NWS MIA Confirms a Strong Bermuda High, a Precursor?

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#341 Postby gatorcane » Wed Apr 05, 2006 7:38 pm

WOW! That is some ridge. It's hard to deny the fact that there will be some good ridging for this hurricane season more than likely :eek:

Remember it's not just FL that could be impacted by persistent ridging. If the Azores High is strong this summer, then the Caribbean is at serious risk. From the looks of that Azores High, it's looking like it is showing signs it wants to rear its ugly head.
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#342 Postby CHRISTY » Wed Apr 05, 2006 8:43 pm

000
FXUS62 KMFL 060140
AFDMFL

AREA FORECAST DISCUSSION
NATIONAL WEATHER SERVICE MIAMI FL
930 PM EDT WED APR 5 2006

.UPDATE...THE HIGH OVER THE GULF OF MEXICO IS TRYING TO SETTLE IN
OVER OUR ZONES TONIGHT SO THE WINDS SHOULD CONTINUE TO WEAKEN. ALL
OBSERVATIONS SHOW THAT WE ARE STILL VERY DRY SO NOTHING EXPECTED IN
THE WAY OF WEATHER. WITH THESE LIGHT WINDS WE SHOULD SET UP A LAND
BREEZE AND HAVE THE TEMPERATURES FALL AS EXPECTED. SO NO CHANGES
ARE PLANNED AT THIS TIME.
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#343 Postby caribepr » Wed Apr 05, 2006 9:50 pm

Seems like you all ought to go out and enjoy the beautiful weather! Chickens hatch when they are ready 8-)
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#344 Postby gatorcane » Thu Apr 06, 2006 1:08 am

the Bermuda High is well established and it has been this way nearly all winter with some occasional weaknesses. It's becoming clear that the Bermuda High will be a dominating feature this hurricane season. There should also be occasional weaknesses in the Bermuda High the result will be some storms that will track from SW to NE....possibly into the W coast of FL
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#345 Postby Weatherfreak000 » Thu Apr 06, 2006 7:20 am

That isn't a factor in determining how the actual hurricane season will act. Your just describing the off season. You've got no real evidence to support your saying of a dominant Bermuda High.

Your telling me in the four or so months it's gonna take for us to get to the peak of the season these factors won't change? Nobody knows for sure. :roll:
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#346 Postby boca » Thu Apr 06, 2006 7:25 am

In June will have a better idea of what the Bemuda High will do. In Boca_Chris thoughts I believe he saying that since the High hasn't really weakened this past winter it stands to reason that it should remain strong thru hurricane season. we shall see.
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#347 Postby CHRISTY » Thu Apr 06, 2006 12:38 pm

it will persist u will see....
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#348 Postby Javlin » Thu Apr 06, 2006 12:44 pm

Weatherfreak000 wrote:That isn't a factor in determining how the actual hurricane season will act. Your just describing the off season. You've got no real evidence to support your saying of a dominant Bermuda High.

Your telling me in the four or so months it's gonna take for us to get to the peak of the season these factors won't change? Nobody knows for sure. :roll:


Correct but the main thing I have notice is that patterns change ever so slowly.This compounded with the fact it has changed little in the last several months if not longer may lend itself to a stong ridge for the most part.The cool fronts will stop before long and the fact that none of them have been strong enough to budge the ridge speaks for itself coupled with jet so far N hence the dry conditions all along the GOM and FL.But change is inevitable just will it be enough?
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#349 Postby CHRISTY » Thu Apr 06, 2006 12:51 pm

will i read that on la nina years the jet rides way up north so that there cant be good...also i see no reason why what we have the past 2 seaons isnt gonna continue,its a pattern a new ira unless something bigtime changes which i have not seen so far..
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#350 Postby CHRISTY » Thu Apr 06, 2006 1:07 pm

DRY AIR IS IN TOTAL CONTROL....

000
FXUS62 KMFL 061406
AFDMFL

AREA FORECAST DISCUSSION
NATIONAL WEATHER SERVICE MIAMI FL
1006 AM EDT THU APR 6 2006

.UPDATE...NO CHANGES PLANNED TO MORNING UPDATES AS FORECAST LOOKS
STATUS QUO. THE 12Z MFL SOUNDING SHOWS VERY DRY AIR STILL IN PLACE
WITH LOW LEVEL D-NE FLOW. A FEW MORE CU SHOWING UP ALONG THE E CST
FROM BOTH SATELLITE AND METARS BUT SOUNDING DOES NOT LOOK MUCH
DIFFERENCE FROM 24 HRS AGO SO DO NOT THINK THE CU FIELD WILL BE
ANYTHING BUT FEW OR SCT AT BEST. MARINE ZONES LOOK TO BE IN GOOD
SHAPE AS WELL.
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#351 Postby MiamiensisWx » Thu Apr 06, 2006 1:59 pm

Rain chances are slipping away... more ridging ahead after front and little precipitation...

