Thanks Miss Mary, I was totally lost(no pun intended) with the ending of this episode. Did not realise that this was a flashback and flashforward.
So when Jin was in the hospital to deliver the Panda, who was having a baby? Who is Mrs Paek(sp)? Anyone?
Just read another board, I missed where he told the woman that he had been married for 2 months so this was before the crash. He must not had made it off the island or died shortly afterward.
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Personally what I want to really know (and I may have to wait until season five, or even six, for the answers at this rate) is:
1. What is the nature of the Island?
2. Who, or what, is Jacob?
3. Where did the original hostiles, who were already living on the Islands in the 1970s, come from?
4. Who were the "Adam and Eve" skeletons, and what do they have to do with the history of the Island?
5. How did Ben become the leader of the new amalgamated group of the Hostiles and the Others?
and son on, and so on, and so on..........
1. What is the nature of the Island?
2. Who, or what, is Jacob?
3. Where did the original hostiles, who were already living on the Islands in the 1970s, come from?
4. Who were the "Adam and Eve" skeletons, and what do they have to do with the history of the Island?
5. How did Ben become the leader of the new amalgamated group of the Hostiles and the Others?
and son on, and so on, and so on..........
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Tstormwatcher wrote:Thanks Miss Mary, I was totally lost(no pun intended) with the ending of this episode. Did not realise that this was a flashback and flashforward.
So when Jin was in the hospital to deliver the Panda, who was having a baby? Who is Mrs Paek(sp)? Anyone?
Just read another board, I missed where he told the woman that he had been married for 2 months so this was before the crash. He must not had made it off the island or died shortly afterward.
Jin was at the hospital to deliver the Panda to the Chinese Ambassador to Korea. His daughter or daughter-in-law just gave birth to a son. It was a gift from Mr. Paik to try to influence a possible business deal with China.
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We don't know yet. I suspect it may the center of time and space or something like thatHybridstorm_November2001 wrote:Personally what I want to really know (and I may have to wait until season five, or even six, for the answers at this rate) is:
1. What is the nature of the Island?
Don't know yet.2. Who, or what, is Jacob?
Either the descendants of those who were trapped on the island (remember the ship?) or personally, I am beginning to believe that they are survivors who shipwrecked/crashed on the island.3. Where did the original hostiles, who were already living on the Islands in the 1970s, come from?
unknown yet, will be answered4. Who were the "Adam and Eve" skeletons, and what do they have to do with the history of the Island?
he was willing to gas the Dharma group--- see the episode 'The Man Behind the Curtain' Episode 3.205. How did Ben become the leader of the new amalgamated group of the Hostiles and the Others?
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I recall the gasing of the Dharmites; however that still does not explain how Ben became the leader of the new group. I personally think his leadership position has more to do with his relationship to Jacob and/or the Island in general, than the gasing incident. In any event it remains unclear at this point.
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Matt Roush of TV Guide answers a few viewers' Lost questions....food for thought. Or maybe I should say Dharma food for thought! LOL
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Question: I'm so excited that you enjoy Lost as much as I do, and I agree it is a classic show. I have found, sadly, that I don't have one person at work to discuss Lost with around the watercooler. I think between all the networks, cable channels, Internet, video games and DVD rentals, amazing shows like Lost get "lost" in the flood of viewing choices the public has nowadays. (All those here-today-gone-tomorrow series and a never-ending parade of cheap reality series don't help either). The days of shows like Seinfeld and The X-Files being seen and watched in big numbers by the masses just don't exist anymore. Is this a good or bad thing? On one hand, great shows get lost in the shuffle, but on the other, maybe shows like Lost can attract a smarter audience who truly appreciates writing that keeps them challenged and thinking. My husband feels Lost is just jerking us around like The X-Files did, but I disagree and think the writers have a much clearer vision of where this story is going.— Joy L.
