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#61 Postby opera ghost » Thu Jun 17, 2004 12:01 pm

See I had nightmares watching Isabel- nightmares that she wouldn't turn and would barrel right through Florida, pick back up some steam in the gulf and head for Houston at cat3 or higher.

However I've got to say- extending Allison even another day or two would have been a nightmare.

Try this one on for size Duck- the hurricane of 1900... this season. :eek:

While costal cities are supposedly more prepared than the northeast coast- that's both a blessing and a curse. When a category 4 is barreling down on a supposedly prepared city- there can be a sense of "oh well we've lived through it before". The boy who cried wolf over and over again... seasons and seasons of Houstonians being told- this year could see the big one! And nothing ever happens.

I've been living in Hosuton since I was 11- at 24 now I have to admit to a certain amount of disbelief that we would ever actully get hit. I know we can- and that's why I educate myself... but my sister? my parents? They really believe that no hurricane is ever going to come to Houston- or if it did that they'd be safe from everything by being as far north as the city instead of on Galveston.

On the other hand- if a cat 4 starts tripping it's way to New York- the people are going to be horrified... but probably not as lazy about it. You'd lose more structures- but I think more people would listen to the evacuation plans... and fewer lives would be lost.
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#62 Postby GalvestonDuck » Thu Jun 17, 2004 12:11 pm

True, very true. Carla was a 4 but it's my understanding she hit just a bit further south, right? Alicia was a 3 and a more direct hit. So I guess we have yet to feel the true brunt of a 4 or stronger here on the Hou/Galv area in quite a while.

Shhhhh...don't skeer me like this! :eek:
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#63 Postby tomboudreau » Fri Jun 18, 2004 10:33 pm

Let's see: a hurricane's remnants stall over the area, totally filling all lakes and rivers, and totally saturating the ground.

Then about 1-2 weeks later, a much larger, stronger hurricane comes, dumps about 20"-30" of rain, flooding the entire area.

Oh wait, we already had that storm, it was FLOYD


That also happened in 1955 to Southern New England. They got hit by 2 hurricanes...I believe Carol and Diane...but I'm not sure of the names. My home town was completely flooded by this. You had to go down stream some 20 miles to cross because every bridge was knocked out because of the flooding. My parents told me that the National Guard had to sit along the banks of the Quinebaug River to shot the barrels of Magnesium to blow them up because they were causing all sorts of trouble.
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#64 Postby SupertyphoonTip » Fri Jun 18, 2004 10:56 pm

That also happened in 1955 to Southern New England. They got hit by 2 hurricanes...I believe Carol and Diane...but I'm not sure of the names. My home town was completely flooded by this. You had to go down stream some 20 miles to cross because every bridge was knocked out because of the flooding. My parents told me that the National Guard had to sit along the banks of the Quinebaug River to shot the barrels of Magnesium to blow them up because they were causing all sorts of trouble.


That was Carol and Edna, both hit at category 1 force but Edna was further east. Quite rare, a hurricane in southern New England, but here there were two in the same year!
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#65 Postby vbhoutex » Sat Jun 19, 2004 12:16 am

Try this one on for size Duck- the hurricane of 1900... this season.


The big problem with the 1900 storm was the surge, not it's strength. However, it could be compared to Alicia in 1983 strength wise. That comparison does show how much good a seawall can do, but I hope no one thinks in a strong CAT3 or higher storm coming in like Alicia did that it will be safe to stay on the island!!
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#66 Postby vbhoutex » Sat Jun 19, 2004 12:19 am

cctx wrote:Guess it's my turn to eat crow -- if I can get this foot out of my mouth vbhoutex I'd like to say I'm sorry.


No need to apologize!! You don't know me or my weird sense of humor.Well, I guess y ou do now!! Trust me, you will know if I am really upset!!! There are some here who can testify to that! :oops: :roll:
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#67 Postby Anonymous » Sat Jun 19, 2004 12:34 am

1900 was 140 mph.
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#68 Postby Guest » Wed Jun 23, 2004 1:05 am

opera ghost wrote:See I had nightmares watching Isabel- nightmares that she wouldn't turn and would barrel right through Florida, pick back up some steam in the gulf and head for Houston at cat3 or higher.

However I've got to say- extending Allison even another day or two would have been a nightmare.

Try this one on for size Duck- the hurricane of 1900... this season. :eek:

While costal cities are supposedly more prepared than the northeast coast- that's both a blessing and a curse. When a category 4 is barreling down on a supposedly prepared city- there can be a sense of "oh well we've lived through it before". The boy who cried wolf over and over again... seasons and seasons of Houstonians being told- this year could see the big one! And nothing ever happens.

I've been living in Hosuton since I was 11- at 24 now I have to admit to a certain amount of disbelief that we would ever actully get hit. I know we can- and that's why I educate myself... but my sister? my parents? They really believe that no hurricane is ever going to come to Houston- or if it did that they'd be safe from everything by being as far north as the city instead of on Galveston.

