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Re: ATL: Tropical Storm Fay South of Cuba

#7541 Postby Normandy » Mon Aug 18, 2008 1:07 am

I really do hope that isn't the center, because if it is the NHC is going to look really bad, and its not really fair to them.
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Re: ATL: Tropical Storm Fay South of Cuba

#7542 Postby lbvbl » Mon Aug 18, 2008 1:07 am

Ground_Zero_92 wrote:
lbvbl wrote:
AJC3 wrote:This time lapse pretty much speaks for itself. The vortex passes right over the radar site, which at most is about the height of Pico San Juan + maybe 100 feet for the tower...so it's looking at 3000-3500 feet up at most.

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is it just me, or does it appear that it has REALLY sped up?


No it's not just you. Lets see what the 2am advisory says. But it looks like Fay woke the heck up and is running to the Florida Straits.


Yeah this is getting so interesting.. what direction do you guys thing this is going now? NNW? N?
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Re: ATL: Tropical Storm Fay South of Cuba

#7543 Postby WxGuy1 » Mon Aug 18, 2008 1:08 am

AdamFirst wrote:
lbvbl wrote:is it just me, or does it appear that it has REALLY sped up?


Nope. Once the convection found the circulation it was pedal to the metal.


Be a little cautious because there are many frames missing between 10:30 pm and ~1:15 am. It seems to have sped up regardless, but the "skippiness" that occurs after 10:30 pm is caused by an incomplete loop; the interval between frames changes. So, it hasn't accelerated quite as much as a first glance at that loop would indicate.

Anyone know what wavelength the Cuba radars operate at? S-band or C-band? I assume S-band, but it may be C-band. If it's C-band, be very aware that severe attenuation will be present in the data. Heck, even if the Cuban radars are S-band, there will be some attenuation given the very high precip rates likely.

/ Always be aware of the time stamps on images (especially if the interval between frames changes rapidly)
// Same goes for axes on graphs! :)
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#7544 Postby AJC3 » Mon Aug 18, 2008 1:09 am

CourierPR wrote: Is rapid deepening possible?


Has to get to the straits first. We'll see what kind of shape it's in early tomorrow morning.
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#7545 Postby Extremeweatherguy » Mon Aug 18, 2008 1:09 am

lbvbl wrote:Yeah this is getting so interesting.. what direction do you guys thing this is going now? NNW? N?


Looks to be moving NW or NNW to me.
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#7546 Postby Ground_Zero_92 » Mon Aug 18, 2008 1:09 am

Extremeweatherguy wrote:Looks to be moving NNW to me.


Agreed.
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#7547 Postby HURAKAN » Mon Aug 18, 2008 1:09 am

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Re: ATL: Tropical Storm Fay South of Cuba

#7548 Postby AdamFirst » Mon Aug 18, 2008 1:10 am

WxGuy1 wrote:
Be a little cautious because there are many frames missing between 10:30 pm and ~1:15 am. It seems to have sped up regardless, but the "skippiness" that occurs after 10:30 pm is caused by an incomplete loop; the interval between frames changes. So, it hasn't accelerated quite as much as a first glance at that loop would indicate.

/ Always be aware of the time stamps on images (especially if the interval between frames changes rapidly)
// Same goes for axes on graphs! :)


I know that.

The Key West long range supports the acceleration.
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#7549 Postby hiflyer » Mon Aug 18, 2008 1:10 am

Sure hope the local tv stations down here don't pick up on this cuz I really enjoy those infomercials...
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Re: ATL: Tropical Storm Fay South of Cuba

#7550 Postby sunnyday » Mon Aug 18, 2008 1:10 am

What millions of people may be surprised by this? One more question--when you say South Florida, exactly what do you mean--how far south and on which coast? Thank you..
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Re: ATL: Tropical Storm Fay South of Cuba

#7551 Postby AJC3 » Mon Aug 18, 2008 1:11 am

WxGuy1 wrote:
AdamFirst wrote:
lbvbl wrote:is it just me, or does it appear that it has REALLY sped up?


