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#61 Postby FLguy » Tue Feb 10, 2004 10:30 pm

Stephanie wrote:I know Flguy - but it can get alittle hairy none the less! :wink:


or i can just chase them away...lol
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#62 Postby Anonymous » Tue Feb 10, 2004 10:50 pm

donsutherland1 wrote:Jeb,

You wrote:

<i>I would like Don...to tell all of us exactly how much snow do you think Woodbridge, VA can expect IF a snowstorm DOES materialize between now and March 31. How many inches of snow can Woodbridge reasonably expect from such a storm later this month or in early/mid March?</i>

Maybe I should be taken up Wisconsin Avenue to Bethesda for this response, but if the idea of a possible significant storm this month and in March haven't already led to my being committed, maybe no one will notice this latest act of seeming insanity:

Per my January <b>review</b> of past years with a similar setup to the current one, I'll offer the following probabilities for Woodbridge:

10" or greater storm: around 60%
6" or greater storm: around 75%
4" or greater storm: 85%



Don, you're more sane and stable than all of us put together and especially than me LOL LOL.

That said, I begin to have my doubts about a major snow for Woodbridge VA (Where major snow=6 to 12 inches in a single storm).

Believe it or not, I am already beginning to emotionally trend toward my 77/64 T/Td jebwalk conditions at the OBX last October. :)

-Jeb
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#63 Postby Anonymous » Tue Feb 10, 2004 11:49 pm

Oh and while I am thinking about it.....

We have another arctic blast approaching the E US.

It will be extremely cold in the Northeast with this blast, perhaps near-record to record cold in the northeast.

It will be in the 35 to 40-degree daytime range with this arctic blast, maybe 30 to 35 degrees in the daytime, worst-case scenario in DCA. It'll be milder here in Woodbridge.

A winter storm may develop in the East in mid or late February, perhaps in early March.

This winter storm will present a mixed bag in the Mid Atlantic then change to all rain and be heavy at times, giving N VA about 1 to 2 inches of plain rain.

This winter storm will present the Northeast with heavy snows, and a Big Dog deformation zone will develop in the NE giving folks there a hefty dump of snow to the tune of 2 to 4 feet (more in the northern ski areas such as Jay Peak).



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ARCTIC BLAST

If you live in the Northeastern part of the country over the next 4 weeks and you don't care for harsh frigid weather, I kindly suggest you take a nice vacation in the Virgin Islands and enjoy the ocean and the beaches there. :)

The next arctic blast will be very harsh for the Northeast, particularly Vermont, Maine, those kinds of places. They will be extremely frigid, even by their standards. They may experience record or near-record cold with this arctic blast.

If you live in the Mid Atlantic (and I am referring to the areas east of the mountains, DCA south) please do not get too excited about this particular arctic blast. If you take the time to remember what happened here in the Mid Atlantic with the last arctic blast in January, you will recall that that arctic blast was cold here in the Mid Atlantic but nothing to write home about and it was certainly nowhere as cold as what hit the Northeast. That's what is going to happen with this arctic blast here in the Mid Atlantic. Do not believe any hype about this arctic blast here in the Mid Atlantic. It will be a strictly ho-hum weather pattern, nothing to get excited about. During this arctic blast coming in the next 1 to 2 weeks, DCA will cool down into the 30s for highs, 20s for lows. This is no big deal folks. This is nothing to get over excited about.

If you live south of North Carolina don't even pay attention to this next arctic blast, it does not concern you.





WINTER STORM

A winter storm will form in the Eastern US sometime in the next 3 weeks. It may occur in mid-month or late-month or even early March.

Regardless of when it develops, and there may be more than one winter storm, you need to consider the following.

Northeast US........

This storm will be all snow for you. Your climo and location favors it, and believe me, it will be cold enough for snow there.

This snow event will dump anywhere from 1 foot of snow to over 4 feet of snow. Ski areas such as Jay Peak, Stowe, the usual favored spots, will get smothered by much higher snow tallies. If there is a coastal component to the system you will face severe blowing and drifting of the snow.

Mid Atlantic US.........

I am referring to the areas east of the mountains DCA south.