On the other hand- if a cat 4 starts tripping it's way to New York- the people are going to be horrified... but probably not as lazy about it. You'd lose more structures- but I think more people would listen to the evacuation plans... and fewer lives would be lost.



NOT. For a time the models and a few Mets in this area talked of Isabel heading right for here (When she was in her full cat 5 glory)and guess what. Nobody did a thing. People here have the attitude that one will NEVER strike here and have a million excuses as to why not either. Main thing is NOBODY alive in this area has ever seen one make a direct hit. And UNLIKE There as i have already said the buildings here are not built like they are there especially once you get a little inland.
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#69 Postby WXBUFFJIM » Wed Jun 23, 2004 1:45 am

Well stated King. As bad as Isabel was to the Chesapeake Bay area and into the Virginia/North Carolina coast, it wasn't "a major hurricane" at landfall as it was a cat 2 at landfall along the North Carolina coast. The track took this system to northwest Virginia. Over Maryland, Isabel was just a tropical storm and we ended up with record storm surge of 6-8 feet.

Well guess what ladies and gentlemen, imagine if Isabels track was similar in landfall near Hatteras, only a cat 4-5 at landfall, which would wipe out the outer banks. Then imagine if it took a track right up the Chesapeake Bay or the entire length of the Delmarva Peninsula as opposed to well west of the bay as a full blown major hurricane. Folks may say it's impossible??? Well anything is possible and the worse case scenario we face in the Mid Atlantic/Chesapeake/Delaware Bays in a hurricane crisis would be the Chesapeake Bay overflowing with 8-12 foot or higher surge with very high winds gusting over cat 3-4 force with the eye right over the Chesapeake Bay area. Buildings in this region let alone trees would not withstand a hurricane of that intensity. In addition a cat 3+ hurricane over the Chesapeake and Delaware Bays would flood most of Baltimore, Philadelphia, and Washington DC and possibly cause damage 10 times worse than what tropical storm Isabel produced. The entire Mid Atlantic coast would have a disaster unlike any other if this scenario were to occur. It's unfortunately a scary thought we must keep in mind, which is why we all should prepare in advance from here in the Mid Atlantic all the way up into New York and New England. But the Chesapeake and Delaware Bay areas especially should keep in mind that hurricanes can and do strike even inland and could even be powerful on rare occasions. Even if it means alittle time share vacation on the beach, that threat maybe realized on that week. Preparation is key and should be taken seriously during all tropical situations even this far north. All it takes is one and while the Mid Atlantic and northeast United States doesn't get a direct hit often, given the increase boom in coastal population, it's I think the most hurricane proned area in the United States without question.

One example of past hurricanes in the Mid Atlantic was back in 1933 when two hurricanes occurred that year. The first one being the Chesapeake/Potomac Hurricane, which caused a record surge on the Chesapeake Bay. Then another hurricane nailed the OC area and was one of the worse hurricane encounters Ocean City, MD ever seen since the Assateague and Ocean City barrier islands split into two making what is the inlet at OC nowadays. Some folks this far north and up into New York and New England may give little thought about the threat of hurricanes. But unfortunately they do hit more densely populated areas even in the big cities of the northeast on very rare occasions. The last big hit off the coast of Ocean City, MD caused flooding on parts of coastal highway, splintered the boardwalk, and took out the pier there. The point is we haven't seen that kind of hurricane on the Maryland beaches in nearly 20 years? Will it happen again?? Yes it will, it's only a matter of when it will happen, how strong will it be, and the exact track, which is why preparation up this far north is so so important.

What's perhaps more scary if you will as stated just a minute ago is the increase in coastal population, especially across the northeast and Mid Atlantic coastal areas. This makes evacuating a tougher challenge than ever before thus making the northeast and mid atlantic one of the most proned hurricane zones in the country should a major hurricane of a cat 3 or higher hit this area. I think personally we must learn what Hurricane Isabel 2003, the 1933 hurricanes, the 1938 Long Island Express, and Gloria in 1985 did to this particular area of the Middle Atlantic and northeastern United States, especially now that we have a booming coastal population nowadays. At the same time it would be wise to look at possible scenarios and evacuation and preparation procedures well in advance should a much stronger storm system hit this region of the country with much stronger intensity over the Chesapeake Bay or the Delmarva Peninsula. Again some may think that is impossible, especially in the Chesapeake/Delaware Bay areas, but unfortunately it is, which is why we here in the Chesapeake Bay/Delaware Bay areas and the Delmarva Peninsula points northward should also remain aware to hurricanes and the power they bring. All it takes is one, especially in this part of the country where it's more proned than ever before especially with the coastal boom in population combined with this major hurricane threat.

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#70 Postby Trader Ron » Wed Jun 23, 2004 8:54 am

I remember Carol and Diane.I lived on Long Island Sound at the time. Two hurricanes in one week.
If Gloria (1985) had hit at High Tide, the damage would have been much worse. We were lucky,it hit at "dead low" tide.
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