No-name storms: Left out of the database.

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#41 Postby Ptarmigan » Sun Nov 18, 2007 3:59 pm

Cyclone1 wrote:"I can't think of any storm that large."

That's because, bascially, there isn't one.


It is truly one of a kind storm. It was a true superstorm.
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Re: No-name storms: Left out of the database.

#42 Postby Tampa Bay Hurricane » Sun Nov 18, 2007 4:27 pm

Florida experienced winds in excess of 100 mph A Category 2 Hurricane
Equivalent:

http://ww2010.atmos.uiuc.edu/(Gh)/arch/cases/930312/hist.rxml


March 1993:
On March 12, 1993, a newly formed cyclone moved into a low level baroclinic zone already in place over the Gulf of Mexico and began to rapidly intensify. The deepening cyclone turned northeastward (Fig 1.1) and the center of low pressure made landfall (Fig 1.2) in northwestern Florida during the early hours of March 13. An intense squall line (Fig 1.3) preceding a rapidly moving cold front raced across Florida with torrential downpours, wind gusts in excess of 40 m/s, 3-4 meter storm surges and 11 confirmed tornado touchdowns (Radar Loop (QT-800K)).


Recorded Wind Gusts
Mount Washington, NH 144 MPH
Franklin County, FL 110 MPH
Dry Tortugas, FL 109 MPH
Flattop Mountain, NC 101 MPH
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Re: No-name storms: Left out of the database.

#43 Postby Jam151 » Sun Nov 18, 2007 6:47 pm

September 5, 2002 Newfoundland
ftp://eclipse.ncdc.noaa.gov/pub/isccp/b ... E-8-IR.jpg

A lot of these really do have data suggesting they were TSs or STSs, per Gary Padgett's reports.
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#44 Postby Cyclone1 » Sun Nov 18, 2007 8:39 pm

October 7, 2006 - Broad low offshore New England. 90L.INVEST for a while, had subtropical characteristics.
ftp://eclipse.ncdc.noaa.gov/pub/isccp/b1/.D2790P/images/2006/280/Img-2006-10-07-12-GOE-12-IR.jpg

Jam's got the right idea. Imageshack was getting old. Links are fine.

This particular system likely wasn't subtropical, but it's an impressive, decently large low, which the NHC expected to become a subtropical storm briefly.

On an interesting, but seperate note, the swirl over South Carolina became a small, but strong nor'easter.
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Re: No-name storms: Left out of the database.

#45 Postby brunota2003 » Mon Nov 19, 2007 12:58 am

Jam151 wrote:Yeah those are interesting cases. Some others I know of are

November 2, 2006 Far North Pacific (!!!)
ftp://eclipse.ncdc.noaa.gov/pub/isccp/b ... -11-IR.jpg

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I'm probably forgetting others.

(edited to add October 3, 2000)

Dang! That has an eye even. Looks like the Unnamed Hurricane of 1991 The one that formed from Grace's Remnants and the decaying Nor' Easter.
http://www.ncdc.noaa.gov/oa/satellite/s ... med91.html

EDIT: To change 1992 to 1991 and to add the link
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Re: No-name storms: Left out of the database.

#46 Postby HalloweenGale » Mon Nov 19, 2007 3:43 pm

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Jam151 wrote:June 26, 2006 New Jersey
ftp://eclipse.ncdc.noaa.gov/pub/isccp/b ... -12-IR.jpg


I remember this one. It was an invest that has an STDS issued for it but made landfall in north carolina before it could become a depression, it got absorbed by a frontal system and was part of a huge flood event in this area.


That was the infamous 91L. Remember that one. Todd Gross was talking about how it clearly was a tropical depression, or even a moderate TS.
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Re: No-name storms: Left out of the database.

#47 Postby HurricaneRobert » Mon Nov 19, 2007 4:15 pm

NASA has a better picture of the thing from above:
http://earthobservatory.nasa.gov/Natura ... g_id=13951
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Re: No-name storms: Left out of the database.

