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Re: Texas Winter 2017-2018

#4121 Postby Brent » Fri Dec 29, 2017 6:08 pm

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utweather wrote:I thought the panhandle: Oklahoma City and Amarillo would have snow on the ground by now?? Have they gotten any snow this season yet?


Amarillo has only seen a trace of snowfall this season. Oklahoma City has 0.1". Houston, Austin, San Antonio have all seen more


Amarillo is in the midst of a terrible drought. They have not had measurable precipitation in 77 days.


Never thought I'd see the day Houston and Corpus Christi has more snow than Amarillo. I mean Dallas is one thing but Amarillo?
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Re: Texas Winter 2017-2018

#4122 Postby South Texas Storms » Fri Dec 29, 2017 6:08 pm

:uarrow: Wow that's terrible. I didn't realize it's been that long. Hopefully they can get some precip soon.
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Re: Texas Winter 2017-2018

#4123 Postby Portastorm » Fri Dec 29, 2017 6:11 pm

As we move into the New Year's Eve and New Year's Day period and look for any nasty weather, don't forget to check out Texas Tech's WRF model. It's not perfect but I think it's pretty solid and I know that our local NWS office uses it as one of their model tools. Here's a link:

http://www.atmo.ttu.edu/bancell/real_time_WRF/ttuwrfhome.php
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Re: Texas Winter 2017-2018

#4124 Postby Cpv17 » Fri Dec 29, 2017 6:12 pm

South Texas Storms wrote::uarrow: Wow that's terrible. I didn't realize it's been that long. Hopefully they can get some precip soon.


If we had a snowpack up there and some in Oklahoma boy this would really be some serious cold coming.
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Re: Texas Winter 2017-2018

#4125 Postby Texas Snowman » Fri Dec 29, 2017 7:16 pm

:uarrow: Well, significant winter weather in SE and S Texas (Houston and Corpus) is indeed rare, but not unprecedented.

In addition to the Great Christmas Eve snowstorm in 2004, there was also the Great Valentine's Day snowstorm in Houston and Galveston back in 1895.

That latter event is the one that dumped 20 inches of snow.
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Re: Texas Winter 2017-2018

#4126 Postby Ntxw » Fri Dec 29, 2017 7:19 pm

Both DFW and Austin got to 49 today just shy of 50 and never cleared out. I don't think I remember what the sun even looks like? I wonder if persistent clouds could hinder maximum radiational cooling during the coming outbreak from the STJ. Tuesday morning with HP above likely is cloudless however, except for...the disturbance which will probably bring clouds..
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Re: Texas Winter 2017-2018

#4127 Postby Texas Snowman » Fri Dec 29, 2017 7:25 pm

And then there is the infamous Great Christmas Freeze of December 1983, the one that lasted two weeks and went all the way into the Gulf Coastal region and Deep South Texas.

Here is my "annual" posting about this, but we do have some new posters this year. :D

:froze: :cold: :froze:

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Interesting story in the Outdoors section of the Houston Chronicle about the effects of the Dec. 1983 freeze:

http://www.chron.com/sports/outdoors/article/Effects-lessons-of-1983-freeze-evident-on-Texas-5092926.php

Effects, lessons of 1983 freeze evident on Texas ecosystem

By Shannon Tompkins | December 25, 2013

Ed Hegen still shivers at the memory of the frigid morning 30 years ago this week when the Rockport-based coastal fisheries biologist boarded commercial fisherman Bucky Vannoy's skiff at Flour Bluff and they beat their way across miles of a leaden Upper Laguna Madre to Baffin Bay.

"I've never been so cold in my life," said Hegen, lower coast regional director for Texas Parks and Wildlife Department's coastal fisheries division, recalling his experiences that frozen day during the final week of 1983. "It was July before I thawed out."

Effects of the Christmas 1983 Freeze on Texas' coastal fisheries and fisheries management lasted much longer; some are still felt on this 30th anniversary of what stands as the longest, most severe stretch of sub-freezing cold to grip the Texas coast during the 20th century and the largest, scientifically documented, single-event fish kill that resulted.

"The '83 freeze played a big role in how we focused efforts on (coastal fisheries) monitoring, regulations and enhancement going forward. It changed the way we looked at things and how we planned," Gene McCarty, retired Texas Parks and Wildlife Department deputy director and former director of the agency's coastal fisheries division, said of the record-setting weather that saw air temperature along the coast fall into the teens and remain below freezing for five days to obliterate about 20 million coastal finfish and other marine life and leave fisheries managers and anglers facing daunting challenges.

