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Re: ATL: HARVEY - Hurricane - Discussion

#3581 Postby KC7NEC » Fri Aug 25, 2017 10:57 am

stephen23 wrote:Something else to keep in mind is Texas has had an above average year of rainfall totals. The lakes are full. The rivers are full. We are forecasted to get atleast 2" up here in the DFW area. Lakes will be releasing water and all this water will be headed south as well. Austin forested to get 10" of rain. I used to be a NFIP flood adjuster. I have seen Austin flood on 4" of rain. Entire neighborhoods under water. This water will also being released to head south. The water damage from this storm could be very wide spread across this state. We just can't take that much water after an above average rainfall summer.


That is an interesting perspective as the even lower rain totals up north still could have tremendous impacts :(
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Re: ATL: HARVEY - Hurricane - Discussion

#3582 Postby forecasterjack » Fri Aug 25, 2017 10:57 am

Now gusting into the 40's in Corpus Christi. TS force https://weather.us/observations/nueces/ ... 1500z.html
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Re: ATL: HARVEY - Hurricane - Discussion

#3583 Postby GCANE » Fri Aug 25, 2017 10:57 am

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Mesoscale Discussion 1564
NWS Storm Prediction Center Norman OK
1019 AM CDT Fri Aug 25 2017

Areas affected...Texas Gulf Coast areas northeastward into far
southwestern Louisiana

Concerning...Severe potential...Watch likely

Valid 251519Z - 251815Z

Probability of Watch Issuance...80 percent

SUMMARY...Outer bands of convection associated with Hurricane Harvey
will continue to migrate toward the discussion area through the
afternoon, posing at least an isolated tornado threat. A Tornado
Watch may be needed at some point this afternoon.

DISCUSSION...Several bands of convection are migrating
west-northwestward toward the Texas Gulf Coast currently. One well
defined band located from near BPT southeastward to Louisiana
coastal waters should impact areas of southeast Texas over the next
several hours, although the tornado threat with this activity should
remain relatively low into the afternoon hours until kinematic
profiles increase attendant to the approaching Harvey. Another band
of convection over coastal waters southeast of PRX is also fairly
well defined, with a couple of mid-level mesocyclones noted via
WSR-88D imagery in individual cells with that band. Additionally,
more isolated convection was located outside of these bands over
open coastal waters, and these storms will also migrate
northwestward toward the discussion area throughout the afternoon
and into the evening hours.

Over time, as the circulation of Harvey approaches the coast,
low-level flow across the discussion area will veer to
easterly/southeasterly and kinematic fields will strengthen further,
resulting in a more appreciable tornado threat as a more unstable
airmass (1000-2000 J/kg MUCAPE) over coastal waters advances inland.
Pockets of surface insolation may also foster destabilization with
time.

While a tornado watch issuance is not immediately likely, one may be
needed over time as Harvey approaches land areas - more likely
during the afternoon hours.

..Cook/Darrow.. 08/25/2017
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Re: ATL: HARVEY - Hurricane - Discussion

#3584 Postby cycloneye » Fri Aug 25, 2017 10:58 am

Hurricane Harvey Tropical Cyclone Update
NWS National Hurricane Center Miami FL AL092017
1100 AM CDT Fri Aug 25 2017

...11 AM CDT POSITION ESTIMATE...
...TROPICAL STORM CONDITIONS BEGINNING TO SPREAD ONSHORE...

A wind gust to 48 mph was recently reported at Corpus Christi Naval
Air Station, and a wind gust to 39 mph was recently observed near
Port Aransas.

NOAA tide gauges near Corpus Christi and Port Aransas indicate
storm surge inundation of 1 to 2 ft is already occurring.