During the heart of this next "arctic blast" here in the Mid Atlantic, we'll cool down some. Highs will be in the 30s with lows in the 20s. During the "winter storm", we will start as some very light snow, which will accumulate about an inch on the grass. The roads will be too warm due to springlike conditions before the cool-down. Sorry. The dry air will evaporate so much of the precip at the beginning of the storm that by the time the precip gets heavy enough to really accumulate, it will have changed over to some sleet and freezing rain. Expect a light glaze before a quick changeover to rain. This rain will be heavy at times and will add 1 to 3 inches of plain rain to ground that desperately needs to dry out because it is still saturated and it's still frozen (but continued springlike weather will thaw the ground thoroughly by Saturday this weekend), so there will be moderate flooding.

Start making your preparations for moderate flooding so you will be fully prepared for this storm which will be a BIG rainmaker for Virginia, North Carolina and points south.

The mountains of Virginia and North Carolina will get some more snow then ice then a little rainfall.

Farther south this will be a soaking rain. Beware of flooding issues down there.



Flooding considerations.......

We have had a lot of rain in Virginia and North Carolina this winter. The ground is saturated and also frozen in some areas, although we are currently experiencing some of the warmest early taste of springlike conditions I have seen here in years. I think some thawing of the frozen ground will occur thus some rain will soak into the ground, but with the 2 inches of rain we just received a few short days ago we can anticipate flooding in low-lying areas and some rises along mainstem rivers.

Down in the Southeast you are getting more rain even now so you will suffer ongoing flooding concerns, especially along your major rivers.





This next surge of arctic air is no big deal unless you live way up in Maine, in Presque Isle, Maine, those kinds of locations.

In the Mid Atlantic it will be a cool down to chilly winter temps but it will be no colder than what we had in January and probably milder.

In places south of North Carolina, this arctic air does not concern you. Disregard it.


This message will also be found on my website's front page. It WILL be read and heeded. Don't let arctic air hype overpower your common sense.



-Jeb
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#64 Postby donsutherland1 » Tue Feb 10, 2004 11:59 pm

Jeb,

An Arctic blast looks likely for Sunday. Here is the 2/11 0Z run of the GFS for 2/15 12Z:

<img src="http://www5.wright-weather.com/bb/attachment.php?s=&postid=212774">

Still, two factors might work against record low temperatures in the Northeast and northern Mid-Atlantic:

1) Lack of snowcover in some areas
2) The existing record low temperatures are very low:

Albany: -22, 1943
Boston: -14, 1943
New York City: -8, 1943
Providence: -14, 1943

Nonetheless, this does look like an impressive but quick shot of bitter cold for the northern Mid-Atlantic and Northeast.
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#65 Postby Stormsfury » Wed Feb 11, 2004 12:01 am

donsutherland1 wrote:Jeb,

An Arctic blast looks likely for Sunday. Here is the 2/11 0Z run of the GFS for 2/15 12Z:

<img src="http://www5.wright-weather.com/bb/attachment.php?s=&postid=212774">

Still, two factors might work against record low temperatures in the Northeast and northern Mid-Atlantic:

1) Lack of snowcover in some areas
2) The existing record low temperatures are very low:

Albany: -22, 1943
Boston: -14, 1943
New York City: -8, 1943
Providence: -14, 1943

Nonetheless, this does look like an impressive but quick shot of bitter cold for the northern Mid-Atlantic and Northeast.


And once the ECMWF gets the southern stream s/w energy bias straightened out towards the near term ... it spells POTENTIAL, POTENTIAL, POTENTIAL all over it next week ... and already the 00z guidance are showing AG signatures already (COLD AIR DAMMING) ...

SF
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#66 Postby donsutherland1 » Wed Feb 11, 2004 12:03 am

SF,

Excellent points. I hardly believe next week will be a quiet, unventful, sleepy week.
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#67 Postby Stormsfury » Wed Feb 11, 2004 12:05 am

donsutherland1 wrote:SF,

Excellent points. I hardly believe next week will be a quiet, unventful, sleepy week.


Yep, agreed 100%

1) I'm on vacation this week and COULD spend a lot of time forecasting it.
2) I'm going to Florida Thursday, and won't be back until at least Sunday ...
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#68 Postby donsutherland1 » Wed Feb 11, 2004 12:12 am

SF,

Have a great trip. After all you've been through lately, you deserve it.
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#69 Postby Anonymous » Wed Feb 11, 2004 12:22 am

Even if we do see a cooldown to say, 38 degrees for highs in N VA by Sunday, we will be 20 or more degrees above climo through at least Friday.


Do you know why I am laughing so hard at all this "winter talk"?


Let me clue all of you in on our Springlike Reality here in VA this morning.


It is 40 degrees at 1215am with MOSTLY CLOUDY skies. You know what our progged lows are for tonight?