It began when a pool of Arctic air pushed over the Texas coast the afternoon of Dec. 21, plunging air temperature from the 50s to the 30s in little more than an hour. In Houston, the temperature dropped below freezing the next afternoon and remained there for five days, setting a record for longest period of below-freezing temperatures in the city. Houston's temperature fell below freezing for 10 consecutive nights, bottoming out at 13 degrees on Christmas morning.

It was equally frigid on the coast - 15 degrees in Palacios, 14 degrees in Galveston and Corpus Christi, 19 degrees in McAllen. Air temperature remained below freezing for 77 hours in Port Arthur. Saltwater froze; on Trinity Bay, a sheet of ice 4 inches thick extended almost 500 yards from shore, and a similarly thick layer created a 100-yard band around the edges of the Upper Laguna Madre.

"You couldn't get a boat out in the bay for the first few days because the ice was so thick," recalled Lynn Benefield, who, in 1983, headed coastal fisheries' Galveston Bay field station. "When we finally did get out, the thing that sticks in my mind is seeing the back half of East (Galveston) Bay covered in slush ice from shore to shore. I'll never forget that."

The bitter, lingering cold was unlike anything Hegen, McCarty, Benefield or anyone else had experienced on the Texas coast, where freezes, while not uncommon, are typically short-lived. The most severe cold weather before the '83 freeze had been in January 1951, and it had been almost a century - February 1899 - since Texas had seen such deep, abiding cold along the coast.

Drifts of dead fish

But the below-freezing air temperature wasn't the only thing that chilled Hegen on his recognizance on the Upper Laguna Madre. What he witnessed as he and Vannoy explored the shallow bay system with the earned reputation as home of the best-quality speckled trout fisheries in the state sent shudders down his spine.

"It looked like snow drifts along the shorelines - big piles of white, 15-20 yards wide," Hegen said.

But it wasn't snow; it was ice … and dead fish. Thousands of dead fish.

"There were long windrows of dead fish - every kind of fish - stacked like cordwood," Hegen said. "The number and the size of the sow speckled trout we saw made your jaw just drop. There were thousands of them, dead on the shoreline. Huge trout, some I guessed were bigger than the state record."

And that was just the tip of the iceberg.

"The water was so clear - I've never seen it so clear - that you could see the bottom of the bay and all these shadows. It was trout carcasses; the bay bottom was covered with them," Hegen recalled.

It was the same on all Texas bays - dead fish by the millions.

Inshore fish and other marine organisms living in Texas bays evolved to live in the region's temperate, almost tropical environment. When water temperature drops below about 45 degrees and remains there for a day or so, fish such as speckled trout, redfish, black drum, sheepshead and all manner or smaller forage fish begin seeing their cold-blooded metabolisms slow to levels too low to keep them alive. They freeze to death.

Unprecedented issues

During the '83 freeze, water temperature in Texas bays dropped to as low as 28 degrees and remained below 40 degrees for seven consecutive days.

The freeze presented unprecedented challenges and opportunities for a Texas coastal fisheries division that had only recently began transforming from a reactive, caretaker approach toward marine fisheries management to a proactive philosophy that used science and technology to monitor fisheries and develop long-term management decisions.

Part of that change had begun in the mid-1970s with development of standardized collection of data on fish populations and angler harvest in all Texas bays, giving fisheries managers ways to track trends in those fisheries. And when the '83 freeze hit, Texas coastal fisheries staff mobilized to swarm the bays, systematically collecting as much information as they could on the effects.

"A lot of us worked seven days a week, 15 hours a day for two weeks or more," Hegen said.

"I spent two weeks counting dead stuff," said Paul Hammerschmidt, regulations coordinator for TPWD's coastal fisheries division who, in 1983, was a young fisheries biologist stationed on mid-coast. "There was a lot to count. The magnitude and diversity of the kill is what really stuck with me."

The final estimate was at least 20 million marine creatures perished, including at least 14 million finfish.

Fisheries monitoring programs also provided insight into how many fish survived. It wasn't many.

In the spring of 1983, TPWD coastal fisheries crews conducting standardized, 10-week gill net sampling in the Lower Laguna Madre caught an average of 0.7 speckled trout per hour. In spring of 1984, the catch rate was 0.1 trout per hour. Fish sampling efforts in all Texas bays saw similar absences of trout and other inshore species.

