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Re: Texas Winter 2014-2015

#7381 Postby Shoshana » Mon Mar 02, 2015 1:29 pm

weatherdude1108 wrote:
Portastorm wrote:
wxman57 wrote:
Looks like it's forecasting mostly a sleet and freezing rain event. Up to 10% chance of snow in some areas.


Yes sir, exactly ... and thus my concern about a potentially dangerous event for Austin. 0.10" of freezing rain shut down the city last year for a day. Getting 0.10 to 0.25" would obviously be worse. It appears to me, if I'm reading it right, that Austin would get somewhere between 0.10-0.25" of freezing rain followed by light amounts of sleet.


Oh I'm sure it will just be a cold rain event in the mid-30s with a few ice pellets for a tease. :wink:

If it does ice, it probably won't last long due to the ever-growing sun angle until we approach the Summer Solstice. However, I am not against the idea of having a second "inclement weather" ice late start (or day). We had like four or five last Winter season.
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We've sure had a lot of "33 and rain" this winter. And a lot of model excitement. It's getting difficult to keep up the enthusiasm. I just want some snow goshdarnit! Lol. :cold:
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Re: Texas Winter 2014-2015

#7382 Postby Portastorm » Mon Mar 02, 2015 1:49 pm

:uarrow:

Well at this point, most of the computer models will have to be wrong about the time period as they all pretty much show at least *some* freezing rain in the Austin area. Even the NAM is now coming around to the GFS solutions.
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Re: Texas Winter 2014-2015

#7383 Postby wxman57 » Mon Mar 02, 2015 1:50 pm

Here's a screenshot of my workstation. I plotted ECMWF 24hr snowfall. Note that it seems to have a problem identifying what is snow and what might be just cold rain, freezing rain and sleet down south. Look at that area west of Austin. It seems to be pointing at Portastorm, perhaps to taunt him. Also note that I only plotted amounts of 1/2 inch or greater. If I were to plot the .25" or greater then it shows Austin getting about .3" of snow. Unlikely, given the vertical profile, of course...

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Re: Texas Winter 2014-2015

#7384 Postby Stormcenter » Mon Mar 02, 2015 1:57 pm

Can you please post the screenshot of the .25" or greater snowfall?



wxman57 wrote:Here's a screenshot of my workstation. I plotted ECMWF 24hr snowfall. Note that it seems to have a problem identifying what is snow and what might be just cold rain, freezing rain and sleet down south. Look at that area west of Austin. It seems to be pointing at Portastorm, perhaps to taunt him. Also note that I only plotted amounts of 1/2 inch or greater. If I were to plot the .25" or greater then it shows Austin getting about .3" of snow. Unlikely, given the vertical profile, of course...

http://home.comcast.net/~cgh57/eurosnow.jpg
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#7385 Postby stormlover2013 » Mon Mar 02, 2015 2:05 pm

what is the gfs showing?
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Re: Texas Winter 2014-2015

#7386 Postby dhweather » Mon Mar 02, 2015 2:07 pm

@RyanMaue: Interesting, ECMWF develops tropical storm in western Gulf & heads it north into Louisiana -- 8-10 days http://t.co/3XvyDXmO5l


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CAT 5 IN THE GULF !!! :lol: :lol: :lol:
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Re: Texas Winter 2014-2015

#7387 Postby Stormcenter » Mon Mar 02, 2015 2:14 pm

Ok and why are we concerned about the ECMWF says when it's predicting TS in March? :lol:

dhweather wrote:@RyanMaue: Interesting, ECMWF develops tropical storm in western Gulf & heads it north into Louisiana -- 8-10 days http://t.co/3XvyDXmO5l


http://s5.postimg.org/792e8akcn/2015_03_02_01_06_01_pm.png


CAT 5 IN THE GULF !!! :lol: :lol: :lol:
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Re: Texas Winter 2014-2015

#7388 Postby SouthernMet » Mon Mar 02, 2015 2:15 pm

15z sref running now...

CMC continues to show a dangerous ice storm thursday morning for austin.
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#7389 Postby TheProfessor » Mon Mar 02, 2015 2:19 pm

:uarrow: Maybe when the storm moves inland it interacts with a coldfront it turns into a snowcane for parts of Texas, Louisiana, Oklahoma, and Arkansas. Lol :D :lol:
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#7390 Postby Stormcenter » Mon Mar 02, 2015 2:23 pm

That sounds like a good plot for one of those SyFy Channel movies.