Ha Ha. 28 degrees. What a Joke. We will be lucky to see 35 degrees. Then tomorrow, we WILL warm to at least 48 degrees but 55 degrees is not out of the realm of possibility. We face the very real likelihood of highs in the 50s all week into this weekend with lows in the upper 30s to the 40s.

WOW what a cold, snowy February this is. I am openly laughing now.

I have taken jebwalks and cried real tears at all the melting snow. No ice at all to walk on. My heart is broken.

I will be laughing at all the "cold, snowy February" predictions until we at least get back down to low 40s HIGHS and lows in the upper 20s. But wouldn't you know it, that will not happen until Monday or Tuesday next week. All of my snow will be gone, the ground will be thawed out and warmed up and we will be right back to where we were in late November with ground temps.

I will be jumping up and down with joy if we EVER get back down into the 20s again for LOWS.

What a truly regrettable winter, but I have learned a lot from it. Next winter I will be extremely skeptical from November 2004 onward. No hype will sway me next winter, unless I happen to be on Jay Peak or the Allegheny Front.

-Jeb
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#70 Postby Anonymous » Wed Feb 11, 2004 12:30 am

Stormsfury wrote:
donsutherland1 wrote:SF,

Excellent points. I hardly believe next week will be a quiet, unventful, sleepy week.


Yep, agreed 100%

1) I'm on vacation this week and COULD spend a lot of time forecasting it.
2) I'm going to Florida Thursday, and won't be back until at least Sunday ...




Stormsfury, have fun in Florida. I am abandoning my winter mindset now, I am returning to my OBX 77/64 T/Td jebwalk obsession of last October. Enjoy a nice beach jebwalk for me. Have a great time. Relax and enjoy your vacation.


-Jeb
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#71 Postby Anonymous » Wed Feb 11, 2004 12:33 am

I am going to start trending back to my OBX beach jebwalk considerations that I used to be obsessed with in October last year.

Because I frankly believe N VA will have no more snow this season. It'll get cold and all, but we are losing all our snow and by next Monday the ground will be all thawed out and I am facing up to reality. Winter is not over but snow in Woodbridge is over with until January 2005.

I have now changed my Sig. It is high time I get on with Life. This is completely ridiculous, even for me!! I am now obsessing with the trees and landmarks on jebwalks just like I did last year at Nags Head. I've been wanting to do that for a while.

I also tend to get caught up in The Hardy Boys' adventure stories about late February/early March every year. Check out this link!!! :)
These stories are Unbelievable!!! Some of you are probably too young to know who the Hardy Boys are, but if you are in your 30's you probably know who I am talking about. The Hardy Boys detectives stories are now Online!!!!

Yeah I have MANY obsessive hobbies!! This is another!!! Yeah folks I am moving away from winter now!!! It is OVER in N VA!!!

I have to admit I kinda enjoyed that 48 degree jebwalk tonight, when I wasn't sniffling over my snow melting, but the snow has to melt sometime.

-Jeb
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#72 Postby donsutherland1 » Wed Feb 11, 2004 12:33 am

Jeb,

A number of points:

1) Springlike weather is no guarantee that it cannot grow cold again.
2) My outlook for February was for near normal temperatures and above to perhaps much above normal snowfall. FWIW, Washington, DC's normal snowfall for February is 5.2".
3) You wrote: <i>I will be jumping up and down with joy if we EVER get back down into the 20s again for LOWS.</i> Be prepared to jump up and down with joy quite often.

In the end, the cold came in January. With hints of significant blocking after 10 days, prospects for storminess will be on the increase. Of course, the first downpayment toward an above average snowfall month could materialize later this week.
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#73 Postby donsutherland1 » Wed Feb 11, 2004 12:34 am

Jeb,

You wrote, "Because I frankly believe N VA will have no more snow this season."

You're not truly serious, are you?
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#74 Postby Stormsfury » Wed Feb 11, 2004 12:46 am

Stormsfury, have fun in Florida. I am abandoning my winter mindset now, I am returning to my OBX 77/64 T/Td jebwalk obsession of last October. Enjoy a nice beach jebwalk for me. Have a great time. Relax and enjoy your vacation.


Don't abandon the winter dreams yet, Jeb...

Looks like a CAD scenario is a-unfolding ...

ECMWF Day 6

And the GFS at 126 hrs ... snow in Coastal SC? Probably will ... I'll be in Florida .. LOL ... (the one time it's probably correct ... LOL) ... can you say CAD signature ... and that's impressive for the GFS at 126 hours.

