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Re: Texas Winter 2010-2011

#5981 Postby TeamPlayersBlue » Wed Feb 02, 2011 8:11 pm

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Portastorm wrote:Duly noted, Ntxw. The southwest flow over the state does look a bit "noisy" after watching a 16-loop infrared animation. Little disturbances are hard to pinpoint but they can play a role in creating that LIFT you keep talking about! :wink:



Portastorm and I only thought you were a avid TS fan.... :D

ULL digging into NMexico now...already influencing the SW flow IMO....

I think that will play a major part as well. Moisture from the gulf is huge, but i think it can dig in low enough to pull moisture in from the pacific
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Re: Texas Winter 2010-2011

#5982 Postby funster » Wed Feb 02, 2011 8:13 pm

Hooray! More rolling blackouts expected tonight and tomorrow! :cheesy: :cheesy: / sarcasm

http://twitter.com/dartmedia/status/32954412678778881
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Re: Texas Winter 2010-2011

#5983 Postby South Texas Storms » Wed Feb 02, 2011 8:16 pm

What's a good site to view the upper low digging and showing the increasing SW flow? Also, what's the best winter weather radar to use? (I'm not used to tracking winter weather because there usually isn't any here) :wink:
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#5984 Postby TeamPlayersBlue » Wed Feb 02, 2011 8:20 pm

http://www.weather.com/maps/news/atlsto ... mated.html

think we can tap into some of that moisture?
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Re: Texas Winter 2010-2011

#5985 Postby southerngale » Wed Feb 02, 2011 8:26 pm

Ntxw wrote:Starting to get into that time zone for RUC and HRRR. HRRR starts streaming a band of light snow just NW of SA and Austin heading northeast. Precip is also starting to breakout around the Texas coast region. Mesoscale banding. Someone could get lucky!

http://img80.imageshack.us/img80/8301/hrrr.png



I like this HRRR model that I never heard of. lol
It has me in that neon green, between 25 and 30. This run for $200, Alex.
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Re: Texas Winter 2010-2011

#5986 Postby Anthony » Wed Feb 02, 2011 8:27 pm

South Texas Storms wrote:What's a good site to view the upper low digging and showing the increasing SW flow? Also, what's the best winter weather radar to use? (I'm not used to tracking winter weather because there usually isn't any here) :wink:

I like this link for watching the ULL w/ the water vapor:
http://www.atmo.arizona.edu/products/wx ... 0mbwv.html

and using:
http://www.myownradar.com/corsicana/com ... /texas.gif

for the statewide radar.
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#5987 Postby srainhoutx » Wed Feb 02, 2011 8:31 pm

TeamPlayersBlue wrote:http://www.weather.com/maps/news/atlstorm5/satellite1_large_animated.html

think we can tap into some of that moisture?


That disturbance was just E of HI a few days ago. We can thank MJO pulse for our subtropical connection... :wink:
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Re: Texas Winter 2010-2011

#5988 Postby South Texas Storms » Wed Feb 02, 2011 8:34 pm

Thanks Anthony! I'm tracking along with ya :)
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Re: Texas Winter 2010-2011

#5989 Postby southerngale » Wed Feb 02, 2011 8:40 pm

Jeff Lindner email update I got about an hour or so ago:


Sorry for the delay, I wanted to look over the 18Z guidance and forecast soundings to help nail down P-type and totals...not sure it changed the thinking much.

Winter Storm Watch in effect for all of coastal Texas and have been expanded into central TX and SW LA.

Historic snow and ice event within 24 hours of onset.

Record snowfall totals may be challenged by this event.

Discussion:
Little has changed with the overall pattern which conitnues to exhibit a classic TX winter storm profile. Deep upper trough digging into northern MX at this time will develop a NW Gulf of Mexico surface low which throws copious moisture NW into the frigid arctic air mass in place. While aloft the sub-tropical jet stream will bring moisture in from the Pacific. While the low levels are dry, the snow falling through the air column will gradully moisten the surface layer starting early Thursday. Widespread snow/sleet will develop by Thursday evening with heavy snow likely overnight.