Matt Roush: Plus, keep in mind that many more people are watching their favorite shows on a different schedule, thanks to DVRs, or even on a different screen, in the case of streaming video online or downloads. Most Lost fans I know wouldn't dream of not watching it on Thursdays, but you're right that the audience has become more and more fragmented, which makes the watercooler a lot less happening of a place nowadays. Lost may not be what it was in terms of overall ratings, but it's still a hit, albeit more of a cult hit — which I've said before is really what it probably should have been all along, given its ambition and its determination not to be the same show every week. Lost isn't for everyone. Neither was The X-Files. And I'm with you that Lost hasn't lost its way, not by a long shot. The mysteries and mythologies are dense and at times forbidding, but the show has rarely lost its grip on the great and diverse character drama that distinguishes it from any other "genre" show I've ever seen.
Question: One reader said he knows people in his everyday life who cannot stand Lost. This seems unfathomable considering how strong the show has been this year, but I hear the same thing. For a time, I've heard people at work say they hate Lost because of the flashbacks. I recently overheard a conversation where one woman told another, "I can't watch Lost anymore. I don't know if I'm in the past, the present or the future. I'm totally confused." I think there is a real reason why television is called the boob tube. I'm betting these same people like the latest crap that reality television has to offer, and that alone makes me worry about there being any kind of quality television out there. — Lyle
Matt Roush: And here is where I caution TV fans to repeat after me: To each his own. Not embracing Lost is not a sign of intellectual emptiness or having a predisposition for garbage. It is a show that demands a lot of a viewer, including patience and tolerance (for those times it hits the inevitable bump) and resilience against the nay-sayers. And for those who don't like the flashback or flash-forward structure, this simply isn't going to be their type of show. And some people simply have no use for adventure-fantasy. It's not for everyone, clearly. I can see why many more people would be willing to settle into a well-done formula show like CSI in the same time period or why others would go with NBC's sitcoms (when they're new). On the other hand, those favoring the ridiculously empty nonsense that is Celebrity Apprentice? That one I can't explain.
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Question: I'm so excited that you enjoy Lost as much as I do, and I agree it is a classic show. I have found, sadly, that I don't have one person at work to discuss Lost with around the watercooler. I think between all the networks, cable channels, Internet, video games and DVD rentals, amazing shows like Lost get "lost" in the flood of viewing choices the public has nowadays. (All those here-today-gone-tomorrow series and a never-ending parade of cheap reality series don't help either). The days of shows like Seinfeld and The X-Files being seen and watched in big numbers by the masses just don't exist anymore. Is this a good or bad thing? On one hand, great shows get lost in the shuffle, but on the other, maybe shows like Lost can attract a smarter audience who truly appreciates writing that keeps them challenged and thinking. My husband feels Lost is just jerking us around like The X-Files did, but I disagree and think the writers have a much clearer vision of where this story is going.— Joy L.
Matt Roush: Plus, keep in mind that many more people are watching their favorite shows on a different schedule, thanks to DVRs, or even on a different screen, in the case of streaming video online or downloads. Most Lost fans I know wouldn't dream of not watching it on Thursdays, but you're right that the audience has become more and more fragmented, which makes the watercooler a lot less happening of a place nowadays. Lost may not be what it was in terms of overall ratings, but it's still a hit, albeit more of a cult hit — which I've said before is really what it probably should have been all along, given its ambition and its determination not to be the same show every week. Lost isn't for everyone. Neither was The X-Files. And I'm with you that Lost hasn't lost its way, not by a long shot. The mysteries and mythologies are dense and at times forbidding, but the show has rarely lost its grip on the great and diverse character drama that distinguishes it from any other "genre" show I've ever seen.