000
FXUS62 KMFL 061848
AFDMFL

AREA FORECAST DISCUSSION
NATIONAL WEATHER SERVICE MIAMI FL
248 PM EDT THU APR 6 2006

.DISCUSSION...UPPER/SFC RIDGING WILL BE DOMINATING S FLA WX
THROUGH FRIDAY. AFTER THIS A STRONG SHORTWAVE WILL BE MOVING INTO
THE SE U.S. ALONG WITH AN ASSOCIATED SFC COLD FRONT. THIS WILL
THEN SHOVE THE SFC RIDGE TO THE SE BUT STILL NO REAL MOISTURE
RETURN AND THEREFORE LOW POPS. IN FACT POPS PRETTY MUCH NIL. THE
FRONT WILL MOVE TO S FLA LATE SUN/EARLY MON WITH A SLIGHT INCREASE
IN DEEP LAYER MOISTURE. HOWEVER, THE GFS HAS BACKED OFF IN EARLIER
DEVELOPMENT OF LOW PRESSURE IN THE SE GULF WHICH BROUGHT SOME
MAYBE RELIEF IN SIGHT FOR SOME MUCH NEEDED RAINFALL. WILL NOT BACK
OFF FROM THE POPS CURRENTLY IN FORECAST BUT LOOKING LESS LIKELY.
ONCE THE TROUGH MOVES INTO THE ATL BY TUESDAY DRIER AIR ONCE AGAIN
FILTERS IN ACROSS THE REGION GIVING MEANING TO OUR STATES SLOGAN.



&&

.MARINE...WINDS WILL BE VEERING TO THE S AHEAD OF THE APPROACHING
FRONT AND THEN WITH THE FRONT BECOMING PRETTY MUCH DIFFUSE BY LATE
IN THE WEEKEND, WINDS WILL BECOME VERY LIGHT. THUS, SEAS WILL BE
LESS THAN 5 FEET THROUGH THE PERIOD.



&&

.FIRE WEATHER...DEW POINTS HAVE RISEN TODAY EVEN OVER THE INTERIOR
ZONES BACK INTO THE MID TO UPPER 50S. BUT WITH AFTERNOON TEMPS
CLIMBING INTO THE UPPER 80S, RH VALUES ARE DIPPING BELOW 35
PERCENT AS I WRITE THIS DISCUSSION. SFC WINDS WILL CONTINUE FROM
THE EASTERLY DIRECTION AND W CST SEA BREEZES SO THIS WILL AID IN
RISING DEW POINTS. SO NO PROBLEMS OR CONCERNS BEYOND THIS AFTERNOON.


&&

.PRELIMINARY POINT TEMPS/POPS...
WEST PALM BEACH 66 85 71 88 / 0 5 10 10
FORT LAUDERDALE 70 85 72 87 / 0 5 10 10
MIAMI 70 87 72 88 / 0 5 10 10
NAPLES 65 84 68 84 / 5 5 10 10

&&

.MFL WATCHES/WARNINGS/ADVISORIES...
FL...NONE.
AM...NONE.
GM...NONE.
&&

$$

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#352 Postby CHRISTY » Thu Apr 06, 2006 2:06 pm

I KNEW IT I TOLD U GUYS THE NAME OF THE GAME IS DRY AIR!!!!!! :sprinkler:
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#353 Postby CHRISTY » Thu Apr 06, 2006 2:15 pm

THANKS GOD ITS NOT AUGUST OR SEPTEMBER....BUT COME THOSE MONTHS WATCH OUT!

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#354 Postby Scorpion » Thu Apr 06, 2006 2:22 pm

Wow that is a strong ridge.
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#355 Postby gatorcane » Thu Apr 06, 2006 2:38 pm

Wow that is a strong ridge.


Yes it is....it is early by I think some of those on the "it's too early to tell" side of the fence may be jumping over soon...

I'd like to see some research on previous years at this time and if there was this much ridging that we are seeing..

Any pro mets want to comment? - I think this is a bit unusual for this time of year...

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#356 Postby skysummit » Thu Apr 06, 2006 2:46 pm

With that kind of ridge....watch out Texas! I'm sure it'll weaken some though. Honestly, I don't even want to get caught in this conversation so I don't even know why I replied. :lol:
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#357 Postby CHRISTY » Thu Apr 06, 2006 2:50 pm

boca_chris wrote:
Wow that is a strong ridge.


Yes it is....it is early by I think some of those on the "it's too early to tell" side of the fence may be jumping over soon...

I'd like to see some research on previous years at this time and if there was this much ridging that we are seeing..

Any pro mets want to comment? - I think this is a bit unusual for this time of year...