Timing:
Models have trended a little faster today with the onset timing. In fact a few models suggest we could begin to see flurries along the coast before noon on Thursday, but this would be very light as the surface layer saturates. Wet bulb effects and ongoing cold air advection will likely keep temperatures below freezing. Light snow and sleet should develop along the coast and begin to spread inland around the noon-100pm time period. Light snow will expand northward over the rest of SE TX by 300-400pm with accumulations starting about an hour after the snow begins...possibly sooner if the temperatures are in the upper 20's at the onset. Thursday night weak warm layer tries to advance toward the coast and may push inland resulting in sleet and freezing rain and ice accumulations...I continue to be wary of this P-type change given how cold the air column is and the fact that the models may be overdoing the 1-2 degree above freezing warm nose (around or above the 850mb level) above a very cold surface. Will cut back on the ice accumulations around Galveston Bay and favor more sleet/snow instead...I may end up being wrong on this, but I just think this air mass is colder than the models show it to be.

Accumulations:

I am going with a 10:1 ratio but it could be closer to 12:1 given the very cold/dry air mass in place. This means an inch of liquid would produce 10-12 inches of snow. These are very high ratios for coastal TX, typical ratios are usually closer to 7:1 and in Dec 09 were around 5:1. Other aspect with accumulation is that the ground will be very cold, so what falls will not melt adding to the amounts.

I am very confident that snow will fall, I am not as confident on accumulations as much depends on what P-type is falling and for how long at a given location. Freezing rain will mean more ice, while freezing rain and sleet will also cut down on snow accumulations. With all that said here is my best try at accumulations right now:

Southeast of a line from McAllen to Alice offshore to Bay City to Kemah to High Island:
Light snow early changing to freezing rain/sleet Thursday afternoon/evening. Accumulations of ice of 1/10th to 1/4th of an inch. Mix changing to sleet/snow early Friday...snow accumulations of 1-2 inches.

Southeast of a line from San Antonio to Hempstead to Conroe to Livingston:
Snow/sleet will start the event with all snow likely after 600pm Thursday. Accumulations of 1-3 inches is likely with isolated totals of 4-5" possible. This area will be the favored location for meso scale snow bands and these bands may produce very heavy snow in this corridor including Wharton, Fort Bend, Harris, Montgomery, San Jacinto, Waller, Austin, and Colorado counties.

North of the line from San Antonio to Hempstead to Conroe to Livingston:
Snow for the entire event will accumulations of 1-3 inches likely with isolated amounts up to 4". While snow is favored the entire event, the moisture will be greater closer toward the coast which may cut back on totals this far north.

Meso Banding:
NAM and GFS both show convective precipitation with this event which was seen in Dec 2004 resulting in the banding of very heavy snow. Strong isentropic ascent combined with frontgenic forcing in the favorable baroclinic zone greatly enhances the threat for this meso banding along and about 50 miles N of the US 59 corridor. This is the area that could really get hammered with some impressive totals and the NAM has been hinting at this over NE Harris, N Liberty, San Jacinto, Polk, and E Montgomery counties the last few runs, I like that idea and will also include Waller, Fort Bend, Wharton and Austin to mesh where this zone may setup. It is impossible to forecast where these bands will form and how long they will remain over a certain location...so it is impossible to know where some of the higher totals will be. Under these bands snowfall rates of 1-2 inches will be possible per hour with visibilities falling to less than 1/4th of a mile.

Preparations:

Looks like much of the area will fall below freezing tonight and not get back above freezing until maybe midday Saturday. This extended period of sub-freezing temperatures may freeze pipes as happened last night at some locations. Make sure pipes are protected and check your water pressure regularly to ensure pipes are not frozen.

Travel conditions on area roadways is going to go downhill very quickly Thursday afternoon/evening. Not sure if we wil get the evening rush hour complete before roads begin to accumulate ice/snow. Best estimate now is onset of precipitation over the heavy metro areas in the 300-500pm time period with accumulations starting 30 minutes to an hour after snow begins to fall...this really does not get us through the rush hour and feel by 600pm snow will start to accumulate on bridges/overpasses and some surface streets. After 700pm expect travel to be extremely dangerous and by Friday morning nearly impossible as all roadways will be ice covered and snow packed. Road crews are going to be overwhelmed with the event and will not be able to spread snad fast enough to keep most roadways open. Travel after 600pm Thursday is being strongly discouraged through all day on Friday and likely through noon on Saturday.