Question: One reader said he knows people in his everyday life who cannot stand Lost. This seems unfathomable considering how strong the show has been this year, but I hear the same thing. For a time, I've heard people at work say they hate Lost because of the flashbacks. I recently overheard a conversation where one woman told another, "I can't watch Lost anymore. I don't know if I'm in the past, the present or the future. I'm totally confused." I think there is a real reason why television is called the boob tube. I'm betting these same people like the latest crap that reality television has to offer, and that alone makes me worry about there being any kind of quality television out there. — Lyle
Matt Roush: And here is where I caution TV fans to repeat after me: To each his own. Not embracing Lost is not a sign of intellectual emptiness or having a predisposition for garbage. It is a show that demands a lot of a viewer, including patience and tolerance (for those times it hits the inevitable bump) and resilience against the nay-sayers. And for those who don't like the flashback or flash-forward structure, this simply isn't going to be their type of show. And some people simply have no use for adventure-fantasy. It's not for everyone, clearly. I can see why many more people would be willing to settle into a well-done formula show like CSI in the same time period or why others would go with NBC's sitcoms (when they're new). On the other hand, those favoring the ridiculously empty nonsense that is Celebrity Apprentice? That one I can't explain.
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This is from March 4th, but it's pretty interesting, and funny. There aren't any real spoilers in here, but there's a little insight into what this week's show is about, and they mention a few things that will be answered this season.
Lost: The Cast's Burning Questions Answered!
by Shawna Malcom
"It's no shock to say that Season 4 ends with the Oceanic 6 getting off the island," Lost executive producer Damon Lindelof shares with TV Guide. "The real mystery is how, and what they have to sacrifice, and what happens to the people who didn't leave. You get all that this year." Sounds good, we'll take it. But what other intel are producers willing to spill? To find out, we turned to no, not viewers but to Lost cast members themselves for their own burning questions. Warning! The producers' answers could cause a major head rush, if not a full-on Desmond-style time jump.
Jorge Garcia (Hurley): "Is Ben in the coffin?"
Carlton Cuse: Come on, Jorge!
Damon Lindelof: Seriously! [To Cuse] He's just trying to make sure it's not him. It's process of elimination. The next question is, "Is it Michael?" [Laughs]
Cuse: Before the end of the year, you will know who's in the coffin.
Lindelof: And Jorge will definitely know before anyone else.
Yunjin Kim (Sun): "Is Aaron actually one of the Oceanic 6?"
Cuse: We're not officially saying yet. We want the audience to engage in an active debate about who the Oceanic 6 are.
Lindelof: Following [Sayid's] episode, we got several inquiries we weren't anticipating about, 'Is Ben a member of the Oceanic 6?' He could've assumed the identity of somebody on the plane [with] no surviving family members. Who the actual six are is very much in play through the end of the [March 13th] episode. We'll confirm or deny after that.
Josh Holloway (Sawyer): "Is it Jack's turn with Kate?"
Cuse: [Laughs] That doesn't sound very romantic, but I guess we get the underlying meaning. The Jack-Kate situation remains unresolved and probably will be for a while.
Lindelof: We will say we haven't seen the last of Sawyer and Kate this season. Not by a long shot.
Henry Ian Cusick (Desmond): "It's 2004 on the boat. What year is it in Penny's world? What year is it when the Oceanic 6 get home?"
Lindelof: What's fundamentally interesting about all the time-jumping is that we want it to make sense when people watch the show 10 years from now. We don't want it to seem dated. So it's not really about what year it is in the outside world, it's about how many years have elapsed between the time that we're watching on the island and the flash-forwards. That's one of the fun games the audience is playing: "Gee, Aaron looks like he's about 18 months old. What does that mean, and how old was he when they got off the island?"
Cuse: There are some growth issues when you go on or off the island. But I can't say more about that.
Lindelof: You've already said enough.
Evangeline Lilly (Kate): "Did Michael reach the mainland? Go home? Come back to rescue us?"
Cuse: The good news is that Evie will get all of her answers in [the March 20th] episode.
Lindelof: Well, most of them.
Cuse: Those questions form the basis for that episode. Evie should be somewhat happy.
Elizabeth Mitchell (Juliet): "Why did Juliet become such a badass? Who trained her — the Others?"
Cuse: I think there was probably some martial arts in New Otherton.
