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Re: Texas Spring 2019

#721 Postby CaptinCrunch » Mon Apr 15, 2019 2:37 pm

rwfromkansas wrote:The graphic in this tweet does not match the actual SPC outlook? Confusing. It puts things well west of the official outlook.

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So basically it's a line east of a (Stephenville up to Mineral Wells to Henrietta) which puts the DFW area on the western side of the threat zone. As always what storms form out around this line can bring some damage, however I'm thinking the worst of the severe weather will be east of Dallas.


Actually, areas to the West and in D/FW will be under the gun for a significant sever weather event including tornadoes.
https://twitter.com/i/status/1117820640948621312


DFW metro is in the Enhanced Threat area, but it's in the western edge of that box. That's not ruling out the severe threat for DFW, but the main area will be Dallas and points east. It really depends on where the dry line set's up, and the timing once the storms start forming. Wednesday is going to be active and a good chase day.
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Re: Texas Spring 2019

#722 Postby cheezyWXguy » Mon Apr 15, 2019 3:43 pm

CaptinCrunch wrote:
rwfromkansas wrote:The graphic in this tweet does not match the actual SPC outlook? Confusing. It puts things well west of the official outlook.

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Actually, areas to the West and in D/FW will be under the gun for a significant sever weather event including tornadoes.
https://twitter.com/i/status/1117820640948621312


DFW metro is in the Enhanced Threat area, but it's in the western edge of that box. That's not ruling out the severe threat for DFW, but the main area will be Dallas and points east. It really depends on where the dry line set's up, and the timing once the storms start forming. Wednesday is going to be active and a good chase day.


Dfw being on the western edge of the highest probabilities probably increases the chances for significant severe weather though probably decreases the chances for experiencing a quantity of severe storms. The further west dfw is in the zone of highest chances, the more likely they are to experience storms prior to upscale growth.
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Re: Texas Spring 2019

#723 Postby fendie » Mon Apr 15, 2019 3:48 pm

rwfromkansas wrote:The graphic in this tweet does not match the actual SPC outlook? Confusing. It puts things well west of the official outlook.

EnnisTx wrote:
CaptinCrunch wrote:
So basically it's a line east of a (Stephenville up to Mineral Wells to Henrietta) which puts the DFW area on the western side of the threat zone. As always what storms form out around this line can bring some damage, however I'm thinking the worst of the severe weather will be east of Dallas.


Actually, areas to the West and in D/FW will be under the gun for a significant sever weather event including tornadoes.
https://twitter.com/i/status/1117820640948621312


Looks the same to me.

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Re: Texas Spring 2019

#724 Postby Ntxw » Mon Apr 15, 2019 4:11 pm

cheezyWXguy wrote:
CaptinCrunch wrote:
rwfromkansas wrote:The graphic in this tweet does not match the actual SPC outlook? Confusing. It puts things well west of the official outlook.



DFW metro is in the Enhanced Threat area, but it's in the western edge of that box. That's not ruling out the severe threat for DFW, but the main area will be Dallas and points east. It really depends on where the dry line set's up, and the timing once the storms start forming. Wednesday is going to be active and a good chase day.


Dfw being on the western edge of the highest probabilities probably increases the chances for significant severe weather though probably decreases the chances for experiencing a quantity of severe storms. The further west dfw is in the zone of highest chances, the more likely they are to experience storms prior to upscale growth.


It will depend on storm mode and timing. If it quickly lines up as some guidance are showing then it will be an MCS with the greatest threat being wind and rain. If more discrete cells fire ahead of the dryline then those would be a more significant threat. I'm leaning towards a quickly forming MCS.
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Re: Texas Spring 2019

#725 Postby Haris » Mon Apr 15, 2019 4:37 pm

Looks to remain active from here on out. Buckle up.
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Re: Texas Spring 2019

#726 Postby cheezyWXguy » Mon Apr 15, 2019 4:46 pm

Ntxw wrote:
cheezyWXguy wrote:
CaptinCrunch wrote:
DFW metro is in the Enhanced Threat area, but it's in the western edge of that box. That's not ruling out the severe threat for DFW, but the main area will be Dallas and points east. It really depends on where the dry line set's up, and the timing once the storms start forming. Wednesday is going to be active and a good chase day.


Dfw being on the western edge of the highest probabilities probably increases the chances for significant severe weather though probably decreases the chances for experiencing a quantity of severe storms. The further west dfw is in the zone of highest chances, the more likely they are to experience storms prior to upscale growth.


It will depend on storm mode and timing. If it quickly lines up as some guidance are showing then it will be an MCS with the greatest threat being wind and rain. If more discrete cells fire ahead of the dryline then those would be a more significant threat. I'm leaning towards a quickly forming MCS.

I wouldn’t be surprised if you’re right, but I’m hesitant to buy in just yet. The nam tends to over-convect, which may bias it toward mcs development too early
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Re: Texas Spring 2019

#727 Postby Cpv17 » Mon Apr 15, 2019 5:01 pm

Once again the NE quadrant is where you wanna be. Getting sick of this.