TheProfessor wrote::uarrow: Maybe when the storm moves inland it interacts with a coldfront it turns into a snowcane for parts of Texas, Louisiana, Oklahoma, and Arkansas. Lol :D :lol:
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#7391 Postby brewskymc » Mon Mar 02, 2015 2:28 pm

Stormcenter wrote:That sounds like a good plot for one of those SyFy Channel movies.


TheProfessor wrote::uarrow: Maybe when the storm moves inland it interacts with a coldfront it turns into a snowcane for parts of Texas, Louisiana, Oklahoma, and Arkansas. Lol :D :lol:

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Re: Texas Winter 2014-2015

#7392 Postby Shoshana » Mon Mar 02, 2015 2:41 pm

dhweather wrote:@RyanMaue: Interesting, ECMWF develops tropical storm in western Gulf & heads it north into Louisiana -- 8-10 days http://t.co/3XvyDXmO5l


http://s5.postimg.org/792e8akcn/2015_03_02_01_06_01_pm.png


CAT 5 IN THE GULF !!! :lol: :lol: :lol:


Oddly enough, KEYE here in Austin mentioned a storm in the Gulf.

Happy Monday! <respectfully snipped> By Wednesday our next heavy rain-maker moves in. It'll be another powerful cold front, but this time allowing for some thunderstorms to take place. Wednesday is when the front will swing through bringing 0.10" - 1/4" of rain across the region with isolated 1" spots. The concern is late Wednesday into Thursday morning as temperatures tumble yet again below freezing. We'll keep light moisture on Thursday which means we may get more of that freezing rain and sleet for your commute later this week. After this storm passes we look pretty sunny for the weekend. We'll have a storm in the Gulf of Mexico that we'll need to watch but I think it should stay to our south and east. That means more sunshine for us. Enjoy the week and keep the umbrella handy! Meteorologist Jordan Steele

Read More at: http://www.keyetv.com/weather/#.VPS8LIZOKK1
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#7393 Postby Shoshana » Mon Mar 02, 2015 2:43 pm

brewskymc wrote:
Stormcenter wrote:That sounds like a good plot for one of those SyFy Channel movies.


TheProfessor wrote::uarrow: Maybe when the storm moves inland it interacts with a coldfront it turns into a snowcane for parts of Texas, Louisiana, Oklahoma, and Arkansas. Lol :D :lol:

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I was just thinking that!
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#7394 Postby WeatherNewbie » Mon Mar 02, 2015 2:47 pm

Ntxw wrote:The trend on the models has been too much of a positive tilted trough that isn't phased until further north and east. The Ukmet doesn't show much of an event as a result neither does the cmc and the GFS and Euro have backed away from significant qpf. If it's too positive a trough then it's just a quick hitting line that shuts off after cold air advection. Southern stream vorticity needs to come out before the northern stream comes in. Hopefully short range guidance can provide more insight.


I feel like positive tilt screwed us a couple times earlier this winter when QPF amounts did not meet people's expectations.
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#7395 Postby dhweather » Mon Mar 02, 2015 2:48 pm

Most of Arkansas and Western Tennessee under a Winter Storm Watch now from Noon on Wednesday until 6AM Thursday.
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Re: Texas Winter 2014-2015

#7396 Postby downsouthman1 » Mon Mar 02, 2015 2:51 pm

Stormcenter wrote:Ok and why are we concerned about the ECMWF says when it's predicting TS in March? :lol:


Not because of a TS in the Gulf in March, as that's not gonna happen. But I presume because any kind of a storm with that kind of strength could have serious implications on the area on the NW side of the storm with cold air in place.
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#7397 Postby dhweather » Mon Mar 02, 2015 2:54 pm

From: National Weather Service, Fort Worth
Date: Monday, 2 March 2015 13:33 CST

Good afternoon everyone,

Unfortunately, another winter precipitation event will be impacting most of North and Central Texas Wednesday through Thursday morning. Right now, sleet appears to be the main precipitation type, though some freezing rain and/or light snow may enter the picture in a few spots. While we're increasingly confident that some frozen precipitation - and travel impacts - will occur across our area, we're only moderately confident about amounts and expected road conditions. This is due the fact that there will be a race underway between the arrival of the true arctic, sub-freezing air, and the cutoff line for precipitation that'll be ongoing from N to S across the area Wednesday night. Timing will be critical with this upcoming event.