SUMMARY OF 1100 AM CDT...1600 UTC...INFORMATION
----------------------------------------------
LOCATION...26.8N 96.2W
ABOUT 100 MI...165 KM SE OF CORPUS CHRISTI TEXAS
ABOUT 110 MI...180 KM S OF PORT OCONNOR TEXAS
MAXIMUM SUSTAINED WINDS...110 MPH...175 KM/H
PRESENT MOVEMENT...NW OR 315 DEGREES AT 10 MPH...17 KM/H
MINIMUM CENTRAL PRESSURE...947 MB...27.97 INCHES

$$
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Re: ATL: HARVEY: Observations,Web Cams, Local NWS Statements Texas / Louisiana

#3585 Postby SouthFLTropics » Fri Aug 25, 2017 10:58 am

Live webcam from Marina in downtown Corpus Christi.

http://www.citynet.cc/customer-service- ... bcam/index
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Re: ATL: HARVEY - Hurricane - Discussion

#3586 Postby forecasterjack » Fri Aug 25, 2017 10:59 am

mpic wrote:Haven't read back this morning, so this could be a repeat. Houston news is saying there is a possibility of it going back into the Gulf and coming into Houston. Any truth to that?


Some model data (such as the ECMWF) does show that. Very sensitive steering pattern, so it's not a given. 12Z runs should have much more information available given all the GH flights in recent days.

Here's how the ECMWF sees it: https://weather.us/model-charts/euro/te ... 0300z.html use the menus to adjust parameters and step through the forecast hours
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Re: ATL: HARVEY - Hurricane - Discussion

#3587 Postby La Breeze » Fri Aug 25, 2017 11:00 am

mpic wrote:Haven't read back this morning, so this could be a repeat. Houston news is saying there is a possibility of it going back into the Gulf and coming into Houston. Any truth to that?

Weather Channel is saying it may go back into the Gulf and come inland to the east of Houston - showing between Houston and Beaumont.
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Re: ATL: HARVEY - Hurricane - Discussion

#3588 Postby Tireman4 » Fri Aug 25, 2017 11:01 am

La Breeze wrote:
mpic wrote:Haven't read back this morning, so this could be a repeat. Houston news is saying there is a possibility of it going back into the Gulf and coming into Houston. Any truth to that?

Weather Channel is saying it may go back into the Gulf and come inland to the east of Houston - showing between Houston and Beaumont.


Wxman 57 alluded to that yesterday on the KHOU Weatherboard.....
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Re: ATL: HARVEY - Hurricane - Discussion

#3589 Postby stephen23 » Fri Aug 25, 2017 11:01 am

KC7NEC wrote:
stephen23 wrote:Something else to keep in mind is Texas has had an above average year of rainfall totals. The lakes are full. The rivers are full. We are forecasted to get atleast 2" up here in the DFW area. Lakes will be releasing water and all this water will be headed south as well. Austin forested to get 10" of rain. I used to be a NFIP flood adjuster. I have seen Austin flood on 4" of rain. Entire neighborhoods under water. This water will also being released to head south. The water damage from this storm could be very wide spread across this state. We just can't take that much water after an above average rainfall summer.


That is an interesting perspective as the even lower rain totals up north still could have tremendous impacts :(


It really could be. There are many lakes up here in which their damns sustained damage a few years back in our major flooding up here. They have no choice but to open the flood Gates wide open when the lakes are full. They can't allow them to go into flood status because of the risk of a damn breech. All of our river up here dump out in the ocean right where this storm is projected to landfall.
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Re: ATL: HARVEY - Hurricane - Discussion

#3590 Postby Aric Dunn » Fri Aug 25, 2017 11:02 am

Looks like a larger eye is starting to clear out on satellite.. the eyewall is becoming very cucular and intense in all but the SE quad. Next recon pass likely to find pressure dropping really fast..
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Re: ATL: HARVEY - Hurricane - Discussion

#3591 Postby TeamPlayersBlue » Fri Aug 25, 2017 11:03 am

Looks like Ike right now as it approaches the coast.
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Re: ATL: HARVEY - Hurricane - Discussion

#3592 Postby BYG Jacob » Fri Aug 25, 2017 11:04 am

Is that the fastest ERC ever?
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#3593 Postby Soonercane » Fri Aug 25, 2017 11:05 am

Is it starting to upwell cooler water?
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Re: ATL: HARVEY - Hurricane - Discussion

#3594 Postby Rail Dawg » Fri Aug 25, 2017 11:06 am

You guys may remember me from last years chasing of Hurricane Matthew from Cape Canaveral to Jacksonville on the A1A.

