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#41 Postby x-y-no » Fri Aug 26, 2005 3:08 pm

fci wrote:
Never had a Hurricane Watch for the Keys and they did get Hurricane conditions (or really close to them).


No, the Keys did not have sustained hurricane winds. A TS warning was exactly the appropriate level for the conditions they eventually got.

Dade was at the bottom of the Hurricane Warning area and even local Mets predicted the "weaker south side" of the storm for their area.


Do I need to quote the official definition of a hurricane warning? There's nothing in there about it meaning any less simply because it's the "bottom" of the warning area.

It's not the fault of the NHC if local mets got it wrong.

They had it coming in at about 2 AM Saturday and it came in 8 hours earlier.


Now there's the one point on which I might somewhat agree in a criticism of the NHC performance on this storm. They were slow in recognizing that the forecast slowdown wasn't happening.

But the impacted area was under warning in good time, and bottom line, that's what matters.

NEVER publicly forecasted the turn to the SW. Mentioned in discussions which only weather-nuts like us read.


So you wanted them to jump on the GFDL idea, ignoring all the other guidance? What if that outlier had been wrong, and the other guidance right? Then, according to you, they would have "blown it" in the opposite direction?

Or is it that you want them to include all the info in the discussion into the public advisory? That would just introduce mass confusion, IMO.

I still believe that they blew it
Hey, it's my opinion and yours is different and is definitely respected by me but not agreed to.


Of course you're free to have your opinion, but in my opinion you're just dead wrong on this.
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#42 Postby SouthFLTropics » Fri Aug 26, 2005 3:09 pm

With regards to models needing good data to be able to perform I was wondering if anyone has taken into consideration whether or not the aborted recon flight on Wednesday night played a part in them missing the SW motion? I agree that they hinted at the southwest motion (GFDL) in previous discussions but like an earlier poster said only us weather nuts read those. The NHC does an excellent job 95% of the time. Sometimes though it is beyond their control. I can think of three specific instances that come to mind. Katrina 2005, Irene 1999, and Mitch 1998. Unfortunately when these things happen it sometimes cost people their lives. But people also need to pay attention to the cone of error and realize that this is not an exact science. If you are in the cone, be ready. For that matter if you live in a hurricane prone area you should be ready on June 1. Did the NHC blow this forecast a bit, probably. Do they deserve to get flamed for it. I don't think so. Lets give the NHC some credit. I wouldn't want to deal with the pressure those guys are under. I can't understand why Avila would forecast that much weakening last night either but maybe they had some data that we didn't have. Maybe the intensity models didn't take into account that the Everglades are mostly water. Who knows. But whatever the case may be all in all they do a good job. I'll get off of my soapbox now!

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