BOTTOM LINE: Most of North and Central Texas will experience frozen precipitation (mainly sleet) Wednesday afternoon/Wednesday night, with some of it lingering in Central Texas Thursday morning. Across North Texas, we don't believe we'll be facing as many impacts as we experienced with Friday's event. Nevertheless, some sleet will accumulate with temperatures in the upper 20s, and that'll likely produce slick conditions on elevated surfaces - and some roads - by late afternoon/evening Wednesday. Right now, we don't expect any significant power outages from DFW northward.

We have somewhat more confidence that Central Texas (especially along and S of a Lampasas to Waco to Athen line) may experience impacts due to higher amounts of moisture and lift. In these areas, a greater proportion of the winter precipitation may take the form of freezing rain, in addition to sleet. We thus have more confidence that slick conditions - and possibly some ice accumulations on power lines - will develop in these areas by Wednesday evening/night. Some of these areas in Central Texas may experience their most significant winter weather events of the season.

A significant amount of uncertainty still exists with this forecast. However, all of our emergency management, media, public safety and transportation partners should be watching this system closely, and considering preparations for another round of travel impacts during the Wednesday and Thursday timeframe.

TIMING: A transition from rain to sleet will occur in our northernmost counties between Noon and 3 pm, with slick roads/bridges likely from early afternoon onward. In the greater DFW area and I-20 corridor, the rain to sleet transition will take place between 2 pm and 4 pm, with some slick conditions possibly developing (at least on bridges) by late afternoon. South of a Lampasas-Waco-Athens line, the transition from rain to freezing rain and sleet should take place between 5 pm and 8 pm, with sleet continuing intermittently all night. Slick conditions in these areas should gradually develop and worsen after 6 pm, through the night.

AMOUNTS: Our estimates right now include up to 1/4" of sleet from I-20 northward (including DFW), with anywhere from 1/2 to 1" of sleet possible south of I-20. Some accumulations of freezing rain will also occur. These amounts are subject to change.

CONFIDENCE/ALTERNATE SCENARIOS: Our overall confidence in this forecast is moderate. Our main concerns are: a) the timing of the sub-freezing air (and <30 deg air) into the different parts of our area, and b) how much precipitation will continue to fall in these areas once the cold air is in place. The forecast should start to come into better focus by tomorrow afternoon, and certainly Wednesday morning, once the cold air nears Texas.

One alternative scenario would have the colder air arrive faster and deeper than previously forecast, with just as much - or more moisture. If this happens, sleet and snow amounts will correspondingly increase, and travel conditions will deteriorate significantly across all of N and C Texas. Another scenario would maintain the current timing on the arrival of the cold air, but decrease the amount of precipitation that we experience. Impacts would thus be diminished from what is forecast. Right now, both scenarios are unlikely. However, our partners should be prepared for the first alternative, which could conceivably result in greater icing impacts across N/C Texas.

We'll obviously be assessing all available data over the next 2 days, and refining the forecast accordingly. We'll issue another heads up e-mail on Tuesday. In the meantime, please don't hesitate to contact us if you have any immediate needs or questions.

Thanks,

Tom Bradshaw/Mark Fox
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Re: Texas Winter 2014-2015

#7398 Postby Portastorm » Mon Mar 02, 2015 2:56 pm

:uarrow:

It's unfortunate that my local NWS office doesn't have the foresight to be proactive like NWS Fort Worth is on a regular basis. Given the potential of the storm down here, you'd think the public would be alerted to the threat ... but ... no, apparently that's asking too much. :roll:
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#7399 Postby downsouthman1 » Mon Mar 02, 2015 2:58 pm

dhweather wrote:From: National Weather Service, Fort Worth
Date: Monday, 2 March 2015 13:33 CST



Tom Bradshaw/Mark Fox

Where did that come from?
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Re: Texas Winter 2014-2015

#7400 Postby SouthernMet » Mon Mar 02, 2015 2:59 pm

possibly some ice accumulations on power lines - will develop in these areas by Wednesday evening/night. Some of these areas in Central Texas may experience their most significant winter weather events of the season.


Exactly what I'm thinking.
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