Fast-tracking recovery

The agency's then-new creel surveys of recreational anglers substantiated what anglers already knew: Fishing success in 1984 was horrible. Hegen remembers it was so difficult to catch speckled trout in 1984 that the coastal fisheries division had to abandon a research project that placed tracking tags in speckled trout caught by rod-and-reel angling.

Facing the gaping hole the freeze left in Texas bays, state fisheries managers looked for ways to give fisheries the best opportunity to rebuild.

"One of the interesting outcomes of the freeze was how it transformed our hatchery program," McCarty said.

The first-of-its-kind John Wilson Marine Fish Hatchery had focused on research and modest production of redfish that were stocked only in mid-coast bays. The freeze kicked the hatchery program into hyperdrive, with redfish production greatly increased and fingerlings stocked into every Texas bay. Speckled trout were integrated into the hatchery program.

To protect remaining fish, the agency imposed much more conservative fishing regulations on commercial and recreational anglers. The speckled trout limit was halved from 20 fish per day to 10, and the minimum length increased from 12 inches to 14 inches. The redfish bag limit was cut from five per day to three.

It took two years before the fishery began showing significant signs of recovery. But it did recover … just in time to be slammed by a pair of killer freezes in 1989 that, combined, killed an estimated 17 million fish.

Recovery from the '89 freeze-caused fish kills came much quicker than in the wake of the '83 freeze, and fisheries managers credit lessons learned and refined after the '83 freeze for accelerating that recovery.

"The 1983 freeze was a real awakening for all of us on the coast," Hegen said. "It was a pivotal event for fisheries managers and fishermen."
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Re: Texas Winter 2017-2018

#4128 Postby Texas Snowman » Fri Dec 29, 2017 7:41 pm

And then there's this story I posted back in late December 2013:

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Doing a little research this evening on Texas freezes. Came across this story by Shannon Tompkins in the Chronicle. It's from Feb. 2011. Some pretty interesting stuff.

Anybody know that Galveston Bay is reported to have frozen over a couple of times (see below)? Imagine Wxman57 trying to ride his bike in those mini-ice ages! :D :froze: :cold: :jacket:


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http://www.chron.com/sports/article/Tompkins-Documenting-Texas-coast-s-big-chills-1687256.php

Tompkins: Documenting Texas coast's big chills

By SHANNON TOMPKINS| February 10, 2011

Fish-killing freezes aren’t particularly unusual events along the Texas coast; dozens of cold-related kills have been documented over the state’s history.

But, as appears the case with this past week’s cold spell, most of the freeze-related fish kills have been relatively minor — glancing blows instead of knockout punches.

A handful of freezes, though, have resulted in catastrophic loss of marine life, killing millions of inshore fish and other marine organisms and leaving behind a devastated fishery that takes years to recover.

A review of historical records over the past 150 or so years indicates a ruinous freeze — one resulting in mass kills of marine life — occurs, on average, about every 15 years.

In that regard, Texas has been riding a lucky streak; the most recent major, coast wide, freeze-triggered fish kill occurred a little more than 21 years ago.

Here’s a brief history of some of the historically important and major freeze-related fish kills on the Texas coast:

• 1528 — The first European to note freeze-related coastal fish kills was the first European to produce a written record from what is now Texas.

Alvar Nunez Cabeza de Vaca was shipwrecked in November, 1528 on what is today known as Galveston Island, and spent the following eight years living with native people along the Texas coast and attempting to reach Spanish settlements in Mexico.

In La Relacion — The Account of Alvar Nunez Cabeza de Vaca, the book de Vaca wrote of his experiences, he noted the native people on the coast took advantage of “the season when the fish come to die.”

Most translators and interpreters of the work believe the statement refers to the fish-stunning effects of freezes on the coast, which allowed native peoples to easily collect fish for food.

• 1820 — Jane Long, often called “The Mother of Texas” as her daughter Mary was (wrongly, it turns out) claimed to be the first child of European heritage born in what is now Texas, reported the winter of 1820-21 was brutally cold. Long, living at the time on Bolivar Peninsula, reported temperatures dropped so low at one point that Galveston Bay froze over.

Long also noted that her small group survived the winter by breaking ice and collecting the freeze-killed fish beneath it.