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UKMET at 144 hours ... 1040mb getting ready to wedge down ... CAD signature ...

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Canadian at 126 hours ...
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ALL SHOW CAD signatures ... the question is with the PV and can the HIGH lock down ... either way, it will be VERY COLD considering the source ... and throw subtroppy moisture into the mix ... well, gets interesting ....
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#75 Postby weatherfan » Wed Feb 11, 2004 12:51 am

I think one of the reasons why some some are frustreated this year as you are as well.because of how great last winter was.But in realtey this winter has it been really all that bad if you look at the big picture of things.You have to remember that no two winters are ever alike.Last year parts of the middle Alantic and Northeast saw over 50 seasonal snow fall.Which is a historeck winter.In many places broke records of the snowest winter ever. This winter the storey has not so much been snow as much as the cold.And the cold to be honest has made this winter just as hostorect.As we have it really seen a winter where we had cold as cold as it was in Januarey in at least 10 years and some records going back to the late 18 hunders as Don messaged. About Va missing the snow.There has been a lot of possableys this winter.But those things do happen.Where some one will always gets more then the other state.So far the biggest snow winners have been in the Northeast.BUT you have to consider the fact where the storms have formed.The big coasters have form just a bit to late for Va and parts of Md to get big storms.But have been perfect for most of the Northeast.However do not lose hope and saying winter over and that you will not get any more snow chances.Because I diffentey see major chances of it coming late febuarey-March with a possable historect Early March storm.With QBO changeing to west.Negative NAO 50/50 is classest pattern for something big in this pattern.And imo it would be a great way to end winter to have it go out with a bang.Its been a while since we seen a very cold and or snowey March and this may be the year.So we will see.One more point these warm periods jeb are very much normal.Even the most coldest and snowest winter like 1996 and last year saw a few mailder periolds but as Don clarefide it does not mean at all that winter is over.
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#76 Postby ColdFront77 » Wed Feb 11, 2004 12:57 am

I'll say it is expected to get cold again. Here is the latest forecast (issued at 9:45 pm Eastern, Tuesday, February 10[size=11]th]/size]) for southestern Massachusetts from the National Weather Service in Taunton, Massachusetts:


Overnight. Partly cloudy. Lows in the mid 20s. Southwest winds 5 to 10 mph.

Wednesday. Partly cloudy. Highs in the upper 30s. West winds 15 to 20 mph with gusts to around 35 mph.

Wednesday night. Mostly clear. Colder with lows around 14. Northwest winds 10 to 15 mph.

Thursday. Partly cloudy. Highs in the lower 30s. West winds around 10 mph.

Thursday night. Partly cloudy. Not as cold with lows in the mid 20s. Southwest winds 10 to 15 mph.

Friday. Partly cloudy. Highs around 40.

Friday night. Partly cloudy. Lows in the mid 20s.

Saturday. Partly cloudy and breezy. Highs around 40.

Saturday night. Partly cloudy with a 30 percent chance of snow showers. Brisk. Colder with lows around 10 above.

Sunday. Partly cloudy in the morning. Then clearing. Brisk. Much colder with highs 15 to 20.

Sunday night. Mostly clear. Lows zero to 5 above zero.

Presidents day through Tuesday. Partly cloudy and brisk. Highs 28 to 33. Lows 10 to 15.
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#77 Postby Stormsfury » Wed Feb 11, 2004 1:11 am

weatherfan wrote:I think one of the reasons why some some are frustreated this year as you are as well.because of how great last winter was.But in realtey this winter has it been really all that bad if you look at the big picture of things.You have to remember that no two winters are ever alike.Last year parts of the middle Alantic and Northeast saw over 50 seasonal snow fall.Which is a historeck winter.In many places broke records of the snowest winter ever. This winter the storey has not so much been snow as much as the cold.And the cold to be honest has made this winter just as hostorect.As we have it really seen a winter where we had cold as cold as it was in Januarey in at least 10 years and some records going back to the late 18 hunders as Don messaged. About Va missing the snow.There has been a lot of possableys this winter.But those things do happen.Where some one will always gets more then the other state.So far the biggest snow winners have been in the Northeast.BUT you have to consider the fact where the storms have formed.The big coasters have form just a bit to late for Va and parts of Md to get big storms.But have been perfect for most of the Northeast.However do not lose hope and saying winter over and that you will not get any more snow chances.Because I diffentey see major chances of it coming late febuarey-March with a possable historect Early March storm.With QBO changeing to west.Negative NAO 50/50 is classest pattern for something big in this pattern.And imo it would be a great way to end winter to have it go out with a bang.Its been a while since we seen a very cold and or snowey March and this may be the year.So we will see.One more point these warm periods jeb are very much normal.Even the most coldest and snowest winter like 1996 and last year saw a few mailder periolds but as Don clarefide it does not mean at all that winter is over.