Lindelof: She probably went out shooting with Friendly back in the day, which is why she can handle a firearm so well. But the real inspiration for Juliet being a badass was Elizabeth herself. When she read for the part, she had this huge cast on her arm and was talking about her days of kickboxing....
Cuse: And then she beat Damon up.
Holloway: "Sawyer needs a freakin' haircut! Since I'm living with Hurley, can he cut my hair?"
Lindelof: [Laughs] That episode's a casualty of the strike.
Cuse: But yeah, Josh can have a haircut.
Lindelof: Josh might've forgotten, but this is a recurring request from him. He's like, 'My hair's getting long, can't Kate cut it?' So we did an episode [in Season 2] where Kate cuts his hair. I love how Josh chooses who's going to be his barber at any given time!
Cusick: "Did Jack's flash-forward in the third-season finale take place after the events of Sayid's most-recent episode?"
Cuse and Lindelof: Yes.
Naveen Andrews (Sayid): "Damon spoke once about going back into Sayid's childhood. It didn't sound like bulls--t at the time. Has he abandoned that?"
Lindelof: I love how he phrases it — "It didn't sound like bulls--t at the time" — [implying], "But it certainly seems like bulls--t now." [Laughs] It's certainly something we still want to do. It wouldn't necessarily be an entire flashback based in his childhood, but there may be significant things that happened when Sayid was a kid that we need to reveal.
Lost: The Cast's Burning Questions Answered!
by Shawna Malcom
"It's no shock to say that Season 4 ends with the Oceanic 6 getting off the island," Lost executive producer Damon Lindelof shares with TV Guide. "The real mystery is how, and what they have to sacrifice, and what happens to the people who didn't leave. You get all that this year." Sounds good, we'll take it. But what other intel are producers willing to spill? To find out, we turned to no, not viewers but to Lost cast members themselves for their own burning questions. Warning! The producers' answers could cause a major head rush, if not a full-on Desmond-style time jump.
Jorge Garcia (Hurley): "Is Ben in the coffin?"
Carlton Cuse: Come on, Jorge!
Damon Lindelof: Seriously! [To Cuse] He's just trying to make sure it's not him. It's process of elimination. The next question is, "Is it Michael?" [Laughs]
Cuse: Before the end of the year, you will know who's in the coffin.
Lindelof: And Jorge will definitely know before anyone else.
Yunjin Kim (Sun): "Is Aaron actually one of the Oceanic 6?"
Cuse: We're not officially saying yet. We want the audience to engage in an active debate about who the Oceanic 6 are.
Lindelof: Following [Sayid's] episode, we got several inquiries we weren't anticipating about, 'Is Ben a member of the Oceanic 6?' He could've assumed the identity of somebody on the plane [with] no surviving family members. Who the actual six are is very much in play through the end of the [March 13th] episode. We'll confirm or deny after that.
Josh Holloway (Sawyer): "Is it Jack's turn with Kate?"
Cuse: [Laughs] That doesn't sound very romantic, but I guess we get the underlying meaning. The Jack-Kate situation remains unresolved and probably will be for a while.
Lindelof: We will say we haven't seen the last of Sawyer and Kate this season. Not by a long shot.
Henry Ian Cusick (Desmond): "It's 2004 on the boat. What year is it in Penny's world? What year is it when the Oceanic 6 get home?"
Lindelof: What's fundamentally interesting about all the time-jumping is that we want it to make sense when people watch the show 10 years from now. We don't want it to seem dated. So it's not really about what year it is in the outside world, it's about how many years have elapsed between the time that we're watching on the island and the flash-forwards. That's one of the fun games the audience is playing: "Gee, Aaron looks like he's about 18 months old. What does that mean, and how old was he when they got off the island?"
Cuse: There are some growth issues when you go on or off the island. But I can't say more about that.
Lindelof: You've already said enough.
Evangeline Lilly (Kate): "Did Michael reach the mainland? Go home? Come back to rescue us?"
Cuse: The good news is that Evie will get all of her answers in [the March 20th] episode.