#48 Postby WindRunner » Mon Nov 19, 2007 5:47 pm

HurricaneRobert wrote:NASA has a better picture of the thing from above:
http://earthobservatory.nasa.gov/Natura ... g_id=13951


Except that article makes the mistake of calling it subtropical and then saying that subtropical is the same thing as a hybrid . . . that (at least operationally) was called/appeared hybrid. I wouldn't want to say what it was for sure without doing some brief looking into it, but it was nonetheless an interesting storm.
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#49 Postby Squarethecircle » Mon Nov 19, 2007 5:54 pm

WindRunner wrote:
HurricaneRobert wrote:NASA has a better picture of the thing from above:
http://earthobservatory.nasa.gov/Natura ... g_id=13951


Except that article makes the mistake of calling it subtropical and then saying that subtropical is the same thing as a hybrid . . . that (at least operationally) was called/appeared hybrid. I wouldn't want to say what it was for sure without doing some brief looking into it, but it was nonetheless an interesting storm.

If this is sub, then Vince should be as well.
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Re: No-name storms: Left out of the database.

#50 Postby Cyclone1 » Mon Nov 19, 2007 6:13 pm

May 12, 1992
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Interesting low, likely extratropical, but still worth posting.
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Re: No-name storms: Left out of the database.

#51 Postby Squarethecircle » Mon Nov 19, 2007 6:20 pm

:uarrow: Looks like it's got very tight convection; if it were in the waters in September this year, I would definitely say it would have a chance at being tropical, however, it does not look tropical in the picture.
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#52 Postby Derek Ortt » Mon Nov 19, 2007 8:10 pm

the May 1992 system was a clear hurricane.

1992 was not one of the better years for the official classifications. Andrew may have been Danielle (Andrew in reality may have been a strong TS/weak cane that hit Virginia in January... a low had a distinct warm core with the highest winds not too far from the center... probably better defined than the classified Danielle)
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#53 Postby Ptarmigan » Mon Nov 19, 2007 8:13 pm

Derek Ortt wrote:the May 1992 system was a clear hurricane.

1992 was not one of the better years for the official classifications. Andrew may have been Danielle (Andrew in reality may have been a strong TS/weak cane that hit Virginia in January... a low had a distinct warm core with the highest winds not too far from the center... probably better defined than the classified Danielle)


If that's the case, assuming Danielle is Andrew, 1992 would be a more active year. It would be more normal year, 10 storms.
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#54 Postby Cyclone1 » Mon Nov 19, 2007 8:25 pm

3 preseason storms in 1992, man I wish Hurdat would hurry up!
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#55 Postby WindRunner » Mon Nov 19, 2007 8:43 pm

Cyclone1 wrote:3 preseason storms in 1992, man I wish Hurdat would hurry up!


Trust me Cyclone, people are workinig at it . . . the real question is when the committee will meet again to approve a lot of the reanalyses.
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Re: No-name storms: Left out of the database.

#56 Postby Cyclone1 » Mon Nov 19, 2007 8:51 pm

Yeah... The wait is just agonizing.

Anyway, two October 1997 East Atlantic hurricanes.

October 6, 1997
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October 26, 1997

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1997 seems a little more interesting than just Danny and Erika now, eh?
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Re: No-name storms: Left out of the database.

#57 Postby Ptarmigan » Mon Nov 19, 2007 8:57 pm

Cyclone1 wrote:Yeah... The wait is just agonizing.

Anyway, two October 1997 East Atlantic hurricanes.

October 6, 1997
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October 26, 1997

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1997 seems a little more interesting than just Danny and Erika now, eh?


The one on top looks like a hurricane, a small one. If they are, than 1997 was more active than previously thought.
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Re: No-name storms: Left out of the database.

#58 Postby Jam151 » Mon Nov 19, 2007 9:13 pm

Derek, which May 1992 storm are you referring to, the one on May 11-13 or the one on May 15-17? Both looked subtropical at best, probably extratropical, on the GIBBS images.
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#59 Postby Derek Ortt » Mon Nov 19, 2007 9:21 pm

This unnamed May hurricane from 1992

http://www.camex4.com/photo0016.html
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Re: No-name storms: Left out of the database.

#60 Postby Jam151 » Mon Nov 19, 2007 9:31 pm

I'm not sure that's a photo of the system in question. On the global satellite imagery it definitely doesn't look like that image.

ftp://eclipse.ncdc.noaa.gov/pub/isccp/b ... E-7-IR.jpg
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