•1845-46 — During the Mexican War, 5,000 U.S. Army troops under command of Gen. Zachary Taylor spent the winter of 1845-46 bivouacked on the shore of Corpus Christi Bay in advance of their invasion of Mexico. A major freeze hit the coast that winter, and the troops reportedly feed on freeze-killed fish.

• 1886 — At dusk Jan. 9, air temperature in Corpus Christi was 75 degrees. By dawn, Jan. 10, it had fallen to 16 degrees. The snow storm accompanying the freeze was described in the Galveston Daily News as “the greatest the city, state or even the lower South has ever witnessed.”

According to a history of freeze-caused fish kills written in 1996 by the late Larry McEachron, long-time science director of coastal fisheries for Texas Parks and Wildlife Department: “Based on reliable weather information, this could have been the worst fish kill in the past 150 years.”

• 1899 — The five-day freeze that struck the coast beginning Feb. 12 drove temperatures to their lowest recorded levels along the Texas coast — 9 degrees in Galveston, 10 in Brownsville and Corpus Christi. People rode horses across Nueces Bay. Others ice skated on Galveston Bay. Ships were frozen in ice in the harbors of Galveston and Corpus Christi.

Fish froze by the millions.

• 1917 — A freeze that hit the Texas coast on Feb. 3 was described by McEachron as “believed to be one of the most destructive of the Twentieth Century to marine life in Texas.”

• 1924 — Temperatures along the length of the coast dropped below freezing on Dec. 19 and remained there for more than two days on the upper coast and 74 hours in Corpus Christi — the longest continuous sub-freezing air temperature recorded on the coast up to that time.

The fish kill, while not quantified, was catastrophic.

•1940 — On Jan. 18, temperature in Rockport dropped from 64 into the 20s in four hours, and gale-force wind blew for four days. Temperatures dropped below freezing each day for 10 consecutive days, and more bays froze several hundred yards from shore.

This was the first freeze-caused fish kill fairly well documented by biologists. Biologists estimated more than one-million pounds of fish were collected in the Rockport/Corpus Christi area.

Coast-wide commercial finfish harvest dropped by half for the following two years.

• 1951 — The third freeze of winter 1950-51 began Jan. 28 and was the worst. It was the most prolonged freeze on record for the Texas coast. All bays saw major fish kills, with one state fisheries biologist estimated as much as 90 million pounds of fish died.

The Laguna Madre was hardest hit, losing an estimated 46 million fish. State fisheries staff set a series of gill nets in the upper Laguna Madre that October and November. Those nets yielded a total of four fish.

The 1951 fish kill crippled recreational and commercial fishing until the middle of the decade.

• 1983 — The Christmas Freeze, which set air temperature records across Texas, plunged coastal surface water temperatures from 60-64 degrees ahead of the front to 35 degrees in less than 8 hours.

Temperature remained below freezing in Port Arthur for 77 consecutive hours.

Ice rimmed every Texas bay. On Trinity Bay, a 4-inch-thick sheet of ice extended almost 500 yards from shore.

Texas Parks and Wildlife Department conducted intense, systematic and detailed monitoring of the freeze’s impacts. The estimated death toll: 14 million fish.

• 1989 — Two freezes — Feb. 3-6 and Dec. 22-24 — killed an estimated 17 million finfish.

The February freeze hit the upper and lower Laguna Madre hardest, but caused localized fish kills along the length of the Texas coast. TPWD estimated 11.3 million finfish killed.

The December freeze set air temperature records across the states. Brownsville saw 16 degrees, and temperatures fell to single digits along the upper coast. Houston set a record with 7 degrees.

Texas bays lost an estimated 6 million fish to the December 1989 freeze. The toll would have been much higher, but the February freeze had already stripped the bays of a large portion of their fish populations.
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Re: Texas Winter 2017-2018

#4129 Postby Texas Snowman » Fri Dec 29, 2017 7:47 pm

Came across this tonight, the very interesting tale (and a few photos) of that February 1895 snow event in Houston:

https://spacecityweather.com/houston-snow-1895-galveston
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Re: Texas Winter 2017-2018

#4130 Postby wxman57 » Fri Dec 29, 2017 7:54 pm

This won't be 1983 or 1989. It's just a cold front that may drop temps into the mid 20s along the coast. There doesn't appear to be very much moisture behind the front. Just cold, cloudy, and windy. As the short wave passes on Tuesday, might see some precip falling from the mid-level cloud deck, but it may not survive to reach the ground.
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Re: Texas Winter 2017-2018

#4131 Postby Texas Snowman » Fri Dec 29, 2017 8:05 pm

:uarrow: Never said it was going to be, my good sir.