:think:
i just pm'd wxmann 57 on this subject!
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#358 Postby HurricaneHunter914 » Thu Apr 06, 2006 3:42 pm

The ridge actually looks stronger and has expanded now. If this was the ridge in August, Loisiana would be wiped off the map.
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#359 Postby AJC3 » Thu Apr 06, 2006 4:32 pm

boca_chris wrote:
Wow that is a strong ridge.


Yes it is....it is early by I think some of those on the "it's too early to tell" side of the fence may be jumping over soon...

I'd like to see some research on previous years at this time and if there was this much ridging that we are seeing..

Any pro mets want to comment? - I think this is a bit unusual for this time of year...

:think:



With all due respect to the posters in this thread, I think it's rather misguided to follow the daily progress of the surface reflection of the bermuda ridge in early April.

I think a couple of points need to be made here:


1. What you are looking at is a surface feature. Surface high, lows, troughs and ridges, cold fronts, etc. are not the primary forces in
steering a TC. They are but a small component of the MEAN steering flow that determines the eventual track of a TC. This layer of mean steering flow is dependent on the strength of the TC, and how vertically deep the vigorous circulation (relatively high vorticity values) extends upward through the atmosphere. CIMSS has some really useful mean layer steering analyses, however I don't know if there's a site on the web that you can actually get global model forecast mean height/wind fields from mean LAYERs - say 850-500MB or 850-300MB, etc.

2. "Past performance does not insure future results". You've seen the disclaimer in investment ads, now you'll see it here. Daily and weekly persistence of the Bermuda ridge has little bearing what will happen in 2 - 6 months down the road, and particularly if you consider that what you will usually be looking at is a 1 or 2-day window inside that 2 - 6 month time frame when a TC will be approaching the whatever the western extent of the ridge happens to be at that time.

So even assuming you have a "monster Bermuda ridge" in place during the bulk of the season, regardless of the strength of that ridge, there will always be breaches, be they transient (troughs in the westerlies) or semi-permanent (the TUTT); deep layer or shallow; and strong or weak. It is the precise timing and strength of these often subtle features that eventually determine whether a system will recurve or continue toward the CONUS/Mexico/Central America/etc. The western extent of the ridge, often times THE pivotal determinant in whether a TC recurves or makes landfall, is continuously in flux. Rarely do we have straight deep layer easterlies here in eastern Florida for 3-5 consecutive days, let alone a week or more.

The same can be said for seasonal analogs - "Past performance does not insure future results". Several meteorological parameters come together to determine seasonal trends in TC formation and landfall potential - as most of you well know, some (e.g. ENSO) are more influential than others. There is variability in each of these parameters, and it would be very rare for all these parameters to come together "just right" for one season to match another. Analogs are rarely identical, and are of much more use in extreme cases, when one or two of the major forecast parameters show a significant deviation form normal. In sum, with few exceptions, no two seasons are that much alike, let alone two consecutive seasons. Show me two that you think were, and I'll show you a boatload of reasons why I think they were not.


(unsolicited lecture)

If I was to give the board some unsolicited advice as far as how to be a "better" or more learned armchair TC watcher, I would start off with these nuggets.

a) Don't look at model prognoses, radar, and remotely sensed data (not only satellite but QS, MI, et. al) to the exclusion of other sources. Look at surface and upper air ANALYSES, look at RAOBs, etc. Often times as a TC gets within 24-36 hours of landfall, RAOBs can be more useful than model data as far as pinpointing a landfall. Example: When Charley was moving NNW over western Cuba on the evening of THU AUG 12, I remarked to a colleague that the 00Z Tampa RAOB was SSW to SW all the way up through the atmosphere, and that it gave me gut feeling that there was no way that the TC would make it as far north as TPA before making landfall.

b) Try and think "3D". I touched on this a couple paragraphs up. When you're looking down at a satellite picture, you're looking through a good 10 miles of vertical depth of troposphere, which is the "space" where weather happens. As you "look down" from above, try and think about what is occurring at the various levels 250MB/35KFT, 500MB/17KFT, 700MB/10KFT, 850MB/4KFT, etc. Then look at analysis and prog charts from these levels - they're out there. Look at the local discussions from the met community (private sector, NHC, NWS FO's) to see what they are analyzing.

c) "All convective masses in the tropics are not 'tropical waves' ". My best scientific guesstimate is that you will see no less than eleventy billion convective blowups over the Atlantic this season. Look and see what is happening in the atmosphere to cause the convection before you assume it's a T-wave. See what kind of vorticity (i.e. spin) if any, is going on at the lower levels. My mantra has always been
"Convection = overrated, vorticity = underrated."

Just my .0000002. Hopefully, my blathering rant has some semblance of coherency.

/unsolicited lecture)
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#360 Postby gatorcane » Thu Apr 06, 2006 4:32 pm

The ridge actually looks stronger and has expanded now. If this was the ridge in August, Loisiana would be wiped off the map


not if there were no hurricanes....
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