School Closings:

Early Release on Thursday:
Wharton ISD: noon
Lamar CISD: around noon

Additional ISD's will likely release early on Thursday especially southwest and many schools will likely be closed on Friday.

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Re: Texas Winter 2010-2011

#5990 Postby Portastorm » Wed Feb 02, 2011 8:46 pm

It appears that not everyone is on board the Snow Train. Here's a dissenting viewpoint about the weather in Houston/SE Texas for tomorrow and Friday. Mr. Cosgrove has been poo-pooing this event all week. He's either going to score a huge win with this forecast or suffer an embarrassing defeat.

http://www.examiner.com/weather-in-houston/weather-forecast-for-houston-tx-and-vicinity-thursday-february-3-2011
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Re: Texas Winter 2010-2011

#5991 Postby iorange55 » Wed Feb 02, 2011 8:48 pm

He's even hating on the ECMWF for next week. What a downer :[ hope he's not right.
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Re: Texas Winter 2010-2011

#5992 Postby TeamPlayersBlue » Wed Feb 02, 2011 8:51 pm

Portastorm wrote:It appears that not everyone is on board the Snow Train. Here's a dissenting viewpoint about the weather in Houston/SE Texas for tomorrow and Friday. Mr. Cosgrove has been poo-pooing this event all week. He's either going to score a huge win with this forecast or suffer an embarrassing defeat.

http://www.examiner.com/weather-in-houston/weather-forecast-for-houston-tx-and-vicinity-thursday-february-3-2011


He has been very negative with the forecast of snow for SE Texas. If it snows tomorrow, it will be the first time Houston has had snow in 3 consecutive years. I really want to make this happen. (last year was the first time it snowed in 2 consecutive years)
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Re: Texas Winter 2010-2011

#5993 Postby Ntxw » Wed Feb 02, 2011 8:51 pm

Portastorm wrote:It appears that not everyone is on board the Snow Train. Here's a dissenting viewpoint about the weather in Houston/SE Texas for tomorrow and Friday. Mr. Cosgrove has been poo-pooing this event all week. He's either going to score a huge win with this forecast or suffer an embarrassing defeat.

http://www.examiner.com/weather-in-houston/weather-forecast-for-houston-tx-and-vicinity-thursday-february-3-2011


Ahh, probably will worry a few. I would like to note. He is a fantastic forecaster and points things out quite well and does great work. However, this has been the season of unpredictability. I noticed rather a few times, that his forecast was a bit off with a few storms locally here and other places as well this winter :wink:. JB has been thrown off his rail also. Mother nature seems to be doing what she wants even if the signals point other wise *thaws cough*.
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Re: Texas Winter 2010-2011

#5994 Postby Portastorm » Wed Feb 02, 2011 8:52 pm

iorange55 wrote:He's even hating on the ECMWF for next week. What a downer :[ hope he's not right.


Oh, I know ... but in the marketplace of ideas, I thought it at least merited mention. We'll all see soon enough whose right.
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Re: Texas Winter 2010-2011

#5995 Postby South Texas Storms » Wed Feb 02, 2011 9:08 pm

Does anyone see the 00z nam? It looks awful for us...
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#5996 Postby gboudx » Wed Feb 02, 2011 9:10 pm

I've been reading Larry's blog updates off-and-on for about a year. He's been losing me more and more this winter. Seems like he's been wrong more than even close.
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Re: Texas Winter 2010-2011

#5997 Postby iorange55 » Wed Feb 02, 2011 9:10 pm

South Texas Storms wrote:Does anyone see the 00z nam? It looks awful for us...



It might show more moisture between hours 30-40. If it doesn't however it's only one run. Nam hasn't had the hot hand.
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Re: Texas Winter 2010-2011

#5998 Postby South Texas Storms » Wed Feb 02, 2011 9:12 pm

iorange55 wrote:
South Texas Storms wrote:Does anyone see the 00z nam? It looks awful for us...



It might show more moisture between hours 30-40. If it doesn't however it's only one run. Nam hasn't had the hot hand.


True, it has been very inconsistent lately.
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#5999 Postby DonWrk » Wed Feb 02, 2011 9:35 pm

So it's the ULL that is going to pull this thing somewhat north?
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Re: Texas Winter 2010-2011

#6000 Postby newtotex » Wed Feb 02, 2011 9:36 pm

I it pulls the ULL north, does that increase the metroplex's snow chances?
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