Nope. Once the convection found the circulation it was pedal to the metal.


Be a little cautious because there are many frames missing between 10:30 pm and ~1:15 am. It seems to have sped up regardless, but the "skippiness" that occurs after 10:30 pm is caused by an incomplete loop; the interval between frames changes. So, it hasn't accelerated quite as much as a first glance at that loop would indicate.

/ Always be aware of the time stamps on images (especially if the interval between frames changes rapidly)
// Same goes for axes on graphs! :)


D'oh! Yeah, I definitely should have mentioned that! The radar has updating erratically since about that time. Was more intent on showing the direction of movement rather than speed of forward motion...and indeed it gives the erroneous appearance of having sped up.

Thanks for pointing that out!
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Florida Closings - Schools, businesses etc.

#7552 Postby CajunMama » Mon Aug 18, 2008 1:11 am

There's been talk about closings in the main fay thread that are getting buried. Let's put all the closings here so they don't get lost.
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Re: ATL: Tropical Storm Fay South of Cuba

#7553 Postby Clipper96 » Mon Aug 18, 2008 1:11 am

BigA wrote:
Clipper96 wrote:Seeing reds in the central cells again on Key West long-range. Fay is actually re-intensifying while over land.
Those colors may be due to Fay getting closer to the radar site, Key west.
Generally speaking this is true; however the convection we're discussing hasn't moved thatfar, and more intense returns were seen father away earlier.

My impression is that the mountain of Pico San Juan briefly disrupted the circulation, and that that disruption is now over. From here on, it's flat as a cookie-sheet to the coast.
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Re: ATL: Tropical Storm Fay South of Cuba

#7554 Postby Ground_Zero_92 » Mon Aug 18, 2008 1:11 am

2am advisory is late. I wonder if they are as shocked as we are?
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Re: ATL: Tropical Storm Fay South of Cuba

#7555 Postby lbvbl » Mon Aug 18, 2008 1:11 am

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is it just me, or does it appear that it has REALLY sped up?[/quote]

No it's not just you. Lets see what the 2am advisory says. But it looks like Fay woke the heck up and is running to the Florida Straits.[/quote]

Yeah this is getting so interesting.. what direction do you guys thing this is going now? NNW? N?[/quote]

oh okay, that makes a lot of sense. Why does it skip like that, though?
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Re: Florida Closings - Schools, businesses etc.

#7556 Postby AdamFirst » Mon Aug 18, 2008 1:12 am

In terms of public schools, I only know Miami-Dade, Monroe and Broward are closed.
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Re: ATL: Tropical Storm Fay South of Cuba

#7557 Postby DESTRUCTION5 » Mon Aug 18, 2008 1:12 am

Ground_Zero_92 wrote:2am advisory is late. I wonder if they are as shocked as we are?



one word...RECON
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Re: ATL: Tropical Storm Fay South of Cuba

#7558 Postby Extremeweatherguy » Mon Aug 18, 2008 1:12 am

sunnyday wrote:What millions of people may be surprised by this? One more question--when you say South Florida, exactly what do you mean--how far south and on which coast? Thank you..
If the current direction continued, then it would be either the southern tip of Florida or extreme SW Florida. However, small changes in direction could be huge from this point forward, so stay tuned.
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Re: ATL: Tropical Storm Fay South of Cuba

#7559 Postby TexasSam » Mon Aug 18, 2008 1:12 am

a fewframes from the cuba radar are missing, so it seems to jump from time to time. but still way off track. going to be a bunch of wet & shocked people this morning...
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#7560 Postby CajunMama » Mon Aug 18, 2008 1:13 am

Y'all been discussing school closings and i'm sure there will be other closings. Those posts are going to get buried in here so let's put them in

Florida Closures - Schools, Businesses etc.
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