Certainly not a "disruptive" event that will cancel any bike riding plans. :wink:

Was just passing along information concerning SE Texas , in partial response to Brent's comment above.
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Re: Texas Winter 2017-2018

#4132 Postby gpsnowman » Fri Dec 29, 2017 8:15 pm

Always a good read Texas Snowman. Especially enjoyed the old photographs from the Space City article. Like a weather Playboy.
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Re: Texas Winter 2017-2018

#4133 Postby Brent » Fri Dec 29, 2017 8:23 pm

Texas Snowman wrote::uarrow: Never said it was going to be, my good sir.

Certainly not a "disruptive" event that will cancel any bike riding plans. :wink:

Was just passing along information concerning SE Texas , in partial response to Brent's comment above.


Yeah i know it can snow on the coast its just weird amarillo which averages far more snow than anywhere has had basically none
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Re: Texas Winter 2017-2018

#4134 Postby Texas Snowman » Fri Dec 29, 2017 8:24 pm

Gpsnowman, I had never seen the photos before.

That snowstorm was certainly part of an unforgettable five-year weather period in that part of the Lone Star State (the 20-inch 1895 snow, the severe 1899 freeze, and the 1900 Galveston hurricane).
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#4135 Postby Ntxw » Fri Dec 29, 2017 8:26 pm

It is odd but its a detriment of how dry it is in the west with PNA (Amarillo is more of a semi arid steppe like climate than the eastern part of the state). They do best when you have SW lows. Get one to go and they will have more snow than anyone. 4-6" is cake for the city.
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Re: Texas Winter 2017-2018

#4136 Postby Texas Snowman » Fri Dec 29, 2017 8:27 pm

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Texas Snowman wrote::uarrow: Never said it was going to be, my good sir.

Certainly not a "disruptive" event that will cancel any bike riding plans. :wink:

Was just passing along information concerning SE Texas , in partial response to Brent's comment above.


Yeah i know it can snow on the coast its just weird amarillo which averages far more snow than anywhere has had basically none


Yeah, certainly is weird. Would be even more so if the winter somehow ended with that still being true!
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Re: Texas Winter 2017-2018

#4137 Postby gpsnowman » Fri Dec 29, 2017 8:31 pm

Texas Snowman wrote:Gpsnowman, I had never seen the photos before.

That snowstorm was certainly part of an unforgettable five-year weather period in that part of the Lone Star State (the 20-inch 1895 snow, the severe 1899 freeze, and the 1900 Galveston hurricane).

I sometimes will watch Youtube videos of Dallas snow and ice events and have found a couple write ups regarding the 1983 Dallas freeze. I wonder if any articles about the late 1800's crazy winters exist for North Texas? Gotta do some research, that would be interesting.
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Re: Texas Winter 2017-2018

#4138 Postby Quixotic » Fri Dec 29, 2017 8:43 pm

La Niña will give Amarillo a pretty entertaining severe season.....
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Re: Texas Winter 2017-2018

#4139 Postby Ntxw » Fri Dec 29, 2017 8:45 pm

gpsnowman wrote:I sometimes will watch Youtube videos of Dallas snow and ice events and have found a couple write ups regarding the 1983 Dallas freeze. I wonder if any articles about the late 1800's crazy winters exist for North Texas? Gotta do some research, that would be interesting.


I've tried to find the same thing for Dallas history. Unfortunately there are not extensive records. The DFW region relatively speaking is a young region. Due to being landlocked, settlers just didn't have an easy life here until more modern inventions. In Dallas when it gets hot, you can't just hit the beach and with cars nonexistent back then not comfortable lifestyle. Populations back then life was better near the water where the towns were better at recording weather.
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Re: Texas Winter 2017-2018

#4140 Postby Tejas89 » Fri Dec 29, 2017 9:40 pm

Speaking of December 1983. We played more outdoor ice hockey in Plano TX that 2 weeks than anytime before or since, I’m positive of that. Creeks, iced over tennis courts etc. We got pretty good at it in tennis shoes and my yankee friends’ hockey gear lol.
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