul 23, 2013 5:47 pm

dissipates over Hispañiola
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#272 Postby Aric Dunn » Tue Jul 23, 2013 5:48 pm

whats the record for the farthest east july storm ?
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#273 Postby ozonepete » Tue Jul 23, 2013 5:55 pm

Aric Dunn wrote:whats the record for the farthest east july storm ?


I believe it's Bertha in 2008. From Wiki: Hurricane Bertha formed at 24.7°W, the farthest-east forming Atlantic tropical storm, hurricane and major hurricane in July.
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#274 Postby RL3AO » Tue Jul 23, 2013 5:57 pm

Aric Dunn wrote:whats the record for the farthest east july storm ?


Bertha (2008)
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Re: ATL: INVEST 98L - Models

#275 Postby ozonepete » Tue Jul 23, 2013 6:09 pm

floridasun78 wrote:
Blown Away wrote:
cycloneye wrote:Very interesting that LGEM makes it a hurricane.

http://oi44.tinypic.com/2w50f85.jpg


Doesn't the NHC rely somewhat on the LGEM for intensity predictions?? SHIP/DSHP up to Cane, so that should reflect in the next update??

i think their do nhc use ship in their forecast of system


They use a consensus of models but weight each model differently depending on its known strengths and weaknesses. They hardly ever go with one model unless it's showing high accuracy in a particular situation. Even then they'll just say that they're leaning heavily towards that model for a particular forecast.
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#276 Postby northjaxpro » Tue Jul 23, 2013 6:10 pm

Aric Dunn wrote:track I bet ends up being on the far southern end of the guidance.


If that happened, that would mean the ridge would not only re-establish itself, but would be strengthening for 98L to take the far southern track, which is definitely a possibility down the road.
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#277 Postby BigB0882 » Tue Jul 23, 2013 6:17 pm

I think the important thing to notice is the overall pattern here that this is not recurving, at least not yet in these model runs! The fact that some models kill this over Hispaniola should be taken very lightly as it would take a track only miles to the south or north to miss the island completely. Todays models have been very interesting but I know tomorrow's runs may show a giant fish. Let's see...
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Re: ATL: INVEST 98L - Discussion

#278 Postby ozonepete » Tue Jul 23, 2013 6:22 pm

Does anyone know when the floater goes to every half hour?
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Re: ATL: INVEST 98L - Discussion

#279 Postby cycloneye » Tue Jul 23, 2013 6:25 pm

ozonepete wrote:Does anyone know when the floater goes to every half hour?


I think after it pass the 30W longitude. If I am wrong someone tell. :)
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#280 Postby rockyman » Tue Jul 23, 2013 6:26 pm

The 18z GFS is making a bee-line toward the eastern tip of Hispaniola.

162 hours:
http://www.instantweathermaps.com/GFS-p ... b&hour=162
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