Had 120mph winds on my nose for hours.

Heading tonight to where Harvey's eye will pass between Victoria and Corpus.

Have done this many many times.

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Re: ATL: HARVEY - Hurricane - Discussion

#3595 Postby Hurrilurker » Fri Aug 25, 2017 11:06 am

mpic wrote:Haven't read back this morning, so this could be a repeat. Houston news is saying there is a possibility of it going back into the Gulf and coming into Houston. Any truth to that?

Yes, it's possible. The NHC forecast right now has it dipping back out and moving up the coast as a tropical storm. From there it could go inland towards Houston or continue on NE. Houston would likely not see a hurricane, but could get a lot of rain. Of course none of this is certain at this point, there's a lot of possibilities with a system that stalls and loops.
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Re: ATL: HARVEY - Hurricane - Discussion

#3596 Postby northjaxpro » Fri Aug 25, 2017 11:10 am

I have often thought the curvature of the Texas coast often aids in the outflow of an approaching cyclone coming in from the east and southeast. Look at the history of intense hurricanes to have impacted the Texas coast.

Well, looking at Harvey on the radar and satellite loops, you can see how the shape (curvature) of the coastline really seems.similar to BOC area I with the coastline curvature on helping cyclones to really spin up. Just my observations.
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Re: ATL: HARVEY - Hurricane - Discussion

#3597 Postby stephen23 » Fri Aug 25, 2017 11:11 am

Soonercane wrote:Is it starting to upwell cooler water?

There is no cooler water to upwell in this area. The warm water runs very deep in this area. Any upwelling just upwells more warm water
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Re: ATL: HARVEY - Hurricane - Discussion

#3598 Postby GCANE » Fri Aug 25, 2017 11:11 am

Rail Dawg wrote:You guys may remember me from last years chasing of Hurricane Matthew from Cape Canaveral to Jacksonville on the A1A.

Had 120mph winds on my nose for hours.

Heading tonight to where Harvey's eye will pass between Victoria and Corpus.

Have done this many many times.

I'll give live reports to Storm2k again.


Great to see you back Rail Dawg. Stay safe. Looking forward to your reports.
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Re: ATL: HARVEY - Hurricane - Discussion

#3599 Postby Blown Away » Fri Aug 25, 2017 11:12 am

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Harvey not looking as good on IR as earlier... JMHO
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Re: ATL: HARVEY - Hurricane - Discussion

#3600 Postby ncbird » Fri Aug 25, 2017 11:13 am

stephen23 wrote:
KC7NEC wrote:
stephen23 wrote:Something else to keep in mind is Texas has had an above average year of rainfall totals. The lakes are full. The rivers are full. We are forecasted to get atleast 2" up here in the DFW area. Lakes will be releasing water and all this water will be headed south as well. Austin forested to get 10" of rain. I used to be a NFIP flood adjuster. I have seen Austin flood on 4" of rain. Entire neighborhoods under water. This water will also being released to head south. The water damage from this storm could be very wide spread across this state. We just can't take that much water after an above average rainfall summer.


That is an interesting perspective as the even lower rain totals up north still could have tremendous impacts :(


It really could be. There are many lakes up here in which their damns sustained damage a few years back in our major flooding up here. They have no choice but to open the flood Gates wide open when the lakes are full. They can't allow them to go into flood status because of the risk of a damn breech. All of our river up here dump out in the ocean right where this storm is projected to landfall.


Learn NC has some great information about flooding on its Hurricane Floyd section. http://www.learnnc.org/lp/editions/nchist-recent/6249
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