Lindelof: Well, most of them.
Cuse: Those questions form the basis for that episode. Evie should be somewhat happy.
Elizabeth Mitchell (Juliet): "Why did Juliet become such a badass? Who trained her — the Others?"
Cuse: I think there was probably some martial arts in New Otherton.
Lindelof: She probably went out shooting with Friendly back in the day, which is why she can handle a firearm so well. But the real inspiration for Juliet being a badass was Elizabeth herself. When she read for the part, she had this huge cast on her arm and was talking about her days of kickboxing....
Cuse: And then she beat Damon up.
Holloway: "Sawyer needs a freakin' haircut! Since I'm living with Hurley, can he cut my hair?"
Lindelof: [Laughs] That episode's a casualty of the strike.
Cuse: But yeah, Josh can have a haircut.
Lindelof: Josh might've forgotten, but this is a recurring request from him. He's like, 'My hair's getting long, can't Kate cut it?' So we did an episode [in Season 2] where Kate cuts his hair. I love how Josh chooses who's going to be his barber at any given time!
Cusick: "Did Jack's flash-forward in the third-season finale take place after the events of Sayid's most-recent episode?"
Cuse and Lindelof: Yes.
Naveen Andrews (Sayid): "Damon spoke once about going back into Sayid's childhood. It didn't sound like bulls--t at the time. Has he abandoned that?"
Lindelof: I love how he phrases it — "It didn't sound like bulls--t at the time" — [implying], "But it certainly seems like bulls--t now." [Laughs] It's certainly something we still want to do. It wouldn't necessarily be an entire flashback based in his childhood, but there may be significant things that happened when Sayid was a kid that we need to reveal.
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The actor who plays Michael is interviewed by TV Guide. It contains spoilers, so don't read if you want to be surprised tonight.
Personally, I don't think I'll read this article - until tomorrow!
But here ya go for those that like to read about Lost......and for the record, I still wish that Ben's man on the freighter had turned out to be Charlie.
http://www.tvguide.com/news/lost-harold ... /080320-01
Personally, I don't think I'll read this article - until tomorrow!
But here ya go for those that like to read about Lost......and for the record, I still wish that Ben's man on the freighter had turned out to be Charlie.
http://www.tvguide.com/news/lost-harold ... /080320-01
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Michael's back and tonight is his episode. So what do I know, . . . hmmm
minor, you probably already, spoilers that will make you go . . wth?
major spoilers that will make you definately go ". . WTH?", from Doc Artz:
minor, you probably already, spoilers that will make you go . . wth?
Walt is back, just not in the form we are expecting. .
major spoilers that will make you definately go ". . WTH?", from Doc Artz:
Tonight is the night! Michaelpalooza comes to an end with the return of one of the original 815'rs. But there are a lot of questions about how and why Michael has returned. I have some hints to keep yourselves busy:
Michael's reason for returning has to deal with something he wants to do personally, but cannot do away from the island.
Despite all of my hopes and dreams to the contrary, Michael is not a clone/duplicate/twin.
Michael is not being coerced to be there by Ben, but by the island itself.
An old face will reappear in a manner reminiscent of Charlie in the season 4 premiere, and (for me at least) raise some new questions about the incorporeals on the show.
Yes, yes... somebody dies... but TWO are shot.
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Wow, so many questions.
First and foremost, we got to see Michael deeply affected from killing both Ana Lucia and then Libby. Which makes me feel better (for some odd reason). We get to see Walt again, thru a window, which solves the actor turning 16 problem......happy to know at least one plane crash survivor is allowed to live "normally" back in the real world. But Tom's flashbacks in NYC with his boyfriend (a new character to Lost viewers?) were just creepy and then to hear Michael's question (I mistakenly thought Hurley asked this question) - who are you people? Ben - we're the good guys!
I still have to laugh - good guys?
All I know is this, we now know what Michael has been thru but when Sayid turned him in to the captain, I thought - now that is something I would have done. Sayid is definitely not on Ben's payroll.....yet.
