jb and possible hurricane tammy

[djtil]

i think most here agree that discussing JB isnt discussing the weather......

its impossible for a legit forecaster to ALWAYS take the reasonable forecast and tack on a category and move the path over to a populated area.....coupled with charging for his "forecasts" it reeks of a con and i think any thread hyping JBs "forecasts" should be called out.

[Downdraft]

If JB was a poster on here he'd get torn to shreds.

[skysummit]

If JB was a poster on here he'd get torn to shreds.

LOL....I wonder if he lurks here.

[artist]

would not surprise me - think I have seen accuweather post here before. (that was their call name)

[vacanechaser]

I love it.. You people are just pissed that he is part of the accuweather crap and the bill sent before the house.. Before that happened, there would be posts after post on here about what he had to say about a storm and most would agree with him either entirely or in part.. Yes he loves to talk things up more than they really are... I weed out the hype he talks most days, and find the stuff that matters and try to learn from that.. Have learned more from his column than just about anywhere...

I dont like the way he bashes the NHC either.. However he has toned that down and has talked about what a great job they did with dennis, rita and katrina this season... Just seems funny to me how he was saying it would come up the coast to start and not into the gulf, where the nhc was saying gulf across florida, and most here were talking about it getting into the gulf and how it move and how strong it could get.. well, its a far cry from the gulf tonight..

Jesse V. Bass III
http://www.vastormphoto.com
Hurricane Intercept Research Team

[jkt21787]

Actually, my first memory of JB, before I even knew anything about him, came after reading a post on another board, about 5 years ago. He was talking about a severe weather outbreak in my area that would rival the Superoutbreak of 1974 (100+ tornadoes in 24 hours, including many F-5s). I believed him. It of course didn't happen.

So, before I knew anything about Accuweather, JB, or their position on the NWS and WELL before the bill ever came up, I had made up my mind about how he forecasts and why I SHOULDN'T trust him for a reliable forecast. My opinions have just continued to be proven in the years following that one single instance.

[audioslave8]

I love it.. You people are just pissed that he is part of the accuweather crap and the bill sent before the house.. Before that happened, there would be posts after post on here about what he had to say about a storm and most would agree with him either entirely or in part.. Yes he loves to talk things up more than they really are... I weed out the hype he talks most days, and find the stuff that matters and try to learn from that.. Have learned more from his column than just about anywhere...

I dont like the way he bashes the NHC either.. However he has toned that down and has talked about what a great job they did with dennis, rita and katrina this season... Just seems funny to me how he was saying it would come up the coast to start and not into the gulf, where the nhc was saying gulf across florida, and most here were talking about it getting into the gulf and how it move and how strong it could get.. well, its a far cry from the gulf tonight..

Jesse V. Bass III
http://www.vastormphoto.com
Hurricane Intercept Research Team

Awesome quote Jesse!!! You and Mark Sudduth rock. Ive been enjoying watching you both over the past couple of years. In my opinion you both know more on here than anybody. I can't stand the bashing that goes on here towards the NHC. We all know they have done an outstanding job with the resources they have. The NHC needs more funding not more cutting. They have nailed alot of tracks over the the past several years.

[vacanechaser]

I love it.. You people are just pissed that he is part of the accuweather crap and the bill sent before the house.. Before that happened, there would be posts after post on here about what he had to say about a storm and most would agree with him either entirely or in part.. Yes he loves to talk things up more than they really are... I weed out the hype he talks most days, and find the stuff that matters and try to learn from that.. Have learned more from his column than just about anywhere...

I dont like the way he bashes the NHC either.. However he has toned that down and has talked about what a great job they did with dennis, rita and katrina this season... Just seems funny to me how he was saying it would come up the coast to start and not into the gulf, where the nhc was saying gulf across florida, and most here were talking about it getting into the gulf and how it move and how strong it could get.. well, its a far cry from the gulf tonight..

Jesse V. Bass III
http://www.vastormphoto.com
Hurricane Intercept Research Team

Awesome quote Jesse!!! You and Mark Sudduth rock. Ive been enjoying watching you both over the past couple of years. In my opinion you both know more on here than anybody. I can't stand the bashing that goes on here towards the NHC. We all know they have done an outstanding job with the resources they have. The NHC needs more funding not more cutting. They have nailed alot of tracks over the the past several years.

Thanx for the kind words... But I dont claim to know more than anyone here or else where.. IMO, Mike Watkins is the go to man here..

