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Re: ATL: IAN - Tropical Storm - Discussion

#841 Postby Nimbus » Sat Sep 24, 2022 5:03 am

REDHurricane wrote:New MLC forming? It looks like a shock wave is emanating out of that convection burst right at 15ºN, most likely the beginning of the predicted intensification period I'd have to think

https://media.giphy.com/media/Z6jK5KCgkcCOGzsRPk/giphy.gif


I mentioned the lightning at 14.9 N last night.
Recon is making a run west at 14.93 N now I think they found a 1002 vortex in there earlier?
I also forecast the Euro to shift W over Tampa Bay as a major and it looks like 968 for the 00Z.

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06Z GFS has 1030 MB high centered over WPMA shifted MH track west of -85 from 00Zi.

No surprises South Florida was under the track forecast yesterday morning and we learned about the benefits of the new inverter technology. I'm jealous, won't run on the l;ate season 78 octane gasoline though like my old L head. I think Gums is on to something there with the propane conversion kit.
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Re: ATL: IAN - Tropical Storm - Discussion

#842 Postby St0rmTh0r » Sat Sep 24, 2022 5:04 am

seen plenty of storms blow up into monsters in this part of the world in just 12 hours. I'd be preparing for the worst. better safe than sorry.
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Re: ATL: IAN - Tropical Storm - Discussion

#843 Postby cane5 » Sat Sep 24, 2022 5:13 am

At this point South Florida cannot be ruled out. If that trough digs down deeper it could bring the storm right near there it’s absolutely too soon to know especially if it slows down.
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Re: ATL: IAN - Tropical Storm - Discussion

#844 Postby Iceresistance » Sat Sep 24, 2022 5:13 am

Extrapolated pressure is already lower than the NHC estimates, I don't like this trend at all.
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Re: ATL: IAN - Tropical Storm - Discussion

#845 Postby Keldeo1997 » Sat Sep 24, 2022 5:13 am

Iceresistance wrote:Extrapolated pressure is already lower than the NHC estimates, I don't like this trend at all.


And there's no center to be found
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Re: ATL: IAN - Tropical Storm - Discussion

#846 Postby Iceresistance » Sat Sep 24, 2022 5:16 am

Keldeo1997 wrote:
Iceresistance wrote:Extrapolated pressure is already lower than the NHC estimates, I don't like this trend at all.


And there's no center to be found


I don't think it's been located yet or they got there.
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Re: ATL: IAN - Tropical Storm - Discussion

#847 Postby Keldeo1997 » Sat Sep 24, 2022 5:20 am

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Well boy's I think we got stacked system now :double: :double: :double:
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Re: ATL: IAN - Tropical Storm - Discussion

#848 Postby Iceresistance » Sat Sep 24, 2022 5:20 am

This is worryingly problematic, Ian likely has an absolutely tiny core and recon can't find it. :eek:
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Re: ATL: IAN - Tropical Storm - Discussion

#849 Postby Nimbus » Sat Sep 24, 2022 5:26 am

Iceresistance wrote:
Keldeo1997 wrote:
Iceresistance wrote:Extrapolated pressure is already lower than the NHC estimates, I don't like this trend at all.


And there's no center to be found


I don't think it's been located yet or they got there.


The models might have to initialize with a mid level center near 14.5 N,-75.5 W?
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Re: ATL: IAN - Tropical Storm - Discussion

#850 Postby Iceresistance » Sat Sep 24, 2022 5:31 am

Nimbus wrote:
Iceresistance wrote:
Keldeo1997 wrote:
And there's no center to be found


I don't think it's been located yet or they got there.


The models might have to initialize with a mid level center near 14.5 N,-75.5 W?


Recon is really trying to find it, I strongly doubt it dissipated because the convection is getting more organized.
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Re: ATL: IAN - Tropical Storm - Discussion

#851 Postby Iceresistance » Sat Sep 24, 2022 5:33 am

The only thing I can say is 'Uh oh'. :eek: :eek:

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Re: ATL: IAN - Tropical Storm - Discussion

#852 Postby cane5 » Sat Sep 24, 2022 5:44 am

For the most part September storms emanate off Africa and fights through Dominica and Haiti and finds a window in the high pressure ridge that weakens and finds itself in the Carolinas. That happens in combo with a crossing trough. Or it stays South and charges up the gulf stream and hits Key West the rarity is Andrew where the high did not weaken. I am less confident that those metrics apply to a late storm in the Caribbean with any clear historic trends. How troughs work in the Caribbean has less predictable historic values aka Wilma that was influenced strongly with cold low front and or trough.
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Re: ATL: IAN - Tropical Storm - Discussion

#853 Postby Chemmers » Sat Sep 24, 2022 5:44 am

Looks like it is expanding quick in all four quadrants
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Re: ATL: IAN - Tropical Storm - Discussion

#854 Postby Iceresistance » Sat Sep 24, 2022 5:46 am

Recon has still yet to find the CoC, I'm getting nervous.
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Re: ATL: IAN - Tropical Storm - Discussion

#855 Postby cycloneye » Sat Sep 24, 2022 5:50 am

Looks like they are going to fix the center from the southwest.
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Re: ATL: IAN - Tropical Storm - Discussion

#856 Postby jlauderdal » Sat Sep 24, 2022 5:50 am

Iceresistance wrote:Recon has still yet to find the CoC, I'm getting nervous.

Why all the nervousness? The system is going through structural changes as expected in this time frame, they will find a center if one exists, if it doesn't then the system has become decoupled, and the forecast will be adjusted accordingly.
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Re: ATL: IAN - Tropical Storm - Discussion

#857 Postby Keldeo1997 » Sat Sep 24, 2022 5:50 am

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found it I think
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Re: ATL: IAN - Tropical Storm - Discussion

#858 Postby ObsessedMiami » Sat Sep 24, 2022 5:52 am

cane5 wrote:At this point South Florida cannot be ruled out. If that trough digs down deeper it could bring the storm right near there it’s absolutely too soon to know especially if it slows down.

Who is ruling out South Florida?
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Re: ATL: IAN - Tropical Storm - Discussion

#859 Postby Ivanhater » Sat Sep 24, 2022 5:53 am

If the center is indeed down around 13.3 N, that is very far south
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Re: ATL: IAN - Tropical Storm - Discussion

#860 Postby Iceresistance » Sat Sep 24, 2022 5:53 am

jlauderdal wrote:
Iceresistance wrote:Recon has still yet to find the CoC, I'm getting nervous.

Why all the nervousness? The system is going through structural changes as expected in this time frame, they will find a center if one exists, if it doesn't then the system has become decoupled, and the forecast will be adjusted accordingly.


They may have found the center, I feel better now. (Sorry of the nervousness, I got ahead of myself :oops: )

But they have yet to sample the center of all the convection, which could mean that this center is dying off if there is a CoC in there.
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