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Re: Texas Spring 2019

#728 Postby Lagreeneyes03 » Mon Apr 15, 2019 5:09 pm

Looks like the threat boxes are moving about 50 miles west, which puts DFW proper more into the thick of things, yes?

What's the timing looking like? I can play garage musical chairs with parking garages and such.
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Re: Texas Spring 2019

#729 Postby rwfromkansas » Mon Apr 15, 2019 5:10 pm

I was referring to I guess the hatched area. Didn’t realize that’s what that was in the link.
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Re: Texas Spring 2019

#730 Postby Haris » Mon Apr 15, 2019 5:20 pm

Cpv17 wrote:Once again the NE quadrant is where you wanna be. Getting sick of this.

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Just temporary bad luck for you.
Most of the state is doing well
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Re: Texas Spring 2019

#731 Postby Cpv17 » Mon Apr 15, 2019 6:35 pm

This pleases me :lol:

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Re: Texas Spring 2019

#732 Postby bubba hotep » Mon Apr 15, 2019 8:37 pm

Probably one of the wettest runs of the Euro Weeklies I have ever seen for Texas.
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Re: Texas Spring 2019

#733 Postby bubba hotep » Tue Apr 16, 2019 7:59 am

SPC holds steady with not much change in the overnight models. I wouldn't be surprised to see an upgrade to MOD for huge hail. The open warm sector across DFW away from the dryline will also have a tornado risk before being overtaken by the line of storms moving in from the West. Hopefully, storm interactions and rapid upscale growth keeps the huge hail out of DFW proper.

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Re: Texas Spring 2019

#734 Postby cheezyWXguy » Tue Apr 16, 2019 8:36 am

bubba hotep wrote:SPC holds steady with not much change in the overnight models. I wouldn't be surprised to see an upgrade to MOD for huge hail. The open warm sector across DFW away from the dryline will also have a tornado risk before being overtaken by the line of storms moving in from the West. Hopefully, storm interactions and rapid upscale growth keeps the huge hail out of DFW proper.

https://www.spc.noaa.gov/public/state/images/TX_swody2.png


One thing that’s a little concerning is that there are likely to be random surface boundaries in the open warm sector, that even the CAMs may not yet be able to resolve. This could have an impact on developing more storms ahead of the dryline than models currently show, and/or locally enhancing tornado potential
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Re: Texas Spring 2019

#735 Postby bubba hotep » Tue Apr 16, 2019 12:39 pm

cheezyWXguy wrote:
bubba hotep wrote:SPC holds steady with not much change in the overnight models. I wouldn't be surprised to see an upgrade to MOD for huge hail. The open warm sector across DFW away from the dryline will also have a tornado risk before being overtaken by the line of storms moving in from the West. Hopefully, storm interactions and rapid upscale growth keeps the huge hail out of DFW proper.

https://www.spc.noaa.gov/public/state/images/TX_swody2.png


One thing that’s a little concerning is that there are likely to be random surface boundaries in the open warm sector, that even the CAMs may not yet be able to resolve. This could have an impact on developing more storms ahead of the dryline than models currently show, and/or locally enhancing tornado potential


Both the TX Tech WRF-ENKF and SPC HREF ensembles are highlighting the risk of supercells firing along I35 well ahead of the dryline convection. Moisture return and any localized boundaries will play a role in any conditional tornado threat for DFW tomorrow afternoon.
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Re: Texas Spring 2019

#736 Postby WacoWx » Tue Apr 16, 2019 12:53 pm

What is the timing between the two separate events if you had to guess? How much time is needed after the discreet cells form along I-35 would we need for the atmosphere to re-energize before the dry line arrives, or is this not one of those particular situations where more energy is needed.
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Re: Texas Spring 2019

#737 Postby bubba hotep » Tue Apr 16, 2019 1:14 pm

WacoWx wrote:What is the timing between the two separate events if you had to guess? How much time is needed after the discreet cells form along I-35 would we need for the atmosphere to re-energize before the dry line arrives, or is this not one of those particular situations where more energy is needed.


There'll be a cap in place tomorrow morning and any convection along I35 will be dependent on when the cap breaks. That is always a bit of a wild guess as to when the cap breaks. The model consensus points towards only a few random cells firing early and that shouldn't disrupt things too much. There will be plenty of energy for cells coming off the dryline, esp since they'll fire farther west. So theoretically, so portions of DFW could see multiple rounds of svr wx tomorrow.
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Re: Texas Spring 2019

#738 Postby bubba hotep » Tue Apr 16, 2019 1:55 pm

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Re: Texas Spring 2019

#739 Postby Haris » Tue Apr 16, 2019 2:31 pm

Euro and eps 12z have 1.5” - 2” of rain
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Re: Texas Spring 2019

#740 Postby fendie » Tue Apr 16, 2019 3:23 pm

Over 3000 J/kg Most Unstable CAPE forecast throughout most of the SPC’s Ehnanced Risk area tomorrow. Looking likely that someone in North Central and possibly Central Texas sees some large hail tomorrrow evening. Further east looks to be more of a wind threat. Will be interesting to watch the first storms that fire in the warm sector tomorrow late afternoon/early evening.

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