However, everyone hates when he bashes the NHC, yet they continue to bash him over other things.. I try to be fair and straight down th middle where they are both concerned... The last poster stated

Actually, my first memory of JB, before I even knew anything about him, came after reading a post on another board, about 5 years ago. He was talking about a severe weather outbreak in my area that would rival the Superoutbreak of 1974 (100+ tornadoes in 24 hours, including many F-5s). I believed him. It of course didn't happen.

but has that not happened in your local area and local mets?? Of course it has.. Yet I dont hear anyone saying they are idiots or on crack.. He is smart enough to have the job he does and keep his job.. I have seen several of the "pro mets" on this board blow a forecast much worse and more often than JB does and yet, people continue to flock to them and wait for every post... Not to say they are idiots, or on crack, but the fact of the matter is, they blew it, period.. And believe me, they are much more edumacated , than me in the field.. So I have the utmost respect for them and what they do... But the hype or not thing goes both ways.. here in 1998, a local met said, go to bed, dont worry about Bonnie in southeast Va. some heavy rains, a little wind but nothing to be concerned with.. However, Joe was saying just how bad it could get here as I listened to him on the radio and he was right.. There were other local mets here calling for the head of the other met that said nothing to be concerned with... I think I would rather hear the full list of things to be concerned with and what is possible, rather than the move along nothing to see here attitude... JMHO...

Certainly not taking up for him.. He has done plenty that I dislike, but I try to see the point he is making and the NHC forecast, and sort of go down the middle... Its funny, he had pressures lower for Katrina and Rita than the NHC ever did in their forecats.. But that was just "luck" I guess..


Jesse V. Bass III
http://www.vastormphoto.com
Hurricane Intercept Research Team

[jkt21787]

but has that not happened in your local area and local mets?? Of course it has.. Yet I dont hear anyone saying they are idiots or on crack.. He is smart enough to have the job he does and keep his job.. I have seen several of the "pro mets" on this board blow a forecast much worse and more often than JB does and yet, people continue to flock to them and wait for every post... Not to say they are idiots, or on crack, but the fact of the matter is, they blew it, period.. And believe me, they are much more edumacated , than me in the field.. So I have the utmost respect for them and what they do... But the hype or not thing goes both ways.. here in 1998, a local met said, go to bed, dont worry about Bonnie in southeast Va. some heavy rains, a little wind but nothing to be concerned with.. However, Joe was saying just how bad it could get here as I listened to him on the radio and he was right.. There were other local mets here calling for the head of the other met that said nothing to be concerned with... I think I would rather hear the full list of things to be concerned with and what is possible, rather than the move along nothing to see here attitude... JMHO...

Certainly not taking up for him.. He has done plenty that I dislike, but I try to see the point he is making and the NHC forecast, and sort of go down the middle... Its funny, he had pressures lower for Katrina and Rita than the NHC ever did in their forecats.. But that was just "luck" I guess..

Actually, No. The NWS here has never called for the repeat of the worst tornado outbreak in U.S. History, and the local mets here are EXTREMELY conservative, you can't even get them to forecast severe weather when the setup is very obvious even to biggest amatuer out there.

Have they blown forecasts in other ways like JB? Absolutely. Who doesn't. But JB lives on hype. Still, two of his hype forecasts came true to which I give him due credit, yes. However, I have seen him and Accuweather make many more forecasts which have NOT come true, the verification numbers say he (and they) fall well behnind many other entities out there including the NWS.

Everybody makes busts, but they don't compare to the busts (due to extreme hype) that comes from JB and many of those at accuweather. Also, don't get me wrong, there are several people at Accuweather who are great forecasters and I have very high respect for as well.

[Downdraft]

I love it.. You people are just pissed that he is part of the accuweather crap and the bill sent before the house.. Before that happened, there would be posts after post on here about what he had to say about a storm and most would agree with him either entirely or in part.. Yes he loves to talk things up more than they really are... I weed out the hype he talks most days, and find the stuff that matters and try to learn from that.. Have learned more from his column than just about anywhere...

I dont like the way he bashes the NHC either.. However he has toned that down and has talked about what a great job they did with dennis, rita and katrina this season... Just seems funny to me how he was saying it would come up the coast to start and not into the gulf, where the nhc was saying gulf across florida, and most here were talking about it getting into the gulf and how it move and how strong it could get.. well, its a far cry from the gulf tonight..

Jesse V. Bass III
http://www.vastormphoto.com
Hurricane Intercept Research Team

Awesome quote Jesse!!! You and Mark Sudduth rock. Ive been enjoying watching you both over the past couple of years. In my opinion you both know more on here than anybody. I can't stand the bashing that goes on here towards the NHC. We all know they have done an outstanding job with the resources they have. The NHC needs more funding not more cutting. They have nailed alot of tracks over the the past several years.

Thanx for the kind words... But I dont claim to know more than anyone here or else where.. IMO, Mike Watkins is the go to man here..