I'm not picking on you, but to let you know there is a spell check button that you can use ...

Otherwise, very good post ...
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#78 Postby Anonymous » Wed Feb 11, 2004 1:17 am

We have begun to drop here a little!! If only it would cool to 32 degrees!! There might be a little ice on roads where the snow piles are melting!! We are only 6 degrees above freezing!! But those darn clouds will keep it from falling. It gets clear in the day with plenty of sun, we hit 56 degrees, then night, it clouds up, we get high 30s to 40s, at a time of year when the normal HIGH is 46 degrees. What I would give for highs near 37 and lows around 25 again. Just one more precious jebwalk on the ice next to melting piles of snow at the Mall. But that darn cloud cover won't let it fall to 32 degrees.


-Jeb
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#79 Postby ColdFront77 » Wed Feb 11, 2004 1:26 am

Jeb, As was mentioned, temperature can easily and are forecast to be rather cold with precipitation being in the form of snow, freezing rain, sleet and mix of all along with some rain events in the next four to eight weeks.

Stormsfury wrote:I'm not picking on you, but to let you know there is a spell check button that you can use ...

Otherwise, very good post ...

weatherfan wrote:I think one of the reasons why some some are frustreated this year as you are as well.because of how great last winter was.But in realtey this winter has it been really all that bad if you look at the big picture of things.You have to remember that no two winters are ever alike.Last year parts of the middle Alantic and Northeast saw over 50 seasonal snow fall.Which is a historeck winter.In many places broke records of the snowest winter ever. This winter the storey has not so much been snow as much as the cold.And the cold to be honest has made this winter just as hostorect.As we have it really seen a winter where we had cold as cold as it was in Januarey in at least 10 years and some records going back to the late 18 hunders as Don messaged. About Va missing the snow.There has been a lot of possableys this winter.But those things do happen.Where some one will always gets more then the other state.So far the biggest snow winners have been in the Northeast.BUT you have to consider the fact where the storms have formed.The big coasters have form just a bit to late for Va and parts of Md to get big storms.But have been perfect for most of the Northeast.However do not lose hope and saying winter over and that you will not get any more snow chances.Because I diffentey see major chances of it coming late febuarey-March with a possable historect Early March storm.With QBO changeing to west.Negative NAO 50/50 is classest pattern for something big in this pattern.And imo it would be a great way to end winter to have it go out with a bang.Its been a while since we seen a very cold and or snowey March and this may be the year.So we will see.One more point these warm periods jeb are very much normal.Even the most coldest and snowest winter like 1996 and last year saw a few mailder periolds but as Don clarefide it does not mean at all that winter is over.

Unfortunately, the spell checker doesn't pick up the errors in weatherfan's post.
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#80 Postby Anonymous » Wed Feb 11, 2004 1:39 am

Its down to 37 !!!

Come on now, temperature!! Please fall to 30 degrees tonight just for Jeb!!! Just so there can be some ice on the driveway near the melting snow piles!!

Come ON, wind!! Get out of that nasty south Rut!! Please turn more North!! Please give me a low of 30!!! Please banish those terrible highs in the 50s to late March where they belong!!! Give me my nice cool weather again!! Just a high of 35 degrees!!! Let me enjoy my precious icy jebwalk where the water from the melting snow piles at Potomac Mills Mall turns to ice at sundown again!!!

Just one more sweet icy jebwalk!!! Just one more beautiful cool air jebwalk!!

Please let all my forecasts be very Wrong!! Let the storm in South VA trend North!!! I want 8 inches of snow in Woodbridge on Thursday or Friday!!!

Just one more beautiful winter jebwalk!!! One more breath of fresh cool arctic air!!! One more jebwalk on an icy surface while folks watch me effortlessly slide on the ice, in total disbelief!!!

Just one last time!!!!!

Please give N VA a real winter storm this time!!!!

We got gypped on Jan 25. No more shafts.

Come on Snow!!! Come on Ice!! Come on Cold weather!!!

Let me enjoy one more truly wintry jebwalk!!!

Just for Jeb!!!!


-Jeb
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