Even though it's hard to believe any of them will ever truly be happy again, I still say the two I would trust the most are first, Jack and then, a very close second, Sayid.
Did anyone notice how much older both Alex and Karl looked tonight? That's the problem with having children or teenagers on the show I guess........they both could have passed for 20!
First and foremost, we got to see Michael deeply affected from killing both Ana Lucia and then Libby. Which makes me feel better (for some odd reason). We get to see Walt again, thru a window, which solves the actor turning 16 problem......happy to know at least one plane crash survivor is allowed to live "normally" back in the real world. But Tom's flashbacks in NYC with his boyfriend (a new character to Lost viewers?) were just creepy and then to hear Michael's question (I mistakenly thought Hurley asked this question) - who are you people? Ben - we're the good guys!
I still have to laugh - good guys?
All I know is this, we now know what Michael has been thru but when Sayid turned him in to the captain, I thought - now that is something I would have done. Sayid is definitely not on Ben's payroll.....yet.
Even though it's hard to believe any of them will ever truly be happy again, I still say the two I would trust the most are first, Jack and then, a very close second, Sayid.
Did anyone notice how much older both Alex and Karl looked tonight? That's the problem with having children or teenagers on the show I guess........they both could have passed for 20!
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Re: "Lost" Thread-part 3
TV Guide's Friday morning Lost recap/blog/summary - it's very thorough and from another blogger, subbing for Lost's regular blogger.
Somehow I must miss some of these minor, minor details so I like to read these blogs to catch the small details, which can turn into major clues, on Lost that is. LOL
http://community.tvguide.com/blog-entry ... /800035969
Somehow I must miss some of these minor, minor details so I like to read these blogs to catch the small details, which can turn into major clues, on Lost that is. LOL
http://community.tvguide.com/blog-entry ... /800035969
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brunota2003 wrote:WOW...that is all I have to say about tonight's episode. So, who is the one that lives? Her mom, or her boyfriend?
I think the boyfriend is dead but mom is still alive. Don't recall seeing any blood on her. The bigger question, who was shooting at them? The crew from the capsule or the other 'others'?
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Danielle could be playing dead to save Alex in the end.
I'd be playing dead around these wacko's! Karl looked gone already though. Was it ever established who his parents were? And how he came to be on the island? Was he born and raised there?
There needs to be a Lost handbook or something...LOL
I'd be playing dead around these wacko's! Karl looked gone already though. Was it ever established who his parents were? And how he came to be on the island? Was he born and raised there?
There needs to be a Lost handbook or something...LOL
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Miss Mary wrote: I'd be playing dead around these wacko's! Karl looked gone already though. Was it ever established who his parents were? And how he came to be on the island? Was he born and raised there?
All (as you'll know if you read the pedia) unknown.
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I read on another forum some things that I completely missed.
The people who may have been shooting at the three could have been from the boat. Remember the scene when the men with automatic weapons were firing at the skeets on the boat. They were no where to be seen when the Captain was beating up the men who tried to get on the raft. Also the helicopter was missing at one sceen and the captain said it went on an errand. Could they be the ones who shot the boy and the mother and could they be the ones who are going to shoot at the village in an upcomming episode? Things to ponder for 4 weeks.
The people who may have been shooting at the three could have been from the boat. Remember the scene when the men with automatic weapons were firing at the skeets on the boat. They were no where to be seen when the Captain was beating up the men who tried to get on the raft. Also the helicopter was missing at one sceen and the captain said it went on an errand. Could they be the ones who shot the boy and the mother and could they be the ones who are going to shoot at the village in an upcomming episode? Things to ponder for 4 weeks.
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Alright, I'll put myself on the line and say they are from the boat. Notice they shot everyone EXCEPT Ben's daughter? What did Ben say before she left? That they would try to use her to get to him, correct? And what better way than to get her alone, kidnap her, and use her for bait, or as a bargaining chip.
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