However, everyone hates when he bashes the NHC, yet they continue to bash him over other things.. I try to be fair and straight down th middle where they are both concerned... The last poster stated

Actually, my first memory of JB, before I even knew anything about him, came after reading a post on another board, about 5 years ago. He was talking about a severe weather outbreak in my area that would rival the Superoutbreak of 1974 (100+ tornadoes in 24 hours, including many F-5s). I believed him. It of course didn't happen.

but has that not happened in your local area and local mets?? Of course it has.. Yet I dont hear anyone saying they are idiots or on crack.. He is smart enough to have the job he does and keep his job.. I have seen several of the "pro mets" on this board blow a forecast much worse and more often than JB does and yet, people continue to flock to them and wait for every post... Not to say they are idiots, or on crack, but the fact of the matter is, they blew it, period.. And believe me, they are much more edumacated , than me in the field.. So I have the utmost respect for them and what they do... But the hype or not thing goes both ways.. here in 1998, a local met said, go to bed, dont worry about Bonnie in southeast Va. some heavy rains, a little wind but nothing to be concerned with.. However, Joe was saying just how bad it could get here as I listened to him on the radio and he was right.. There were other local mets here calling for the head of the other met that said nothing to be concerned with... I think I would rather hear the full list of things to be concerned with and what is possible, rather than the move along nothing to see here attitude... JMHO...

Certainly not taking up for him.. He has done plenty that I dislike, but I try to see the point he is making and the NHC forecast, and sort of go down the middle... Its funny, he had pressures lower for Katrina and Rita than the NHC ever did in their forecats.. But that was just "luck" I guess..


Jesse V. Bass III
http://www.vastormphoto.com
Hurricane Intercept Research Team

Your own post Jesse is the main reason people dislike JB. I believe you said "yes he likes to talk things up more than they really are." Please tell me if the study of weather is a science Jesse? If it is then why would a meterologist want to talk things up more than they really are? What is the motive for speaking from a position of authority when what your really saying is more conjecture than science. How can anyone including you possibly defend someone that prefers hype to science? I think when it comes to the science of storms and those that have some bearing on how they may or may not affect people's lives the facts, the science, should speak for itself, don't you?

[SkeetoBite]

A little humor before someone gets their candle lit and this thread gets locked...

[Downdraft]

Thanks Skeetobite!!!!!

A picture is worth a thousand words and while making the point it had me rolling on the floor laughing. If ever a photo summed up JB and Accuweather in general you managed to find the perfect one. By the way that's not me saying that it's my magic clamshell. Since it's a clam it's an expert on ocean weather. When it's wrong it tastes great with horseradish sauce.

[aerojad]

That was brilliant, skeetobite.

[MWatkins]

A little humor before someone gets their candle lit and this thread gets locked...

I have never seen a Spongebob and JB reference mixed together as well as this one.

Classic.

MW

[skysummit]

A little humor before someone gets their candle lit and this thread gets locked...

I have never seen a Spongebob and JB reference mixed together as well as this one.

Classic.

MW

Ha HAAAH!!!! LOL

[bvigal]

Ha, ha, very funny picture!!!

I feel Mr. B is probably no different than a few others in his profession. Like the population in general, most professionals are responsible, hard working, and endeavor to do their jobs with the utmost regard for their clientele. But every now and then along comes the odd individual who is puffed up with arrogance and continually putting others down. All of us have probably had the experience of an egotistical, gruff physician who resents any question of his authority, like the request for a second opinion, and has the bedside manner of Atilla the Hun! Every once in a while one might encounter someone in law enforcement whose primary satisfaction in the job seems to be wielding power over the peons of the population. One might occassionally find the odd attorney who.... well, let me just not use that profession as an example!! (just kidding).

My feelings about NOAA, NWS, NHC, TAFB, etc. is in a proprietary vein. As they work for the government, that makes me their employer. While many government workers may have gained the reputation of clocking in and out to the minute, etc., I know these guys put in long hours on salary which affords them no extra income, and get paid much less than their skills would earn them in the private sector. So how does one explain that? Answer: they care about you and I, the Public.

If Mr B has “toned down” his criticism of NHC, that’s great. But, I’d be willing to bet it has more to do with orders from management due to objecting letters and potential loss of revenue, than any change of heart on his part. Undoubtedly the “suits” at AW are equally to blame, and the known fact that they have a money stake in discrediting NHC makes the criticism especially insideous. Thus, upon really contemplating the likely conversations there at upper-level meetings the last 6 months, one must conclude a corporate policy that fairly turns the stomach. Because viewership is what puts money into their pocket, to watch, listen, quote, or indeed give any credence to this man, is indirectly supporting that reprehensible corporate policy.